Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:00:18 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #360 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: I'm uneducated (sidtkd@aol.com) 2. confused (SAMMYSADAN@aol.com) 3. Re: My last try (tkdsid@aol.com) 4. Re: temporary black belt (tkdsid@aol.com) 5. RE: confused (Thomas Gordon) 6. Re: Temporary Black Belt (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:17:12 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: I'm uneducated Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tom and others: I'm afraid I'm terribly dumb. I just can't remember anyone from a professional board being indicted arrested etc.\ Please teach me??? Sid --__--__-- Message: 2 From: SAMMYSADAN@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:35:13 EDT To: THE_DOJANG@MARTIALARTSRESOURCE.NET Subject: [The_Dojang] confused Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tom Gordon etc. I don't want to start a controversy here, but I've read all comments on the Board issue. Mr. Sid never said anything about members of a board not being corrupted. He brought all the issues out many times and I think some of you are trying to put this guy through the wringer by misquoting him and generally negative comments. I've run a dojang now for 23 years and sometimes with just enough money to pay rent and food. I'm not looking for another expense, but I'd rather close down than allow the situation as is to hurt kids, rip off adults and make unsafe conditions. There's nothing Mr. (or master?( Sid has said that we shouldn't support. Sam --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:46:32 -0400 From: tkdsid@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: My last try Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think its best to put it this way. Regulations of any sort have the intent of stopping bad behavior. Laws don't guarantee good behavior. They provide a means to limit, correct or punish a rule breaker. Forwarding a google search on how kids are abused by teachers is equivalent to showing information on predator priests. The law is a means of punishing and firing teachers. I would like to see way where Hackworthless would be prevented from practicing martial arts in Florida. We've had corrupt presidents, pope's, parents and extremely rarely (LOL) corrupt martial arts. Our society demands ways to stop, abridge and correct wrong doing. No...it can't be completely prevented. But if that's your arguement...disband all police forces in the US because we still have crime. Sincerely, Sid ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:53:09 -0400 From: tkdsid@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: temporary black belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is a new one for me. I don't think schools do that for another fee. I think its done because many people leave when they get their 1st dan. This slows them down and keeps them. Other than that...doesn't appear to make much sense. Sincerely, Sid ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] confused Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:16:18 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Welcome to the list Mr. Sam. I noticed your new to the list. My point was and still is, if someone is a conman, there are ways of correcting. One is to sue them. Which, as I understand it, Mr. Rubinfeld did and was successful. Another way is to do a website or page about the person. One example is http://www.ohiotkd.net/taekwondoreporter/page5.htm#Jack%20Stern%20-%20Th e%20Great%20Pretender There's another guy supposedly faking some military rank and martial art ranking which can be read about at: http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5051924461/m/4920040080001 Grandmaster Lim has one (as posted by Master Terry) http://jlim.net, then go to Gallery -> Fake Certificates. If someone is really a fraud, expose them for such. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Temporary Black Belt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have seen some schools do this and other that don't. Agreed. I've heard it called Cho Dan (before Il Dan), Probationary black belt, Deputy black belt, Provisional black belt, Temporary black belt. In one case an instructor I knew made the student take/pass two tests within a six month period. If you passed the first, but failed the second you then had to start the six month period over again and retake the first test. (You did not have to pay again, as I recall.) But many go straight from 1st gup to 1st dan, Il Dan. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest