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(Joseph Cheavens) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Jackson Fest Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:31:24 -0400 Organization: The Midtown Academy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This was my second GM West seminar but my first in Jackson; what a wonderful seminar and fantastic organization. I learned more than my brain could remember. Mark -----Original Message----- From: kat_kelly@sbcglobal.net [mailto:kat_kelly@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:40 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson Fest Thank you GM West for another fantastic weekend. If you missed this past weekend you should give yourself a boot to the head! If you don't I am sure there will be plenty of those who were there to take care of that for you in February :) For the Texas folks, GM West will be in Houston on Saturday November 4th for an all day seminar at Braeswood Martial Arts. Don't miss this opportunity for some one on one. Thank you also to all the Masters who took the time to come to Mississippi for all of us. Kat --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:48:51 -0400 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Staph? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I doubt this is a problem yet, but I'm sure it will grow. MRSA (Methicillian-resistant Staphyloccoccus aureus) is apparently increasingly frequent outside of health care settings. I got it this summer, albeit in one of its less virulent forms, and it was pretty nasty. My initial infection looked like a spider bite -- a dime sized white cup of pus that pretty quickly (a day?) grew to the size of a quarter. I was looking for the red streaks one would associate with a spider bite and didn't see any. When they took a culture, they found MRSA and I started wondering if I was going to have feet by the end of the summer. They changed the antibiotics I was on, and it cleared up fine, but I did lose a couple small areas of flesh to it (like a spider bite, it destroys the flesh). It did not hurt except at the edges, probably because it was destroying nerves as well. You can find more data on this at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus They didn't hospitalize me, but if it had gotten any worse, I was supposed to go to the hospital immediately, because it is highly contagious. That wikipedia article, by the way, says, "In the US there are increasing reports of outbreaks of MRSA colonisation and infection through skin contact in locker rooms and gymnasiums, even among healthy populations." So if you get a weird infection, get it checked out immediately. This stuff is definitely serious. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Staph? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:21:52 -0400 Organization: Above and Beyond Language Learning Inc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi: Glad that your infection cleared up! I had read something recently regarding the spread of infection increasing from gym/mat contact. Makes logical sense, as we are all sweating and spreading our feet in the same places! (Though to this point I was more worried about athletes foot than staph!) What does the average do jang do to keep this from spreading? My kids and I wash our feet when we get home from Tang Soo Do. What else should we be doing? Kay -----Original Message----- From: Burdick, Dakin Robert I doubt this is a problem yet, but I'm sure it will grow. MRSA (Methicillian-resistant Staphyloccoccus aureus) is apparently increasingly frequent outside of health care settings. I got it this summer, albeit in one of its less virulent forms, and it was pretty nasty. My initial infection looked like a spider bite -- a dime sized white cup of pus that pretty quickly (a day?) grew to the size of a quarter. I was looking for the red streaks one would associate with a spider bite and didn't see any. When they took a culture, they found MRSA and I started wondering if I was going to have feet by the end of the summer. They changed the antibiotics I was on, and it cleared up fine, but I did lose a couple small areas of flesh to it (like a spider bite, it destroys the flesh). It did not hurt except at the edges, probably because it was destroying nerves as well. You can find more data on this at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus They didn't hospitalize me, but if it had gotten any worse, I was supposed to go to the hospital immediately, because it is highly contagious. That wikipedia article, by the way, says, "In the US there are increasing reports of outbreaks of MRSA colonisation and infection through skin contact in locker rooms and gymnasiums, even among healthy populations." So if you get a weird infection, get it checked out immediately. This stuff is definitely serious. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Staph? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:58:40 -0400 From: "Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Our general rules were: 1. Don't come to class sick. 2. Bandage all cuts and scratches that could have contact with others (hands, arms, feet). 3. TRIM FINGER & TOENAILS!!! AND DO IT OFTEN!!! 4. Wash hands and feet BEFORE & AFTER class. 5. Mop or Wipe the floor with a bleach & water solution similar to the one mentioned before. 6. Make sure those who sweat heavily have a towel and frequent enough breaks to towel off, especially those schools without HVAC. 7. Do not allow street shoes on the workout floor. Best Regards, Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning [mailto:sales@aboveandbeyondlearning.com] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:22 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Staph? Hi: Glad that your infection cleared up! I had read something recently regarding the spread of infection increasing from gym/mat contact. Makes logical sense, as we are all sweating and spreading our feet in the same places! (Though to this point I was more worried about athletes foot than staph!) What does the average do jang do to keep this from spreading? My kids and I wash our feet when we get home from Tang Soo Do. What else should we be doing? Kay -----Original Message----- From: Burdick, Dakin Robert I doubt this is a problem yet, but I'm sure it will grow. MRSA (Methicillian-resistant Staphyloccoccus aureus) is apparently increasingly frequent outside of health care settings. I got it this summer, albeit in one of its less virulent forms, and it was pretty nasty. My initial infection looked like a spider bite -- a dime sized white cup of pus that pretty quickly (a day?) grew to the size of a quarter. I was looking for the red streaks one would associate with a spider bite and didn't see any. When they took a culture, they found MRSA and I started wondering if I was going to have feet by the end of the summer. They changed the antibiotics I was on, and it cleared up fine, but I did lose a couple small areas of flesh to it (like a spider bite, it destroys the flesh). It did not hurt except at the edges, probably because it was destroying nerves as well. You can find more data on this at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus They didn't hospitalize me, but if it had gotten any worse, I was supposed to go to the hospital immediately, because it is highly contagious. That wikipedia article, by the way, says, "In the US there are increasing reports of outbreaks of MRSA colonisation and infection through skin contact in locker rooms and gymnasiums, even among healthy populations." So if you get a weird infection, get it checked out immediately. This stuff is definitely serious. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:01:53 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] MDK Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray We will again have to agree to disagree. I do repect you and your opinion as you seem to be legitamate. I also respect your linage back to the founder of Moo Duk Kwan. The fact still remains that if you showed up to attend a Regional or National Moo Duk Kwan event. You would be a spcetator You would not be allowed to compete, to judge, or to demonstrate. Why? becasue you are not a part of the Moo Duk Kwan presently. You would of course be welcome to re-join at any time. I remeber you said you visited the HQ in NJ and watched HC Hwang KJN teach. Why did you not participate? These other organizations are splits, and nock offs. They have legitamate, very skilled instructors, and that is not in question. They claim to teach Moo Duk Kwan, however the Moo Duk Kwan as evolved also. The Yuk Ro Hyungs, the New Basics, the 5 Moo Do Principals etc. These splits do not teach because they have not been taught due to a broken connection with the founder and HIS Moo Duk Kwan My problem is not the legitamacy of the instructors personally. It is not the abililty of the instructors, it is just that they are not currently members of the Moo Duk Kwan currently training with and evolving with the Moo Duk Kwan. They are past members, or members of organizations created by past members. They are not Moo Duk Kwan now, and unless they rejoin they should not present themselves as such. There is no problem with being proud of your linage and telling everyone you know that you trained and was once a member of the Moo Duk Kwan, That is honorable. How many of these MDK people went through the week long Ko Dan Ja test for 4th Dan and above. How can a person claim to be a Moo Duk Kwan instructor that recieved their 4th Dan or above in the last 24 years and not have experianced the week long Ko Dan Ja? Having been through the Ko Dan Ja twice. Once for 4th Dan and once for 5th dan I can say they can't. I will stop fighting this battle becasue it is not a battle that I can win here on this do-jang site. So as I stated at the beginning I will respectfully agree to disagree. JC www.mdkregionsix.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Staph? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:05:23 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I used to see this alot back in the 70's..mostly from wrestling mats...we cleaned them every other day with a bleach based cleaner but you still had to wrestle on other schools mats every week so you didn't know where the germs were coming from....also in the 70's we played a lot of football on astroturf and I've seen some really nasty staph infections from that stuff also...the managers in college used to have these huge squirt bottles of disinfectant and would come up behind us in the locker room after games and hose us with this stuff on places like your elbows, shins, etc...places where you would get the skin scraped off during a game....IF you didn't let them squirt this stuff on you, then you would regret it next week when the scabs got pussy and sore as anything....but that stuff in the bottles hurt like the dickens when it hit your skin....I've seen some big boys yelling over that disinfectant...it wasn't no joke but it worked very well....whatever it was?? Michael Tomlinson >From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Staph? >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:48:51 -0400 > >I doubt this is a problem yet, but I'm sure it will grow. MRSA >(Methicillian-resistant Staphyloccoccus aureus) is apparently >increasingly frequent outside of health care settings. I got it this >summer, albeit in one of its less virulent forms, and it was pretty >nasty. My initial infection looked like a spider bite -- a dime sized >white cup of pus that pretty quickly (a day?) grew to the size of a >quarter. I was looking for the red streaks one would associate with a >spider bite and didn't see any. When they took a culture, they found >MRSA and I started wondering if I was going to have feet by the end of >the summer. They changed the antibiotics I was on, and it cleared up >fine, but I did lose a couple small areas of flesh to it (like a spider >bite, it destroys the flesh). It did not hurt except at the edges, >probably because it was destroying nerves as well. You can find more >data on this at: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus > >They didn't hospitalize me, but if it had gotten any worse, I was >supposed to go to the hospital immediately, because it is highly >contagious. That wikipedia article, by the way, says, "In the US there >are increasing reports of outbreaks of MRSA colonisation and infection >through skin contact in locker rooms and gymnasiums, even among healthy >populations." > >So if you get a weird infection, get it checked out immediately. This >stuff is definitely serious. > >Yours in the arts, > >Dakin Burdick >dakinburdick@yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Staph? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:08:00 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just my experience but if you use a bucket of hot water with a small portion of bleach in it it should kill almost anything...you have to be careful about using basic cleaners because they will create a greasy film on your mats which isn't very safe and might actually bring more germs onto the mat... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning" > >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Staph? >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:21:52 -0400 > >Hi: > >Glad that your infection cleared up! I had read something recently >regarding the spread of infection increasing from gym/mat contact. Makes >logical sense, as we are all sweating and spreading our feet in the same >places! (Though to this point I was more worried about athletes foot than >staph!) > >What does the average do jang do to keep this from spreading? My kids and >I >wash our feet when we get home from Tang Soo Do. What else should we be >doing? > >Kay > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Burdick, Dakin Robert > >I doubt this is a problem yet, but I'm sure it will grow. MRSA >(Methicillian-resistant Staphyloccoccus aureus) is apparently increasingly >frequent outside of health care settings. I got it this summer, albeit in >one of its less virulent forms, and it was pretty nasty. My initial >infection looked like a spider bite -- a dime sized white cup of pus that >pretty quickly (a day?) grew to the size of a quarter. I was looking for >the red streaks one would associate with a spider bite and didn't see any. >When they took a culture, they found MRSA and I started wondering if I was >going to have feet by the end of the summer. They changed the antibiotics >I >was on, and it cleared up fine, but I did lose a couple small areas of >flesh >to it (like a spider bite, it destroys the flesh). It did not hurt except >at the edges, probably because it was destroying nerves as well. You can >find more data on this at: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus > >They didn't hospitalize me, but if it had gotten any worse, I was supposed >to go to the hospital immediately, because it is highly contagious. That >wikipedia article, by the way, says, "In the US there are increasing >reports >of outbreaks of MRSA colonisation and infection through skin contact in >locker rooms and gymnasiums, even among healthy populations." > >So if you get a weird infection, get it checked out immediately. This >stuff >is definitely serious. > >Yours in the arts, > >Dakin Burdick >dakinburdick@yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:09:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson Homecoming Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Gm West, Again thanks for all the time and effort you put into organizing the wonderful weekend, and time spent with all of us from Georgia who attended. My mutants and Kuebs are all fired up about all the new ideas they saw, and how many of the Hapkido concepts they learned are part of what they are learning at our school, or will help them with something they are learning in our school. To all the senior masters that also gave of your time and knowledge we thank you. If you missed this event, live within 10hours drive of Jackson Mississippi and practice Korean Martial Arts, then I would start planning NOW for the February session. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards mc --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] MDK To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... I remeber you said you visited the HQ in NJ and watched > HC Hwang KJN teach. Why did you not participate? I was asked, but I did not have a dobak with me. I was in the Newark area on business and did not pack a uniform. But I'm not really sure what your point is. That I would not be asked? Nope, HC Hwang asked when I told him that I was MDK. He also introduced me to the class of about 20 and individually to the two top ranks present. > ... There is no problem with being proud of your linage and > telling everyone you know that you trained and was once a member of the Moo > Duk Kwan, That is honorable. Once born into a family, always part of that family. Anything less is not honorable. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:34:28 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Nutrition for MA's Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I also liked "The Fighters Body" and would also recommend "The Science Of Martial Arts Training", by Charles Staley Dave ******************************** Yes, Staley's book is also a great resource. Staley also wrote the text book for the ISSA course "Specialist in Martial Arts Conditioning." Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --__--__-- Message: 11 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:36:45 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Pavel Tsatsouline Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anyone here familier with Pavel Tsatsouline's workout routines? Anyone have comments regarding them? He has a number of books/DVDs and I'm curious to what he teaches, etc. The Martial Power program looks very interesting, but then it might just be the advertising.... Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --__--__-- Message: 12 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:41:08 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] NKMAA seminar in Burlington, ON Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings all: I will be in Burlington, ON on the weekend of October 13-14 to do an NKMAA seminar for the Sidekicks School of martial arts run by Master D. Miner. Topics covered will be: Joint locks/Pressure point combinations, Ki training, Korean Weapons including the sword and the staff, as well as some advanced technique training for Black Belts. We had a great time there last year, and we should have a better time this year. Thanks for the bandwidth Ray. Warmest personal regards Rudy Timmerman NKMAA --__--__-- Message: 13 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:05:45 -0400 From: rdnhjms@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Marshall Johnson, 73, RIP Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Marshall Johnson was also the head of Hoi Jeon Moo Sool in the US under Grand Master Myung Jae Ok. Myung Jae Ok is the twin brother of International Hapkido Federation founder Myung Jae Nam (who passed on a few years ago). Their styles are very similar. Master Johnson indeed contributed much to the martial arts world, and was the first to invite GM Myung to the US. He was a good man, and will be missed by all. Rick Nabors World Hoi Jeon Moo Sool Federation ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Staph? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:47:06 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The BJJ dojo I just started training at has the students sweep the mats with dust mops, then wipe down with hot soapy water after each class. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Staph? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:21:52 -0400 Hi: Glad that your infection cleared up! I had read something recently regarding the spread of infection increasing from gym/mat contact. Makes logical sense, as we are all sweating and spreading our feet in the same places! (Though to this point I was more worried about athletes foot than staph!) What does the average do jang do to keep this from spreading? My kids and I wash our feet when we get home from Tang Soo Do. What else should we be doing? Kay -----Original Message----- From: Burdick, Dakin Robert I doubt this is a problem yet, but I'm sure it will grow. MRSA (Methicillian-resistant Staphyloccoccus aureus) is apparently increasingly frequent outside of health care settings. I got it this summer, albeit in one of its less virulent forms, and it was pretty nasty. My initial infection looked like a spider bite -- a dime sized white cup of pus that pretty quickly (a day?) grew to the size of a quarter. I was looking for the red streaks one would associate with a spider bite and didn't see any. When they took a culture, they found MRSA and I started wondering if I was going to have feet by the end of the summer. They changed the antibiotics I was on, and it cleared up fine, but I did lose a couple small areas of flesh to it (like a spider bite, it destroys the flesh). It did not hurt except at the edges, probably because it was destroying nerves as well. You can find more data on this at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus They didn't hospitalize me, but if it had gotten any worse, I was supposed to go to the hospital immediately, because it is highly contagious. That wikipedia article, by the way, says, "In the US there are increasing reports of outbreaks of MRSA colonisation and infection through skin contact in locker rooms and gymnasiums, even among healthy populations." So if you get a weird infection, get it checked out immediately. This stuff is definitely serious. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest