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(John Chambers) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: steven riggs Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] from another group: fact vs fiction To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Let's not forget the Sig Sauer P229 in 357 Sig...If it is good enough for the Secret Service to protect the President it is good enough for me. Though that Kimber is a nice piece of equipment. Glock get selected by so many Departments because the guy doing the choosing is a booker or accountant and not a real cop who has to depend on that piece of equipment. Steven Jon Payne wrote: >>Personally I like Glocks better than swords...>> Yuck, drastic plastic. 1911A1 45 ACP man myself. Carry a Kimber Stainless TLE II everyday on duty hooyah! Jon _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Sensei Steven Riggs Senior Instructor American Defensive Arts stevencriggs@yahoo.com www.americandefensivearts.org 828-322-6904 --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] from another group: fact vs fiction Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 04:16:47 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does a 1911 have a safety you have to take off...YES Does a Glock have a safety you have to take off...NO Does a sword have a safety you have to take off...NO and don't get me started on accidental discharges with a glock, AD's with a glock are training issues, not the pistol. nuf said on pistols Just started Jang Gum hyungs a few years ago, so not a lot of history education on them. The Fight Science portion on swords was very interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] from another group: fact vs fiction > Nah, Glocks are over rated. Sure, they were the hottest thing around when > they first came out, but a lot of other handguns are better (e.g. slimmer > profile, fewer or no issues with accidental discharges when dropped, no > overpressure issues in larger calibers). That said, I like swords and > 1911A1s. [IMAGE] > > Joe Cheavens > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "michael tomlinson" > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] from another group: fact vs fiction > Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:33:12 +0000 > Personally I like Glocks better than swords... > Michael Tomlinson > > >From: Jye nigma > >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Subject: [The_Dojang] from another group: fact vs fiction > >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 07:06:47 -0700 (PDT) > > > >check this out, any thoughts? > > > > Jye > > > > > > 1. Nothing defines a Korean sword. Some might argue that > >present-day Korean swords are Japanese-style swords from before the > >Muramachi period. Presently, almost all swords used in KSA are > >curved, two-handed longswords. In Japanese context, they are > >shobu-zukuri and don't have a little opening in the tsuba and saya > >for field knives or chopsticks. Furthermore, Koreans seldom used the > >stereotypical double edged straight swords for the better part of > >the last millenia. > > > >2. Japanese swords are very distinctive, Korean swords are not. It's > >as simple as that. Modern Japanese swords are generally geared > >towards iaido-ka so they are pretty easy to pick out of a line-up. > >However, any sword pre-1570 can arguably be considered either Korean > >or Japanese, because the two countries exchanged to much technology > >with each other. > > > >3. Currently, the most popular "pure-Korean" KSA is Daehan Haedong > >Gumdo. The techniques were quite chaotic until 1962 while Kim > >Jeung-Ho and his uncle systemized the art. Traces of it can be found > >in both the Muye Dobo T'ongji and the Muye Chebo (A.D. 1590). Shim > >Gumdo is the form of swordsmanship started some 30 years ago. The > >founder openly acknowledges it as his own fabrication that he > >created to further his Zen Buddhism as a means to Enlightenment. > >Daehan Kumdo is basically Japanese Kendo with Korean terminology. It > >is Sino-Korean since it was brought of by the Japanese invaders as > >of 1905. > > > >(*Note: It's fairly obvious that Koreans were not masters of the > >sword. They openly admit to it in both Martial Manuals that I > >described above. Nothing is really distinctive about Korean swords, > >other than being swords. The trends for swords were set by both > >China and Japan, and Korea readily adopted them. Therefore, because > >the two-handed curved longsword had it's origins in Japan, I'd > >rather call them Japanese.) > > > > source(s) > > > > > >http://www.crisscross.com/jp/forum/Korean_Swordsmanship/m_463160/tm.htm > > http://www.crisscross.com/jp/forum/m_646701/printable.htm > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things > >done faster. > >_______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] from another group: fact vs fiction Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 06:12:35 -0400 From: "Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree. They'll have to pry my 1911 from my cold dead fingers! My other favorite is a HK USP. Such nice weapons it's hard to keep them concealed! LOL Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Cheavens [mailto:jcheavens@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 5:19 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] from another group: fact vs fiction Nah, Glocks are over rated. Sure, they were the hottest thing around when they first came out, but a lot of other handguns are better (e.g. slimmer profile, fewer or no issues with accidental discharges when dropped, no overpressure issues in larger calibers). That said, I like swords and 1911A1s. [IMAGE] Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "michael tomlinson" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] from another group: fact vs fiction Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:33:12 +0000 Personally I like Glocks better than swords... Michael Tomlinson >From: Jye nigma >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] from another group: fact vs fiction >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 07:06:47 -0700 (PDT) > >check this out, any thoughts? > > Jye > > > 1. Nothing defines a Korean sword. Some might argue that >present-day Korean swords are Japanese-style swords from before the >Muramachi period. Presently, almost all swords used in KSA are >curved, two-handed longswords. In Japanese context, they are >shobu-zukuri and don't have a little opening in the tsuba and saya >for field knives or chopsticks. Furthermore, Koreans seldom used the >stereotypical double edged straight swords for the better part of >the last millenia. > >2. Japanese swords are very distinctive, Korean swords are not. It's >as simple as that. Modern Japanese swords are generally geared >towards iaido-ka so they are pretty easy to pick out of a line-up. >However, any sword pre-1570 can arguably be considered either Korean >or Japanese, because the two countries exchanged to much technology >with each other. > >3. Currently, the most popular "pure-Korean" KSA is Daehan Haedong >Gumdo. The techniques were quite chaotic until 1962 while Kim >Jeung-Ho and his uncle systemized the art. Traces of it can be found >in both the Muye Dobo T'ongji and the Muye Chebo (A.D. 1590). Shim >Gumdo is the form of swordsmanship started some 30 years ago. The >founder openly acknowledges it as his own fabrication that he >created to further his Zen Buddhism as a means to Enlightenment. >Daehan Kumdo is basically Japanese Kendo with Korean terminology. It >is Sino-Korean since it was brought of by the Japanese invaders as >of 1905. > >(*Note: It's fairly obvious that Koreans were not masters of the >sword. They openly admit to it in both Martial Manuals that I >described above. Nothing is really distinctive about Korean swords, >other than being swords. The trends for swords were set by both >China and Japan, and Korea readily adopted them. Therefore, because >the two-handed curved longsword had it's origins in Japan, I'd >rather call them Japanese.) > > source(s) > > >http://www.crisscross.com/jp/forum/Korean_Swordsmanship/m_463160/tm.htm > http://www.crisscross.com/jp/forum/m_646701/printable.htm > > > > >--------------------------------- > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things >done faster. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:22:57 +0900 From: hankido@mac.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean word Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Anyone know what the Korean word for zero or the well, number 0 is? young (?) or kong (?) http://endic.naver.com/endic.nhn?docid=2071620 -- mvg. Klaas Barends http://www.hapkidoforum.com/ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] from another group: fact vs fiction Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:56:03 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net those are good..I have a few...I like the statement by Ken Hackathorn...."if you treat your firearm like your lawn mower, then get a Glock",,, very true... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Jon Payne" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: "The_Dojang" >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] from another group: fact vs fiction >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:53:33 -0500 > >>>Personally I like Glocks better than swords...>> > >Yuck, drastic plastic. 1911A1 45 ACP man myself. Carry a Kimber Stainless >TLE II everyday on duty hooyah! > >Jon >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Johnnie Rouse" To: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:36:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD MooDukKwan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I read the post about Shin Soung Eui being a 9th Dan in the Moo Duk Kwan. The > Moo Duk Kwan Founder Hwang Kee during his leadership of the Moo Duk Kwan only > promoted one member to 9th Dan. (Ray Terry Wrote) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD MooDukKwan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Thank you Ray, There are many folks in the world apparently not knowledgeable > nor experienced enough to understand every thing that was involved with the > split in the MooDukKwan. The folks on both side of this split for the most > part have reconciled their differences on personal level, however still remain > separate organizations. > Most snide comments I see today usually come from younger inexperienced > members that really don't have a clue as to the complicated situation that > lead to the split in the first place. Maybe a little more respect and a lot > less ignorance should be shown, it would go a long way. Perhaps true in some instances, but a portion of this issue also comes down to an honest disagreement in exactly what being MDK means. To me and many others it indicates your lineage, i.e. that you trace your TSD or TKD lineage back to Hwang Kee. To others it implies that you are a member of one particular organization, the one currently headed by HC Hwang. I can easily see how an argument can be made either way. I personally fall into the former group. Mr. Cox and some others on this list fall into the latter group. Just like any large family, disagreements are to be expected. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:25:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Master Kevin Case" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Word Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Richard, Romanized the word would be Yong or Yung -Master Case Message: 2 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:08:52 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Word Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anyone know what the Korean word for zero or the well, number 0 is? --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "John Chambers" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD MooDukKwan Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:31:01 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: I totally agree with your statement. I am from the old school of TKD/MDK. As I had mentioned to you in the past, I was promoted in my lower black belt ranks by the then second president of the Korea TKD/MDK Association, who was Kang Ik Lee. My old Korea Certifications were signed by him in the early 1960s. The certificates listed my ranks under the art of: TaeKwonDo / MooDukKwan. John Chambers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD MooDukKwan >> Thank you Ray, There are many folks in the world apparently not >> knowledgeable >> nor experienced enough to understand every thing that was involved with >> the >> split in the MooDukKwan. The folks on both side of this split for the >> most >> part have reconciled their differences on personal level, however still >> remain >> separate organizations. >> Most snide comments I see today usually come from younger inexperienced >> members that really don't have a clue as to the complicated situation >> that >> lead to the split in the first place. Maybe a little more respect and a >> lot >> less ignorance should be shown, it would go a long way. > > Perhaps true in some instances, but a portion of this issue also comes > down > to an honest disagreement in exactly what being MDK means. > > To me and many others it indicates your lineage, i.e. that you trace your > TSD or TKD lineage back to Hwang Kee. > > To others it implies that you are a member of one particular organization, > the one currently headed by HC Hwang. > > I can easily see how an argument can be made either way. I personally > fall into the former group. Mr. Cox and some others on this list fall > into > the latter group. > > Just like any large family, disagreements are to be expected. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] staph? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In the latest episode of TUF4 they have an outbreak of staph (staphylococcus aureus bacteria) in the gym. Anyone had a problem with this on their studio mats? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "John Chambers" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] staph? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 18:56:56 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I never did! We always cleaned out mats at the end of each day, or for sure before classes the following day. Believe this or not, I knew of one school owner who made it mandatory that every student wear white socks while on his mat. Everybody in every class was wearing white socks, including the instructors. Was a weird sight. John Chambers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: "The_Dojang" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] staph? > In the latest episode of TUF4 they have an outbreak of staph > (staphylococcus > aureus bacteria) in the gym. > > Anyone had a problem with this on their studio mats? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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