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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sigh, Smart Sparring (michael tomlinson) 2. RE: monk taking punches (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 3. What does CHO mean (i.e. Cho Dan)? (Lasich, Mark D.) 4. Cho Dan (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 5. Rebels and Freedom (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 6. Governing bodies and certifications. (erikbrann@adelphia.net) 7. BIG CROCK of (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) 8. RE: almost chodan (J R Hilland) 9. RE: RE: almost chodan (michael tomlinson) 10. First Dan in Hapkido (michael tomlinson) 11. [RE]Re: [The_Dojang] Sigh, Smart Sparring (A) 12. RE: What does CHO mean (i.e. Cho Dan)? (Rick Clark) 13. Cho (Ray) 14. Offline please (Ray) 15. RE: [RE]Re: [The_Dojang] Sigh, Smart Sparring (Bathauer, Alia) 16. Fw: Korean Karates (Steven Berkowitz) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sigh, Smart Sparring Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:27:40 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a buddy who practiced Hapkido with me for quite a while named Kris Allen who is the tiger trainer and performer for the Clyde Beaty Cole Brothers circus...he trains and lives with 24 tigers...the biggest one is a siberian white tiger that weighs 685 pounds...almost everytime he came over to my house he would have bandages on his calf or forearms from playing with his tigers...they are awesome animals...but I don't think you want to make these things really angry at you...it's funny to hear a good ole Univ. of Georgia boy talk about majoring in Biology and ending up living with 24 tigers...very cool stories... Michael Tomlinson >From: Jye nigma >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sigh, Smart Sparring >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 18:56:16 -0700 (PDT) > >sure. Focus on speed and reflexes, as well as footwork. I used to workout >with a speed bag, but what I really felt got me my speed was playing with >cats. doing stuff like rubbing their bellies (which they hate) and when >they go to scratch at me, I'd have to move my hand out of the way. around >the time I was a kid and had first started this, I got my hands torn up! >they were so fast you'd hear your flesh rip before you even felt pain or >saw blood. But like doing this even now, because cats are explosive with >their speed, have pinpoint accuracy, and while emotionless for the time >being they can explode from out of no where. But other then that, speed >bags, and focusing on doing techniques/drills quickly. as far as footwork, >I work on linear movements, angles and arcs. > > Jye > > >Amcreva Drogovah wrote: > Yes, I don't think anyone here says the basics are not the key here. If >your training like me (3-5) times a week the basics are already being >trained. I was just wondering if people had any moves or training ideas >that may help, to be honest, a rather timid fighter. > >--------------------------------- >Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small >Business. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:50:21 -0400 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: monk taking punches Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Joe Cheavens wrote: >Who, besides the CCP leadership, ever said the Chinese were Communists? Sorry, I may still be thinking of the Maoist period. I'm sure China is changing -- I just don't the specifics. But everything I've heard about the Shaolin temple is that it is just a tourist trap. Some of the temples in Kyoto were similar but sold Zen instead of kung-fu. The Shaolin Temple monks though, in every video I've seen of them, are doing wushu not kung-fu. It is for sport and demonstration, not for fighting, though I'm sure they are in great shape. >Any thoughts on this? http://eng.templestay.com/temple/vie...ent_code=C1C12 Nice web page! I forwarded it on to one of my buddies who loves the temples. Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:19:30 -0400 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang \(Dojang\)" Subject: [The_Dojang] What does CHO mean (i.e. Cho Dan)? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In this discussion of temporary black belts, the comment was made that seemed to imply that Cho-Dan was temporary black belt, while Il-Dan was a true first degree. So the question: What does Cho mean? Whatever the answer to that, can someone explain why the numbering of the Pyong Ahn forms starts with Cho Dan and not Il Dan??? Pyong Ahn Cho Dan Pyong Ahn Ee Dan Pyong Ahn Sam Dan Pyong Ahn Sa Dan Pyong Ahn Oh Dan If my memory serves me, I heard these forms were originally Japanese black belt forms, and adopted by the Koreans as gup forms? Was there a Pyong Ahn Cho Dan AND a Pyong Ahn Il Dan? If so, what became of Il Dan? The first Chil-Sun and Kicho forms all Il forms, but Pyong Ahn starts with Cho? Appreciate if anyone could shed some light on this. In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:27:35 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Cho Dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, I am sure you know this, but just to clarify: Tang Soo Do, (Moo Duk Kwan origin) uniformly uses "Cho Dan", which literally means "Beginning Dan" for first dan. Many organizations including mine have a "Black Belt Candidate" which is referred to as "Cho Dan Bo", with bo roughly equivalent to candidate. Danny <<>>>> --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:06:14 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Rebels and Freedom Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Berkowitz, I do consider myself a Rebel of sorts, however, I found your post insinuating that anyone not willing to support a new and unnecessary governing body was a crook to be insulting. I will remind you sir of a statement often attributed to Benjamin Franklin, and used as the motto in his, " An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania." (1759): Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. As I have said before, I do not see a governing body or professional licensing board to be a solution for anything. There are just as many examples of the failures of these types of oversight boards to effectively remove dishonest people as there are of examples of dishonest people in the martial arts. Danny Dunn <<<<<<< It is always those who see value in governance that are willing to submit to governance. So, what do we call those that are UNwilling? Rebels. As I've watched the last 48 years go by, I have come to realize, from all the third-world countries' events, that rebels are always willing to be paid off to behave themselves. Of course, they never do actually behave; they just become sneakier about the wrongdoing they are doing........ Of course, that would never be the case in the arts! After all, everybody in the arts is honest and forthright..OOOPPPSSSSS! That IS where this all began, isn't it?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 9:33:38 -0700 From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Governing bodies and certifications. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reading the thread regarding certifications and governing bodies makes me feel in line with my former teacher. He didn't subscribe to any group. He didn't make us join an organization. He also taught us what he knew and in his authority given him by his teacher, promoted students to black belt. Now his subordinate black belts are taking over for him, and they are so busy squabbling over nuances of technique, that they are disunified and on the verge of disintegration. It was part of why I quit the school. Now, I am in Nashua, New Hampshire, and of the five schools, each has its own governing body. One is "Tokyo Joe"'s lineage, one is through Nick Cerio (both kenpo), one is a WTF/ITF instructor, and one is Tae Kwon Do, but uses his own hyung. Supposedly there's a Moo Duk Kwan teacher around here, but he must have moved his school. The nearest USSBDMDK school is in Massachusetts, abotu an hour away from my home, 18 miles from my workplace. Not one of these schools would formally recognize my 4th gup status, since I don't subscribe to any organization which has reasonable standards. The closest to my style would be the USSBDMDK school, I think. I have contacted Sabumnim Harwood, but have yet to recieve a reply. All in all, what I think is this. As far as organizations are concerned, you can only gather together like minded individuals who agree to a given set of terms. If someone disagrees, they can form their own school. It's been this way for a very long time. Look at the division of Moo Duk Kwan. I count 4 different substyles, and at least three organizations, only one of which is the "official" federation. As far as regulating rank, again, it's only valid as long as one agrees to it. The only thing you can do is, when confronted with one of those poor souls who has been duped by a bad teacher/certifier, point out the invalidity of the certificate and offer to train them properly. Have you noticed that as cheesed off you folks are about certain people, they don't pay any attention to you? --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:34:10 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] BIG CROCK of Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> than automatic black belts for everyone. In Staten Island,NY I know of a >> 10 year old kid that is a 3rd dan. Now I ask you....is that the biggest >> crock of ---- you've ever heard of?? > > Wasn't it that crazy Taekwondo/Hapkido guy in Nashville that claims he > was a 3rd Dan by the time he was 8 years old... > > Yep, a big crock'o-cr*p. > BIG CROCK IS RIGHT The belt system has ALWAYS been a “BIG CROCK of" judgment. If you do not agree, than just research the history of MA. Look for the answer to why so many founders of MA systems