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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. GM West in Houston (KATHY KELLY) 2. Re: Re: Opening a New Dojang - tires under plywood (John Chambers) 3. Instructor Lineage (Madmike3655@cs.com) 4. Ernie Lieb (1940-2006) (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 5. Re: Instructor Lineage (saberkowitz@comcast.net) 6. Re: Instructor Lineage (Jye nigma) 7. Higher Dan Promotion Test (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 07:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHY KELLY To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] GM West in Houston Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.hapkido.com/seminar_map.htm The registration forms have started flowing in. Get yours in the mail for pre-registration by October 23rd. Web Master Watkins was nice enough to put a link on the above site. GM West All Day Hapkido Seminar Saturday November 4th 2006 Houston Texas Hosted by Kat Kelly Braeswood Martial Arts 4122 Willowbend Houston TX 77025 713-283-6000 See you there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "John Chambers" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Opening a New Dojang - tires under plywood Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:05:12 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Melinda: Your questions are not silly. I will answer them, but if you would like for me to send you a copy of the plans that I put together, then send me a physical address. First,..you lay out the tires side by side (touching each other) forming a square to the size or available space to work with. You now have a big square of car tires. Yes,..using the same size tires is best, because that makes your square perfectly even all around. Tire dealers have to pay to dispose of the tires, so you can get them free and haul them off, just by asking for them. Also county dumps have hundreds for the asking! Now you construct your 2"x12" boards around the tires creating a giant sand-box like a kid would play in. Difference is that it is huge and the sand has been replaced by car tires. Join all corners with steel "L" shape clamps and screws to keep sand-box intact. This keeps the tires from shifting or moving in the future. Now you lay out 2"x4" boards across every row of tires, leaving about 2" free space from end of 2x4 boards and the outer sandbox 12" tall boards. You now insert all the eyelets around the outside sand-box enclosure, using flat washer on outside and inside of boards with bolt/screw eyelets only! Screw in type eyelets will pull loose when rope is tightened through canvas and eyelets otherwise! Now you cover with no less than 1/2" plywood,..and you screw the plywood to the 2x4s, using special screws and electric drill. The special screws are those that are designed (NOT-TO) back out later, which would cause you to have to take canvas off to repair. Once plywood is screwed down all over surface, place your 2" condensed foam sheets over the plywood. Now you place custom cut canvas over top and run nylon rope through canvas eyelets and steel eyelets mounted to outer surface of sand-box enclosure. Pull canvas tight. After week or so of use, pull canvas even tighter because it will stretch some. Will stop stretching after couple of weeks and will stay tight afterwards. You now have the finest martial arts mat found in any dojang anywhere in the world. It is comfortable but yet firm enough for any art because of the 2" condensed foam, and absolutely wonderful to fall on because of the spring like floating-floor over the car tires. AND THAT'S THAT MELINDA! John Chambers professorjohn@tampabay.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Opening a New Dojang - tires under plywood > Joseph: > > Years ago, I built such a floating floor using old tires and plywood. My > floor was 25' By 40'. Once you lay out the exact mat measurement by > placing > the tires side by side to cover the space required, you then box it in > with > 2" by 12" wide boards, joined at the corners. This creates something > similar > to a big sand box like a kid would play in, with exception of replacing > the > sand with old car tires. > A plywood tope to cover the tires, leaving a couple inches of space > around > all for sides, allows the plywood floor to float. > Makes a great judo mat area, by adding a 2' condensed foam cover over the > floor and then covered with a stretched canvas. > will last forever and just enough spring to make falling a breeze. > Good suggestion to use the joining mats for non-judo martial arts. > > John Chambers > ------------------------------- > hi john, > > ok, here's some silly questions for you... > > -do all the tires need to be the same width? > > -do you just make an exterior 2x12 frame around the whole floor? or > 2x12's > at 4x8 increments to nail down the plywood? > > -you do nail down the plywood, right? > > > > thanks :) > melinda > > Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy > _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 > Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply > _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Madmike3655@cs.com Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:39:29 