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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Hapkido dan triumphant at MFC 10 (The_Dojang) 2. Re: Re: nothing new under the sun (Steven Berkowitz) 3. Re: NKMAA seminar in Burlington, ON (Steven Berkowitz) 4. RE: The Protector (Stovall, Craig) 5. Re: NKMAA seminar in Burlington, ON (Jye nigma) 6. Re: Hapkido dan triumphant at MFC 10 (Jye nigma) 7. Tony Jaa (Gordon) 8. Re: Tony Jaa (Nathan Miller) 9. antibiotics and staph (Damian Adams) 10. the role of antibiotics in healing (Don Kirsch) 11. TKD in Bangkok (The_Dojang) 12. Re: Re: Moo Duk Kwan-1964 (Pedro J.Carvallo S.) 13. Re: Re: Moo Duk Kwan-1964 (Ray) 14. RE: NKMAA seminar in Burlington, ON (Thomas Gordon) 15. Master Dan re MMA fighting (Dan Scholten) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:49:47 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido dan triumphant at MFC 10 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kyrejto triumphant at MFC 10 Submits Knapp with guillotine choke Chris Miller Tuesday September 12, 2006 Cold Lake Sun — Josh Kyrejto settled some unfinished business! Kyrejto, a longtime Cold Lake resident now residing in Edmonton, won an exciting bout at Maximum Fighting Championship (MFC) 10 -- Unfinished Business. After submitting Knapp with a guillotine choke at MFC 9 -- No Excuses, Kyrejto vowed to make him bleed in their rematch. He accomplished his goal. Immediately after touching gloves at the start of the fight, Kyrejto attacked Corey Knapp with a flying knee that connected solidly. "In preparation for the fight I was working on the flying knee. I planned on coming out with that," Kyrejto told The Sun following the fight. "We went into a clinch, and then I landed another knee to the head." The second flying knee was a turning point in the fight. Knapp bled from a deep gash on his face. While Kyrejto has a black belt in hapkido, once the two young men went to the canvas, he showed that he also has great technique on the ground. He had Knapp in his guard, and then cinched victory with a guillotine choke. Knapp tried retaliating with hard fists to the ribs, but eventually tapped out. The fight was over in 1:32. MFC 10 was held last Friday, at Edmonton's Shaw Conference Centre. All 11 fights ended in the first round. Kyrejto, formerly a flyweight, is now fighting at lightweight. He weighed in at 154 pounds for his fight against Knapp (148.4 pounds). Next, Kyrejto is considering going to Phoenix, Arizona for an upcoming Rage in the Cage. "They have really good guys there. I'm maybe not ready," he admitted. "Most fighters hit their peak in their early 30s, so I've still got lots of time. Right now the sky's the limit," he said, mentioning that one of his ultimate goals would be to fight in Pride, the premiere mixed martial arts event in Japan. The official weigh-in brought attention to MFC 10. The weigh-in was held Sept. 7 at West Edmonton Mall's HMV stage. This was the first time in Canadian mixed martial arts history that a weigh-in was showcased in such a way. MFC President Mark Pavelich said there was no better place than at the world's largest shopping mall. In the highly anticipated main event, Victor "The Matrix" Valimaki squared off against Jason "Dooms" Day for the MFC World Light Heavyweight title. Valimaki won in exciting fashion, and said that he belongs in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. MFC superstar Jason "The Athlete" MacDonald defeated Neil Berry in a Middleweight Superfight. MacDonald proved why he is one of the best middleweights in MFC. The previous nine MFC events have been held across Alberta, including West Edmonton Mall, Slave Lake, Calgary, Lethbridge and Grande Prairie. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Steven Berkowitz" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: nothing new under the sun Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:02:15 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In 198, family friend Moon Lee Sik started showing me Tae Kyun, which he was learning in nearby Philadelphia from someone he calle the "head of all Korean karate" (of course......) . I didn't hear TKD until about 71-72, and was already into an okinawan karate japanese derivitive. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: nothing new under the sun > I guess the rudiments of taekwondo existed in 1963 although I never heard > the term taekwondo back then. I heard tae soo, tae bek as well as the multiple > kwans. While I'm not claiming to know everything under the sun, I dare say > that no one in 1964 in New York at least, was sporting the name taekwondo. Even > S. Henry Cho didn't use tkd and he was the first. > > > Sid > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Steven Berkowitz" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] NKMAA seminar in Burlington, ON Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:14:27 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not sure what "ki breaking" is supposed to mean....? I do know that, back in 80s, I worked with Jim Morell, who ran International Police Academy, Lakehurst, NJ. Jim used to do the "iron palm" thing on a red firebrick. Laid the brick flat, laid the hand on it, and focused, and eventually, he would somehow break the brick in half. I was never sure if it was "ki", a weak brick(prebaked a second time?) or the amount of vodka that nourished his soul..... If course, in those days, another in the group we traveled with, was catching arrows onstage at Madison Square Garden. Lots of weird folks back then ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 8:07 PM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] NKMAA seminar in Burlington, ON > Grandmaster Timmerman, > > Some of the students are still talking about the ki breaking. To be > candid, I used to think that was a bit hokey but I now I've seen it with > my own eyes. > > And just so you know, Master Miner told me (in confidence of course) > that he felt like he could do six blocks....... > > Thomas Gordon > Florida > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:32:25 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The Protector Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<< Wow! Has anyone else seen this movie? It was great! The final battle with the evil henchmen at the climax of the movie was dozens of non-stop, bone breaking, joint locks and throws. Awesome!