have undocumented backgrounds in MA. Where did they get their black belts (BB)? Who had the right to award all these “ master and grand master” racks? How is it that the early masters only studied MA for a few years (a few years here and a few years there) and then because grand masters in their 30’s or younger? Was this all a "big crock'o-cr*p"? How do out of shape people and people older than 30’s get black belts? How is it that BB’s in their 50’s, who can not beat good BB in their 20”s and 30” s, deserve Grand Master titles? It is all about judgment. The BB, master and grand master is a reward and recognition for dedication, hard work, significant improvement in skills by the individual, loyalty and other things important to the one making the judgment. Yes, it is one BIG CROCK of judgment and no two BB are alike. If you do no wish to award BB to children, than do not. If you do not wish to award BB to old people, than do not etc... If it is your school do what you want, but remember every decision has a cost and a benefit. In general, I believe MA can have a very good influence on children’s lives and, if that means having a reward and recognition programs that includes BB’s, 1st dan/poom thru 4th dan/poom, than I am okay with it, as long as, it includes dedication, hard work, significant improvement in skills by the individual, loyalty and learning the same curriculum as the audits. I do have some limits on age. In general, I would not award children under the age of seven with BB and older people, who really do not try hard or who can not perform all the basis techniques well. It is a “BIG CROCK of judgment”. Thanks for reading my views. John --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:01:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: almost chodan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I must admit this 'almost' chodan rank is perplexing. As Michael stated "if you can't decide in 3 to 5 years what is 3 to 6 more months gonna prove?". Are we not taking the gup/dan system to yet another extreme for the sake of something other than mudo? What's next, 20 gup with 4 danbo tests before chodan? Or testing between dan? The thing I have seen about dojang that make a 'big deal' out of making chodan is that once they get it, the students feel they have 'arrived' or 'finished' and often drop out of training once they reach the chodan level. After all, it is commonly called chodan as that implies, literally, that the student is a beginner dan, which is true. When I obtained mine in the 70's, we were told simply that it is now the point that we are taken seriously as students, nothing more. I confess that I categorize it right up there with dojang that have contracts (did I say that out loud?). :) Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: almost chodan Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:23:19 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere, I feel the same way...to each his own but lets see...by the time I have someone ready for black belt I have tested them thru at least 9 gup ranks in Hapkido, have ate, sweated, laughed, and got to know them,,,,Now they are ready for probationary black belt??? It's like Hal Whalen stated earlier about his training in Korea...you work hard for a long long time...when you are ready your instructor takes you to another Hapkido Masters Dojang...they put you thru a ringer of a test that they come up with.....if you pass you payed your 30 dollars and got your belt and id card...sounds a lot like what Hal put me thru over the years!!!! I paid a little more than 30 bucks....but not much more than that....but I paid big time in sweat, workouts, pain, and comraderie....I wouldn't trade or give that training away for no amount of money... Michael Tomlinson >From: "J R Hilland" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: almost chodan >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:01:36 -0500 > >I must admit this 'almost' chodan rank is perplexing. As Michael stated "if >you can't decide in 3 to 5 years what is 3 to 6 more months gonna prove?". >Are we not taking the gup/dan system to yet another extreme for the sake of >something other than mudo? What's next, 20 gup with 4 danbo tests before >chodan? Or testing between dan? > >The thing I have seen about dojang that make a 'big deal' out of making >chodan is that once they get it, the students feel they have 'arrived' or >'finished' and often drop out of training once they reach the chodan level. >After all, it is commonly called chodan as that implies, literally, that >the >student is a beginner dan, which is true. When I obtained mine in the 70's, >we were told simply that it is now the point that we are taken seriously as >students, nothing more. I confess that I categorize it right up there with >dojang that have contracts (did I say that out loud?). :) Jere R. Hilland >www.rrhapkido.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:27:05 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] First Dan in Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To me 1st dan in Hapkido means I can throw, punch, sweep, joint lock, do cane, knife, and dan bong techniques on someone and not have to be overly concerned about them not being able to take the falls, pain, or training,, etc.....nothing more in my book...and after seeing how Master West and Hal Whalen train their black belts I feel I am in good company on my opinions.... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "A" Organization: Lycos. Inc. To: Subject: [RE]Re: [The_Dojang] Sigh, Smart Sparring Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We do women's self defense classes and quite often we will get in ladies who have been abused. We also have a couple of gentleman currently training with us who are in similar situations. From training with them, I've found that the best thing has been to slowly introduce them to sparring and let them realize that they have the ability to defend and protect themself. They have the "right to not be touched if they do not want to be touched". My instructor first taught me that principle. She came from an abuse situation and was a terrified (rather than timid) fighter when she first started the art. A slower introduction to sparring with a partner that can exhibit control with their punches has proven to be the most succesful courage builder for our school. Espescially if you can start with someone who doesn't *look* that intimidating. Offering two cents, Anj Amcreva Drogovah wrote: Yes, I don't think anyone here says the basics are not the key here. If your training like me (3-5) times a week the basics are already being trained. I was just wondering if people had any moves or training ideas that may help, to be honest, a rather timid fighter. --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:56:14 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] What does CHO mean (i.e. Cho Dan)? To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Mark, >In this discussion of temporary black belts, the comment was >made that seemed to imply that Cho-Dan was temporary black >belt, while Il-Dan was a true first degree. In Korean they use Cho, Japanese Sho. Cho and Sho are basically 1st. My understanding is that when you use you use Cho (Ill), E, Sam, Sa, O, Yok, Chil, Pal, Ku, Ship it's like 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th 5th, ect. Then when you use Hanna, Dul, Set, Net, Dasut, Yasut etc. it's like using 1,2, 3, 4, 5 . . . . . I don't speak Korean - just a few phrases for the Dochang and restaurant :-) >So the question: What does Cho mean? > >Whatever the answer to that, can someone explain why the >numbering of the Pyong Ahn forms starts with Cho Dan and not Il Dan??? > Pyong Ahn Cho Dan > Pyong Ahn Ee Dan > Pyong Ahn Sam Dan > Pyong Ahn Sa Dan > Pyong Ahn Oh Dan Because Cho is 1st :-) > >If my memory serves me, I heard these forms were originally >Japanese black belt forms, and adopted by the Koreans as gup >forms? Was there a Pyong Ahn Cho Dan AND a Pyong Ahn Il Dan? >If so, what became of Il Dan? Sort of, they were Okinawan forms developed by Anko Itosu - who taught Gichin Funakoshi. In Okinawa they were Pinan and Japan Heian . . . . They were not "black belt" forms. In Shotokan the folks I know tend to teach lots of forms to the students so that as a 1st dan they would know virtually all of the kata in the system. Il and Cho are both 1st, I don't understand exactly why but Il and Cho are used at different times and different situations. In some of the systems Japanese/Okinawan Karate Pinan/Heian/Pyung-ahn 1 and 2 are reversed. So when you are talking to someone who practices Japanese or Okinawan Karate you sometimes have to clarify which form they are talking about. >The first Chil-Sun and Kicho forms all Il forms, but Pyong Ahn >starts with Cho? Appreciate if anyone could shed some light on this. No idea why Chil-Sun or Kicho may use Il - but the Pyung-ahn/Heian/Pinan use Sho or Cho. Rick Clark --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Cho Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cho implys beginning. It was (is?) in common use in Korea until maybe 20 or so years ago. I'm sure it is still used, but it is often replaced with Il, first. The story goes that Cho Dan implys something less than Il/first Dan, so an Il Dan in a Korean art implys more than a Sho/Cho Dan in a Japanese art. Go figure... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Offline please Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the sometimes interesting thread (for the umpteenth time) on the need (or not) for government regulation in the martial arts. Please take it offline now. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 15 Subject: RE: [RE]Re: [The_Dojang] Sigh, Smart Sparring Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:19:24 -0400 From: "Bathauer, Alia" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As a formally battered woman who has been involved in martial arts for about two years now, and I would like to say you have a very good approach to training abused women. Often we want to gain a some confidence and the ability to protect our selves, but it can be frightening to be confronted by an "attacker" even in a class setting. Being allowed to watch and slowing being integrated into a class allows the student to better understand the steps involved and to know that the "attacker" has control and will not actually harm the student. Or, have two women work together, they probably won't feel as intimidated. I found it helpful to tell the instructors and other students not to grab my neck, or to let me know before hand that was what they intended to do. As I became more comfortable in the class and knew they would not hurt me I let them grab my neck (or try to) without warning. You may find it helpful to let them know they have to right, the power, to say don't do this. -----Original Message----- From: A [mailto:sidona@lycos.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:43 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [RE]Re: [The_Dojang] Sigh, Smart Sparring We do women's self defense classes and quite often we will get in ladies who have been abused. We also have a couple of gentleman currently training with us who are in similar situations. From training with them, I've found that the best thing has been to slowly introduce them to sparring and let them realize that they have the ability to defend and protect themself. They have the "right to not be touched if they do not want to be touched". My instructor first taught me that principle. She came from an abuse situation and was a terrified (rather than timid) fighter when she first started the art. A slower introduction to sparring with a partner that can exhibit control with their punches has proven to be the most succesful courage builder for our school. Espescially if you can start with someone who doesn't *look* that intimidating. Offering two cents, Anj Amcreva Drogovah wrote: Yes, I don't think anyone here says the basics are not the key here. If your training like me (3-5) times a week the basics are already being trained. I was just wondering if people had any moves or training ideas that may help, to be honest, a rather timid fighter. --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Steven Berkowitz" To: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:47:53 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fw: Korean Karates Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Berkowitz To: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: Korean Karates I was looking for background material for a write-up on the various TKDs and TSDs I've been in and out of over the last 35 years; Kong Soo Do, Tang Soo Do MDK(downline of Jae Joon Kim), TKDMD , Billy Blanks TKD, ChungMooKwan, Hapkido, yada, yada, yada (which, in Hebrew means to procreate) and some of the people I had been with(wondering where are they now?the bold print ones) Moon Lee Sik, Sung Woo Kum, Haywood Artis, James Martine, Leo Drabik, Jim Hardy, Hugh Smith, James Benko, Master Yi(NJ), Richard Chun(NYC), ...... if you know where the 6 mentioned in bold are., let me know Page 88 of July 2005 Black Belt mag has article on start of TKD also online find- Kong Soo Do Korean Karate 1995 by Robert W. Young ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- At least one "Korean" martial art makes no efforts to hide its link with Japan. Called "kong soo do," its name is composed of the Korean pronunciation of the Chinese characters for "karate-do." As nearly everyone knows, that name means "empty-hand way." Kong soo do schools hearken back to the days of traditional karate "dojo" in Japan and the United States: polished hardwood floors, mirrors along one wall, a heavy bag and "makiwara" punching and kicking boards in one corner. To complete the image, you will see mostly young men with crew cuts and bright white "dobok" (uniforms) drilling in hard, external, foot-stomping "hyung" (Japanese: kata) and self-defense techniques. Unfortunately, there is little evidence that might link this obviously Japanese martial art with the early hybrid we now call taekwondo, or with what used to be called "tae soo do." Instead of fostering or squashing such rumors, kong soo do instructors freely admit that their art is a recent import from Japan. For further information, look up Ko Chang-hyun in the city of Pusan. He will enthusiastically explain the details of his art while you watch a practice session, but he speaks no English, so call only if you or a friend can speak Korean. You can visit him at the Asia-Pacific Karate Association Korea headquarters. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ksd2.jpg] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ksd3.jpg] --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. 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