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Instructor Lineage Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is my first time posting a question but I was wondering if anyone knows (or knows how I can find out) who my Master Instructors instructor was. He is a very quiet man who doesn't like to share too many things with anybody. His name is Frank Trojanowicz (I believe his DAN Number is #13333) I heard from someone that he trained under Hwang Kee KJN but I don't know how true that is. I also know at one point his school was under the World Tang Soo Do Association but I know that's not where he started. Your in the arts Mike (TANG SOO!!) --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:36:23 -0400 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Cc: , Subject: [The_Dojang] Ernie Lieb (1940-2006) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is my sad duty to report that Ernie Lieb of Muskegon, Michigan, was killed in a train wreck in Lathen, Germany. The maglev struck a maintenance vehicle at 125 miles per hour, killing twenty-three people, among them Ernie (10th dan, American Karate System) and three of his black belts -- Chuck Kurm, Dagmar Wichterich, and Mattheas Augustijn -- who were traveling with him to a karate seminar in Germany. There are details at the site below: http://www3.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/22/train.wreck.ap/index.html I wish I could say something more about the three black belts who were with Ernie, but I didn't know them. All I know is that if they were with Ernie, they could only be upright and dedicated men, and I'm sure anyone who knew them could say a lot more. I did have the great honor of meeting Ernie. He contacted me last year about the history of Chidokwan, and I was able to interview him last July about the early history of modern Korean martial arts. I was finally able to work on that interview recently, and was looking forward to sending Ernie a first draft when he got back from Germany. I wish I had it done earlier, as there are so many questions I still had for him. I know there are some on this list who are probably shocked that I would use Ernie’s first name rather than Grandmaster Lieb, but Ernie was definitely Ernie above all else, and that was a good thing. He was down-to-earth. Ernie was never one for titles or awards, and his friend and student Mike Sullenger can attest that he was a hard man to convince otherwise! Here’s what Ernie said about it last year: “In 2000 the Germans came over and all the high ranks came together and promoted me to 9th dan and certified me as such. There were some powerful names on the certificate. First of all when Mike Sullenger came over to present it to me, I stepped back. He says, ‘You going to rip it up?’ I says ‘Yes.’ He says, ‘Why?’ I says, ‘I don’t care about rank -- never have.’ He says, ‘Please, look at the certificate.’ And on the certificate were two ninth dans. They were my original first two black belts. They signed the certificate, and I hadn’t talked to one of them for thirty years. ‘Cause when I broke from Korea, he was very angry, and we hadn’t talked to each other for thirty years, but he was there for that presentation, and we made peace.” Ernie accepted the rank because he didn’t want to hold his own people back by not moving up. “To me, my first black belt was it. And the rest, eh. Because it doesn’t make you any better, it’s the knowledge behind it. And the only thing it represented to me, that black belt, is I’m now a teacher, I can pass on knowledge. That is the most important thing. There’s a dime a dozen champions -- how many good teachers are there? And a champion doesn’t make more students, a teacher provides more students to the art. And when he dies, he’ll have many -- a champion passes on... what? His trophies? I had hundreds of those - so what? A teacher, a good teacher -- that’s what I became and I love it. But it cost me like I say, because I was so dedicated in competition. I’ll make no bones about it. I lost my first two wives because I was never home, always out on the tournament circuit, always fighting, always going, paying all my own bills out of my own pocket -- the doctor bills, so on. And the sad thing was that I was always the winner -- the losers, I hate to think of the medical bills.” Ernie escaped from Soviet-occupied East Berlin with his family and arrived in New York City on January 17, 1952. “My hatred for communists is terrible,” he said, “The pride of being an American citizen is even greater.” He served in Vietnam as a sniper and sniper instructor and began studying t’aesudo while stationed at K-16 Air Force Base, Kunsan, Korea. H.N. Kim (Chidokwan), was his instructor, and Ernie was the first American to win the World T’aesudo Championships in 1964. He competed (and won) for many years thereafter. Ernie was a great teacher and a great supporter of the art. He taught his friend Tadashi Yamashita how to kick, and he taught his friend Bruce Lee the high snap round kick. In return, they improved his hand skills. “They were the fastest and best of that era,” said Ernie. Bill Wallace was probably Ernie’s most famous student, but Ernie taught a lot of people, both here in the U.S. and in Germany. Ernie broke from t’aegweondo in the 1960s because of the double standard he saw in the art -- Americans had to pay a hundred dollars for a black belt certification at the time, while Koreans paid only five dollars. Ernie continued to support Korea, his instructor, Chong-Wu Lee, and the Chidokwan, but he would have nothing to do with t’aegweondo or the Korean instructors in the States who supported it. Instead, he was given permission to form his own organization, which was originally called the American Ji-do-kwan. Ernie poured a lot of his heart into developing the American Karate System, which belongs to both the U.S. Karate-do Kai (USKK) and the German Karate Union (DKV). Contact his students Mike Sullenger (8th dan) and Fred Reinecke (8th dan) -- if you would like to learn more about it. http://www.americankaratesystem.org/sullenger.html http://www.americankaratesystem.org/reinecke.html “Being a founder of a style is wonderful,” Ernie told me, “it cost me two marriages, it cost me my teeth, it cost me a broken nose four times, fingers all busted, toes busted.” But anyone who ever met him knew that he would do it all over again if he had the chance. He never compromised, he was loyal to his instructor and loyal to his system to the end. If you wanted to know what made Ernie tick, all you had to do was look at his uniform. The American flag was on his left shoulder and the German flag on his right. And the Chidokwan patch over his left breast, over his heart. God bless you Ernie, and keep you safe. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: saberkowitz@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Instructor Lineage Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:14:04 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net and, is he so unapproachable in the interactive relationship you have woth him that you can't ask him? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Madmike3655@cs.com > This is my first time posting a question but I was wondering if anyone knows > (or knows how I can find out) who my Master Instructors instructor was. He is > a very quiet man who doesn't like to share too many things with anybody. His > name is Frank Trojanowicz (I believe his DAN Number is #13333) I heard from > someone that he trained under Hwang Kee KJN but I don't know how true that is. > I also know at one point his school was under the World Tang Soo Do > Association but I know that's not where he started. > > Your in the arts > Mike (TANG SOO!!) > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:03:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Instructor Lineage To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net sounds fishy. Jye saberkowitz@comcast.net wrote: and, is he so unapproachable in the interactive relationship you have woth him that you can't ask him? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Madmike3655@cs.com > This is my first time posting a question but I was wondering if anyone knows > (or knows how I can find out) who my Master Instructors instructor was. He is > a very quiet man who doesn't like to share too many things with anybody. His > name is Frank Trojanowicz (I believe his DAN Number is #13333) I heard from > someone that he trained under Hwang Kee KJN but I don't know how true that is. > I also know at one point his school was under the World Tang Soo Do > Association but I know that's not where he started. > > Your in the arts > Mike (TANG SOO!!) > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:54:40 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Higher Dan Promotion Test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kukkiwon Announcement on Higher Dan Promotion Test 25 Sep 2006 The Kukkiwon will hold the fourth and final Higher Dan Promotion Test for this year on Dec. 2, 2006 at the Kukkiwon. Those who have met the requirements for the test such as time passage from the previous Dan promotion and age limit, as stipulated in Article 8 of the Regulations of the Kukkiwon Dan Promotion Test, are eligible for the application. There will be a lecture on poomsae for the participants from 8 a.m. to 9:50 a.m. on the same day. Korean residents are eligible for promotion from 6th through 9th Dan. Foreign residents are eligible for 8th and 9th Dan only. Requirements Dan/ Cls / Time lapse : since last Dan promotion / Age - 6th Dan : 5 years (promoted to the 5th Dan prior to Dec. 31, 2001) 30 years and over (Born on or before Dec. 31, 1976) - 7th Dan : 6 years (promoted to 6th Dan prior to Dec. 31, 2000) 36 years and over (Born on or before Dec. 31, 1970) - 8th Dan : 8 years (promoted to 7th and prior to Dec. 31, 1998) 44 years and over (Born on or before Dec. 31, 1962) - 9th Dan : 9 years (promoted to 8th Dan prior to Dec. 31, 1997) 53 years and over (Born on or before Dec. 31, 1953) For further information, please contact the Kukkiwon's International Division either at 82-2-563-3339 (telephone) or 82-2-552-3025 (fax). --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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