>>> Not yet, but I'll definitely get a copy when it hits DVD. Have you seen 'Ong Bak: Thai Warrior'? You'd probably like that too. I'm a huge Tony Jaa fan and I hope he keeps making movies like this. On a related note...who else is stoked about the new Jet Li movie that's coming out. It looks good! --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:22:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] NKMAA seminar in Burlington, ON To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ki breaking is what I am more impressed with then the usual breaking demos. Best demo I've seen was when the instructor put bricks ontop of each other without spacers, and I picked a brick and he broke that brick only which was like a brick sandwiched between other bricks. Jye Steven Berkowitz wrote: Not sure what "ki breaking" is supposed to mean....? I do know that, back in 80s, I worked with Jim Morell, who ran International Police Academy, Lakehurst, NJ. Jim used to do the "iron palm" thing on a red firebrick. Laid the brick flat, laid the hand on it, and focused, and eventually, he would somehow break the brick in half. I was never sure if it was "ki", a weak brick(prebaked a second time?) or the amount of vodka that nourished his soul..... If course, in those days, another in the group we traveled with, was catching arrows onstage at Madison Square Garden. Lots of weird folks back then --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:27:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido dan triumphant at MFC 10 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=13967 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:33:29 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tony Jaa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, I saw Ong Bak, own a copy. Flying knees and elbows cool! It doesn't even compare to The Protector. The joint work (I like to think its Hapkido but its all good) at the climax goes on for a couple of minutes as he blows through a dozen guys, breaking arms, legs, elbows, wrists, necks and the like. COOL! I can't wait to watch it slow-mo and grit my teeth as guys get TORN UP! I hear that the Jet Li movie: Fearless is supposed to be his last MA film. Can anyone verify this? I also want to see the movie: Marine, with John Cena. Gotta root for the Marines! Gordon Okerstrom Craig Stovall wrote: <<< Wow! Has anyone else seen this movie? It was great! The final battle with the evil henchmen at the climax of the movie was dozens of non-stop, bone breaking, joint locks and throws. Awesome!>>> Not yet, but I'll definitely get a copy when it hits DVD. Have you seen 'Ong Bak: Thai Warrior'? You'd probably like that too. I'm a huge Tony Jaa fan and I hope he keeps making movies like this. On a related note...who else is stoked about the new Jet Li movie that's coming out. It looks good! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:15:06 -0500 From: "Nathan Miller" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Tony Jaa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I hear that the Jet Li movie: Fearless is supposed to be his last MA film. > Can anyone verify this? He has said this will be his last martial arts film, yes. He will, however, continue to make action movies, and if those involve martial arts, well... I believe he's trying to step away from roles that center on martial arts, and prove himself as an actor. Nathan --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:52:44 +0930 From: Damian Adams To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] antibiotics and staph Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The problem with MRSA and antibiotics is that this strain of staph is resistant to nearly every known antibiotic to man with the exception of Vancomycin. Vancomycin has for some time been the last drug of choice, that is, it is used as a last resort. If it get's used too frequently then there is a chance that MRSA will also acquire resistance to this antibiotic then we are in a whole world of trouble. Science is working hard at discovering some new antibiotics that could replace Vancomycin. I've had MRSA and been on Vancomycin - it's no fun. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:34:58 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] the role of antibiotics in healing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Frank, I agree with your comment on antibiotics, you are correct that antibiotics kill bacterial infections. However I was referring to how antibiotics are used in healing. The antibiotics reduce the bacterial infection to a level the body can manage. Dr. Andrew Weil's book "Spontaneous Healing" addresses this issue..."Antibiotics reduce numbers of invading germs to a point where the immune system can take over and finish the job. The real cause of the cure is the immune system, which may be unable to end an infection because it is overwhelmed by sheer numbers of bacteria and their toxic products "(pg. 110). My only point was it's one's body and mind which plays a pivotal role in healing from both bacterial infections and viral infections. I know this is a KMA forum so I'll drop the subject. Regards, Don "Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft." Theodore Roosevelt --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:38:04 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD in Bangkok Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Martial artists in Bangkok [TAEKWONDO] A total of 242 contestants from 38 countries - including a 35-strong squad from Turkey - arrived in Bangkok yesterday to take part in the WTF World Cup Taekwondo Team Championships. The tournament will be held at the 5,000-seat Hua Mark Indoor Stadium from September 14-18. According to Pricha Thortrakul, a special advisor to the Taekwondo Association of Thailand (TAT) and deputy chairman of the organising committee, competitors from other countries also wanted to take part, but sent in their entry forms too late. "Representatives from many countries sent us letters saying they were interested in fielding athletes in the championships. However, we had to reject their requests as the deadline to enter had passed," Pricha said. "Tight security measures are in place to make sure there is no violence or emergencies during the competition. We also provided residences in different areas for European and American contestants and those from the Middle East. "The Chinese and Taiwanese also asked us to provide accommodation in different areas." Of the 242 contestants arriving in Bangkok yesterday, Turkey sent the biggest team of 35. The US have fielded 16, Qatar 15, Norway nine, the Netherlands 14, Italy 18, Iran 30, Guatemala two, Germany 16, Denmark 10, Croatia 24, China 29 and Australia 24. Thailand will be represented by a strong squad of 12 led by Patiwat Thongsalab, a gold medallist at last year's World University Games, and Yaowapa Boorapolchai, a bronze medallist at the Athens Olympics. To gain more experience and expertise, the Thai squad trained in Songnam, South Korea, from August 15 to prepare for the championships. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Pedro J.Carvallo S." To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Moo Duk Kwan-1964 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:10:12 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I never wrote before, but I seen a sort of family air around, I'm From Venezuela, My master's school name is Moo Duk Kwan, it was a legacy from his master Mr. Lee Chon Koo, (8 dan) who actually lives in New York If any of you know something about him (Mr. Lee Chon Koo) or the history of the school (Moo Duk Kwan), please let me know, I want know about the roots and history of it. Regads. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Chambers" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Moo Duk Kwan-1964 > Sorry again: > > I was teraching TKD in 1962 at my Martial Arts Academy at Anderson, > Indiana. Master Glenn Keeny was one of my assistant instructors at the > time, and he was then only a Green-Belt. > Sung Jae Park and Young Nam Chung were also teaching TKD a their Academy > at Muncie, Indiana, a neighboriung city of Anderson. > John Chambers > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:18 PM > Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Moo Duk Kwan-1964 > > >> Ray, >> >> >> TKD became official in 1973. Dr. Chun couldn't have taught tkd in >> 1964. >> >> >> Sid >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Moo Duk Kwan-1964 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I never wrote before, but I seen a sort of family air around, I'm From > Venezuela, My master's school name is Moo Duk Kwan, it was a legacy from his > master Mr. Lee Chon Koo, (8 dan) who actually lives in New York If any of > you know something about him (Mr. Lee Chon Koo) or the history of the school > (Moo Duk Kwan), please let me know, I want know about the roots and history > of it. For MDK info see Chapter 1, Section 3 of: http://martialartsresource.com/anonftp/pub/the_dojang/digests/history.html Also search the document at that URL for other references to Hwang Kee. Excellent info. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] NKMAA seminar in Burlington, ON Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:08:04 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Berkowitz, First off, I reread my email from last night and looks like I need to proof read before sending. That's what happens when the curtain climber comes in here asking me questions like only a six year old dreams of asking. Today she asked me why some people point with their middle finger.... *sigh* Ki breaking is something I didn't believe until I saw it. It's a soft break. For us hard stylist, it's a bit tricky because we want to hit the block hard and break it. Our 13 year old did it and she was about 90lbs soaking wet so it has nothing to do with power. She listened to the instructions from Grandmaster Timmerman and then she did it. It was open handed with more of a slap than a "hit." Very intriguing. I tried to figure out an angle to study it but haven't been real successful yet at the exact dynamics to how it works. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:33:58 -0800 From: Dan Scholten To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan re MMA fighting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A few weeks ago I watched a much touted up coming UFC fight about a retired fighter that was really one of the best for a long time grappler defeating many people for many years, over 40 against a younger full contact fighter. The fight ended in the first 30 seconds, the younger fighter kicked at the older mans front leg not to sweep but to do damage to the leg and the second hit was right at one of the four major pressure points of the knee that has to be hit on target with the right angle. It immediately stopped the fight. I wonder if anyone watched this and if the younger fighter really knew what to kick of if it was just a lucky blow?? One thing for sure it reinforces my view that a smaller person can defeat a much larger stronger person not with fancy fast moves or being stronger but with more deliberate and accurate contact to critical areas that work regardless of the other person's size or strength. If anyone could give background on the names of the fighters and an opinion I would appreciate it. Thanks Master Dan --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest