Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:36:18 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #417 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: lineage, weight of the wannabee and new forms (sidtkd@aol.com) 2. RE: Glasses (Bathauer, Alia) 3. (no subject) (E. Montgomery) 4. RE: Glasses (David P. Zapencki) 5. Master Yun Kil Kim (Thomas Jensen) 6. RE: Glasses (Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)) 7. North Korean Demo Team in U.S. Update (gtkda@ntelos.net) 8. MA and glasses (Don Ross) 9. Athlete Development Seminar (The_Dojang) 10. Re: Re: Re: New Kukkiwon forms? (was Re: Which...) (Christopher Spiller) 11. Re: North Korean Demo Team in U.S. Update (Ray) 12. Re: Master Yun Kil Kim (Ray) 13. Re: Re: Re: Re: New Kukkiwon forms? (was Re: Which...) (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:38:36 -0400 From: sidtkd@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: lineage, weight of the wannabee and new forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I asked myself this question: What does martial arts lineage, the weight of the chubby wannabee and the prospect of new forms all have in common? Answer: Name three things I can think of that have absolutely no interest to me and yet will doubtless take up my time in the next few weeks. I e-mailed one of the wannabees masters the other day with the sobering news that he had been expelled from the Hapkido Association. The response? I am too negative and much has happened since then. Also I don't know the whole story. This notion of "not knowing the whole story" is a favorite technique of the rip-off artist. When confronted with lies, inconsistencies and downright fraud...a rip-off artist will always intimate that there is much more to be told and that at some point they will divulge it. Buyer beware! Sid ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Glasses Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:00:19 -0400 From: "Bathauer, Alia" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Word of warming - Hard contact lens can be as dangerous and perhaps more so then glasses for the wearer when there is a blow to the eye. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Boorstein [mailto:jonathanb_10003@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:47 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Glasses Lasik is an alternative for some. As are contact lenses. Also, having the student work without his or her glasses for things they are very comfortable doing -- a form, say, or kicking a bag, might help. The sports goggles are a good idea. Most bespectacled people I know, simply wear their glasses, not even with a strap to hold them in place, and don't give it any more thought. JB Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy wrote: I was wondering what you instructors suggest to your students who are very dependent on their glasses that they wear. Besides telling them to just "be careful", what alternatives to do suggest? I have suggested the sport-style googles with built in lenses, sort of what Kareem Abdul-Jabbar used to wear for the Lakers. If anyone can provide me with some links to sites with alternatives, I would appreciate it. Thank you all. James Morgan GTKDA _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:22:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "E. Montgomery" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think a lot of schools don't know their lineage because a lot of schools shut down after a year or so; on this note, you have a lot of first and second degree black belts who open schools. I trace the lineage of our school thus: GM Rhee taught Alan Stein, Mr. Stein taught Fred Wren, Mr. Wren taught Ray Amanat, Mr. Amanat taught us. When GM Rhee left ITF, our school left ITF. We don't do olympic TKD, but the old blood and guts TKD (frankly, the first time I saw olympic TKD I was astonished, it did not seem like it had a lot of practical application as a true martial art - don't hate me, it was my opinion and as someone else mentioned like another body part, everyone has one). We still do the old chung do kwan forms (no sine wave, no c-stepping) Chunji Hyung, Tan Gun, To Sun, Hwon Hyo, Yul Guk, Juin Guin, Tye Gye, Warang, Chung Mo, Chulgee, Balset (a couple of these were added by Mr. Wren because he thought black belts should have more forms). --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "David P. Zapencki" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Glasses Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:29 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Absolutely, that is why the WTF requires soft contact lenses... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bathauer, Alia [mailto:abathauer@nal.usda.gov] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:00 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Glasses Word of warming - Hard contact lens can be as dangerous and perhaps more so then glasses for the wearer when there is a blow to the eye. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Thomas Jensen" To: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:30:04 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Yun Kil Kim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, This is my first time posting here. I'm hoping you can help me. I'm looking for Master Yun Kil Kim, my first Taekwondo instructor. I trained under him in in the early 80's ('82-86) in Carpentersville, IL. He moved to Louisville, KY. I lost track of him then. I heard he moved on from there (possibly to the Philadelphia, PA area.) (This is not the Y.K. Kim of Florida). Any help you could be is appreciated. Thanks, Tom Jensen --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Glasses Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:59:22 -0400 From: "Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Lasik is THE way to go for those near-sighted types. I love it! 20/15 in each eye individually 20/10 when I use both eyes. I can almost see moves before they happen!!! LOL! Just kidding. There is nothing better than waking up in the morning with crystal clear vision, a solid investment. Just research your surgeon's statistics to see what kind of successes and complications they have had. Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Bathauer, Alia [mailto:abathauer@nal.usda.gov] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:00 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Glasses Word of warming - Hard contact lens can be as dangerous and perhaps more so then glasses for the wearer when there is a blow to the eye. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Boorstein [mailto:jonathanb_10003@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:47 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Glasses Lasik is an alternative for some. As are contact lenses. Also, having the student work without his or her glasses for things they are very comfortable doing -- a form, say, or kicking a bag, might help. The sports goggles are a good idea. Most bespectacled people I know, simply wear their glasses, not even with a strap to hold them in place, and don't give it any more thought. JB Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy wrote: I was wondering what you instructors suggest to your students who are very dependent on their glasses that they wear. Besides telling them to just "be careful", what alternatives to do suggest? I have suggested the sport-style googles with built in lenses, sort of what Kareem Abdul-Jabbar used to wear for the Lakers. If anyone can provide me with some links to sites with alternatives, I would appreciate it. Thank you all. James Morgan GTKDA _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:11:29 -0400 (EDT) From: gtkda@ntelos.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] North Korean Demo Team in U.S. Update Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net So, has anyone got an update on this tour that was supposed to happen? I take it with the North Koreans playing bully with nuculear weapons now that this has been permanently cancelled? Thanks. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:41:32 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] MA and glasses Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Morgan, My experience training in TKD is: wear the glasses for everything in class including 'instructional' sparring. For competition sparring and the 'tune-up sparring leading up to a tournament, no glasses. After forms are learned, I don't wear the glasses for them either. I also encourage students needing glasses to train and spar some of the time without them on. Because when you think about it, what is the first thing that's gonna happen in a parking-lot confrontation that becomes violent? You are gonna get punched in the face, and even if you block successfully, the vigorous dodge and weave will most likely dislodge your glasses anyway, so learn to fight without them, just MVVHO. I've had the glasses go flying during a spinning kick [also had the prosthetic eye come out during a fast spin too - which tends to unhinge an opponent BTW ]. So guess it boils down to wearing the glasses to see & learn the techniques, then apply them sans glasses. FWIW, under safe, controlled range conditions, it is also excellent practice for handgunners to run a magazine or two through without the glasses [wear non-prescription eye protection, though!], again to simulate a 'worst case' scenario. Hope this helps, Sir. pil seung, Don Ross No arsenal, no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. - Ronald Reagan [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:48:20 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Athlete Development Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Total Taekwondo and Fitness in Kettering, Ohio, will host a Taekwondo Athlete Development Seminar on Sunday, October 29. The seminar is delivered by Olympic gold medalist Herb Perez of the High Level Training Center Program. Registrations may be made at the High Level Training website. The Athlete Development Seminar will provide: Athlete skill assessment Technique and combination drills Application in partner drills Application in guided competitive environment Application in match sparring The seminar will serve as a great final tune-up for those athletes competing at the Senior Nationals in Cleveland, November 3-5. Date and Time: Sunday, Oct. 29 Noon-2pm Ages 11yrs + Fee: $50 each Seminar Location: Total Taekwondo and Fitness 1942 E. Stroop Rd. (next to Ace Hardware) Kettering, OH 45429 937-298-7119 Contact Info: Master Christina Bayley, Owner and Head Instructor Hotel Info: Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites (937) 424-5757 (937) 424-5758 5655 Wilmington Pike Centerville, OH 45459 Approx. 5-8 minutes from Total Taekwondo and Fitness (seminar location) --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Re: Re: New Kukkiwon forms? (was Re: Which...) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Anyone in particular doing the chattering? I mean actual office holders > at the Kukkiwon, people whose opinions would hold some credibility.<< >Committee chairman positions usually/frequently change about every year. So yes, it came from at least one former committee chair, and then other comments coming second hand.< I don't suppose you recall which former chairman said this and when it was? Also, do you recall where the statement was made? (On the net, via personal communique, etc.?) It doesn't really matter to me, as I'm not a Kukkiwon guy, I'm just curious as to see how likely this is to actually happen, and when (since you mentioned it's been kicking around for about 7 years so far). >> So... what? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, Ray.<< >My comment was in response to: "I do find it odd that they'd change them so soon after issuing a DVD series to (finally) standardize the performance of poomse,...".< Yeah, and my point was why bother to standardize if you're going to change things in a *major* way? Why the big push *now* in issuing a DVD series (which seems to have been the result of a fair amount of work)? Why start a World Poomse Championship *now*? From a logistics standpoint it doesn't make much sense (to me, anyway). Ah, well. Pax, Chris Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, There's always laughter and good red wine. At least I've always found it so. Benedicamus Domino! -Hilaire Belloc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] North Korean Demo Team in U.S. Update To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > So, has anyone got an update on this tour that was supposed to happen? I > take it with the North Koreans playing bully with nuculear weapons now > that this has been permanently cancelled? Just what little is at http://www.taekwondotimes.com/. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Yun Kil Kim To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > This is my first time posting here. I'm hoping you can help me. I'm looking > for Master Yun Kil Kim, my first Taekwondo instructor. I trained under him in > in the early 80's ('82-86) in Carpentersville, IL. He moved to Louisville, KY. > I lost track of him then. I heard he moved on from there (possibly to the > Philadelphia, PA area.) (This is not the Y.K. Kim of Florida). I'll email you an email addr or two of some folks that may, or may not, know. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Re: Re: New Kukkiwon forms? (was Re: Which...) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I don't suppose you recall which former chairman said this and when it > was? Also, do you recall where the statement was made? (On the net, via > personal communique, etc.?) Yes, I recall all that... :) > >> So... what? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, Ray.<< > > >My comment was in response to: "I do find it odd that they'd change them > so soon after issuing a DVD series to (finally) standardize the > performance of poomse,...".< > > Yeah, and my point was why bother to standardize if you're going to > change things in a *major* way? Why the big push *now* in issuing a DVD > series (which seems to have been the result of a fair amount of work)? > Why start a World Poomse Championship *now*? From a logistics standpoint > it doesn't make much sense (to me, anyway). Ah, well. Which brings us back to my original comment. The Kukkiwon has worked since the 1970s to standardize the poomase. This latest effort is just one more in a long line, each new one better than those that came before. One more book or DVD or web page or tourny that happened last month would seem to have little impact on what happens next month or next year, if ever... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest