Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:59:58 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #406 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Jye (Frank Clay) 2. Corea vs. Korea (Ray) 3. Re: Jye (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 4. RE: Corea vs. Korea (Joseph Cheavens) 5. Re: what does he teach (Beungood8@aol.com) 6. The Gentle Way (aburrese@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:13:08 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jye Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, The last time I saw him he had lost a heckuvalot of weight. That part he does deserve credit for. It's not an easy feat and anyone able to do that deserves support (but only in so far that it pertains to his weightloss). Now, that being said... I disagree with him being a teacher of anything. In the early 2000's when I was between contracts, I was covering at his school. I know the Taegeuks but by no stretch of the imagination am I an expert on them I practiced the pyung ahn hyung. At any rate, some of those kids did not know the name of their hyung, much less the hyung itself. Now I'm not talking about a first gup who just learned TG 8. I'm talking about a first gup who could not name or adequately perform TG1 or 2. Now, I will disclaim this by saying this is solely my onion; however, its based on my first hand observations. He could be a fine teacher but I'm not seeing the evidence in his school. He was pretty good at doing seminars but you really can't get a good feel from someone's teaching ability there. Anyone can do well at something for a few hours or a couple of days. f. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 06:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Corea vs. Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... -------------------------------------- Summing up the discussion: the name that we use today (in Latin countries) "Corea" came from a translitteration of the sound used by Koreans during the Koryo dinasty and was used for the first time either by the Arabs or the Portuguese somewhere between the Xth and the XIIIth Century (if we accept the Arab origin) or later (if we accept the Portuguese one). But the origin of the name from Koryo makes more possible the Arab origin of the translitteration (the Portuguese were not around Korea during the Koryo dynasty). After the first source using "Cooray" or "Core" by the Dutch Van Linschoten in 1585-6 on Portuguese boats, the time the name "Corea" was exactly used how we (Latin) know today was in western sources at the early beginning of the XVIIth Century. the change of the first letter, from "C" to "K" was generally accepted in the 1880s, probably because of the Anglo-Saxon (American) pronunciation, more prone to the hard pronounciation of the sound "C--G--K" (it occours to me difficult to believe that this was due -historically speaking- to the Germans!). --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Jye To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:16:41 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Clay, The fact that he lost "a heckuvalot of weight" does not automatically earn him credit. In this day and age of liposuction, tummy tucks, etc. and given his history of deceptive/misleading practices, I would guess that the weight loss was not due to any great effort on his part. In fact, the diet book would seem to be an indication that he has broadened his range of deceptive/misleading practices. Victor frankclay@msn.com 10/02/2006 06:13 To AM the_dojang@martialartsresource.net cc Please respond to Subject the_dojang@martia [The_Dojang] Jye lartsresource.net Jye, The last time I saw him he had lost a heckuvalot of weight. That part he does deserve credit for. It's not an easy feat and anyone able to do that deserves support (but only in so far that it pertains to his weightloss). Now, that being said... I disagree with him being a teacher of anything. In the early 2000's when I was between contracts, I was covering at his school. I know the Taegeuks but by no stretch of the imagination am I an expert on them I practiced the pyung ahn hyung. At any rate, some of those kids did not know the name of their hyung, much less the hyung itself. Now I'm not talking about a first gup who just learned TG 8. I'm talking about a first gup who could not name or adequately perform TG1 or 2. Now, I will disclaim this by saying this is solely my onion; however, its based on my first hand observations. He could be a fine teacher but I'm not seeing the evidence in his school. He was pretty good at doing seminars but you really can't get a good feel from someone's teaching ability there. Anyone can do well at something for a few hours or a couple of days. f. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Corea vs. Korea Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:34:41 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interesting. I had assumed that Westerners trading with China had picked up the name from the Chinese, like they did for Japan. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Subject: [The_Dojang] Corea vs. Korea Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 06:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Forwarding... -------------------------------------- Summing up the discussion: the name that we use today (in Latin countries) "Corea" came from a translitteration of the sound used by Koreans during the Koryo dinasty and was used for the first time either by the Arabs or the Portuguese somewhere between the Xth and the XIIIth Century (if we accept the Arab origin) or later (if we accept the Portuguese one). But the origin of the name from Koryo makes more possible the Arab origin of the translitteration (the Portuguese were not around Korea during the Koryo dynasty). After the first source using "Cooray" or "Core" by the Dutch Van Linschoten in 1585-6 on Portuguese boats, the time the name "Corea" was exactly used how we (Latin) know today was in western sources at the early beginning of the XVIIth Century. the change of the first letter, from "C" to "K" was generally accepted in the 1880s, probably because of the Anglo-Saxon (American) pronunciation, more prone to the hard pronounciation of the sound "C--G--K" (it occours to me difficult to believe that this was due -historically speaking- to the Germans!). _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:43:43 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: what does he teach Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/2/2006 7:07:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net are you guys serious? Is this person really a 400lbs TKD teacher? Jye sidtkd@aol.com wrote: Getting diet advice from Hackworthless is like getting morality advice from a hooker! At last glance the wannabee was about 400lbs! Sid He claims all kind of Mastery in Different arts... --__--__-- Message: 6 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:38:53 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] The Gentle Way Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I wrote this for my Martial Minute blog and thought some people here might find it useful as well. I first started judo when I was in high school back in 1982. While I now practice and teach hapkido and self-defense classes, I have not forgotten my judo roots. One of the first things taught in judo is the principle of ju, or gentleness. Judo actually means the gentle way. (do meaning way) To help with the meaning of ju, one should look at a couple of mottos that were expounded by Jigoro Kano, the founder of judo, "Best use of energy," and "Minimum effort, maximum efficiency." If your partner pulls with a strong force, you must go with the pull instead of resisting it, and then add your own strength to the initial force. This increases the momentum of the force being used. If you resist being pushed, and push back, energy is neutralized and the best use of energy and maximum efficiency is lost. Yielding to an oncoming force gives rise to efficient techniques and blends the combined forces. This harmony of technique is a basic principle of ju, and leads to the perfection of all underlying principles of judo and also the achievement of balance of harmony within the mind and body, which Jigoro Kano always spoke of as the highest goal. When you are practicing your martial art, study the philosophical principles as well as the physical techniques. Kano taught the judo philosophy as a way of life, and the study of such philosophical principles a critical part of learning judo. Other arts have similar philosophical teachings, and all of us as martial artists much study, learn, practice, and teach those aspects as well as the physical ones. I also encourage you to study the philosophy found in other arts. If you don't train in judo, take a moment and analyze what you just learned about ju, and how it may apply to your own art. All of us should be striving for the best use of energy and achieving maximum efficiency with minimum effort. Take a look at the techniques you are currently learning, practicing, or teaching and analyze them as to their efficiency and effectiveness. This philosophical mental discipline will improve not only your mind, but once applied, your physical execution of techniques as well. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest