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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Martial Arts Instructor Arrested, and Oaths... (J. Thomas Howard) 2. Being lumped together (tkdsid@aol.com) 3. 3rd Dan Grading (Oludipe O. Tolulope) 4. RE: video clips: martial arts camp (Piotr Bernat) 5. MA Instructor arrested (Gordon) 6. Re: RE: Martial Arts Instructor Arrested, and Oaths... (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 7. Third Dan Grading (Gordon) 8. Re: How Have Things Changed for Martial Arts (Richard Tomlinson) 9. College TKD (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J. Thomas Howard" To: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:17:35 -0600 Organization: Nebraska Hapkido Association Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Martial Arts Instructor Arrested, and Oaths... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Victor wrote: > I have read stories on the internet nearly every day > about a school teacher, administrator, police officer, > fireman, and yes car wash attendant that was arrested for > assault, rape, abuse, etc., etc., etc. > The difference here is that this is a Korean Martial > arts forum, therefore only topics that have a connection to > the Korean martial arts are posted. The fact that these > people took an oath to abide by the tenets of > TKD: > > courtesy, integrity, perseverance, self-control, and > indomitable spirit > > and they have violated that that oath and disregarded the > tenets is a matter worth discussing and sharing in the hopes > of enlightening and protecting others. > Sincerely, > Victor They have? All people who take TKD took an oath? That oath? I"d say that many people who study TKD haven't done any such thing. This isn't a slam on TKD, I'll bet that most martial artists haven't taken any oath either. This isn't to say that _some_ haven't--but saying that "all have" seems highly unlikely to me. (As a proof, I'll mention that I have a belt in TKD, and I've never taken an oath, nor have I recieted those particular tenets.) I think Melinda had an interesting point, though---often when it is a martial arts instructor, there is a larger "deal" made of the story, similar to what happens when it is a police officer, firefighter, child care provider, and a few other categories. But as George said in his post, "we ARE trusted with everybody's kids where secretaries and car wash attendants aren't." I think it is also the public's perception of martial artist which causes a problem---on the one hand, people think that all martial artists are trained killers (too many movies) and at the same time, supposed to be enlightened philosophers (waaaayyy too many movies and too much tv). As such, the media can make it a bigger "deal" when one of these icons (hey, doesn't it feel good to be an icon?) does something so terrible. Truthfully, I don't think that martial arts instructors have any larger percentage of criminals among them than pretty much any other category. On the other hand, I don't feel like we have any _smaller_ percentage, either, and I think that is a shame. If nothing else (ethically or morally) we, as a group, should at least have some self-discipline and self-control. Thomas H. Nebraska Hapkido Association hapkido.4t.com --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:52:38 -0500 From: tkdsid@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Being lumped together Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As a teacher I've seen daily rep[orts of child abuse. Not to mention Catholic priests etc. Why exactly should martial artist NOT be included? People that have contact with children are most likely to be among those that abuse children. Who, after all, has access? Secretaries, sanitation workers don't have access. That point is poorly considered. We OF COURSE must be included and parents should be wary of ANYONE with their kids...yes camp counselors too. Sincerely, Sid ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:10:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Oludipe O. Tolulope" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan Grading Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I haven't been in a Dojang for the better part of 3years but I intend to get promoted to 3rd Dan (WTF) by end of January (even if I break a leg@it ;) I've been informed I'll have to write a short paper on "Sports and the Martial Arts". Anyone got points? Wish me luck! --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Piotr Bernat" To: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:34:39 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: video clips: martial arts camp Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Markus, depending on the nationality of the instructor, the classes are taught in several languages and translated. English, Polish, German. Master Kytu speaks several languages, as you know. This year we had participants from Poland, England and Germany and nobody had any language problems :-) The next year's camp is scheduled for August. 10 days of MA fun as usual. Regards Piotr Bernat www.tae-kwon-do.pl --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:47:04 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] MA Instructor arrested Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Howard posted: We recite the tenants and the oath EVERY class session. The tenants of Tae Kwon Do, (5) normally, (we have 6) are: COURTESY, INTEGRITY, PERSEVERANCE, SELF CONTROL, INDOMITABLE SPIRIT and the 6th we added: VICTORY. These are our goals, and our creed for life. They govern our behavior with each other and keep a dangerous physical interaction we call martial arts civil and respectful. The oath we recite is 5 statements and goes like this: I shall observe the tenants of Tae Kwon Do. I shall respect the instructor and all seniors. I shall NEVER misuse Tae Kwon Do. I shall be a champion of freedom and justice. I shall build a more perfect world. This was drilled into me at white belt and every day I see how it helps my students and reminds me of my obligation to mentor them the best I can. Mr. Howard posted: This is why we recite the tenants and the oath. We discuss social skills in class. We have workshops on family and social interaction. We train the tomorrow's leaders. We train the sheepdogs for our society. Without a moral uprightness and virtuous aim we simply train killers. Gordon Okerstrom (not George) --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Martial Arts Instructor Arrested, and Oaths... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:58:55 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I did not say and should not say that "all have", but I did make the mistake of assuming that all Tae Kwon Do instructors teach some form of the tenets and recite the oath to observe those tenets. In my humble opinion, it is a mistake not to hold the students of Martial Arts to a higher level of responsibility and instill in them a sense of propriety as they are being taught some very powerful techniques that could seriously injure or kill someone. Without the mental conditioning that SHOULD accompany the physical conditioning, those martial arts instructors could be creating time bombs. It is akin to handing a sharp sword to a child who does not know when or why to use it, only how. Someone, likely the child, is going to get hurt. I disagree that the martial arts instructor is getting any disproportionate publicity. It is a matter of relativity. If you are a school teacher, you might feel that a school teacher that abused the public trust put in them was getting disproportionate publicity. As a member of the martial arts community, you are simply more sensitive to the broadcast of martial arts instructor as the criminal. And, yes, all who assume the responsibilty of teaching and caring for our children should be held up to such scrutiny. Does the public have a distorted sense of the martial arts community? Some people do believe everything they see in the movies and on TV (they also believe that the A Team was realistic), but that is a small number compared to the informed masses who understand that movies and TV are for entertainment, and do not reflect real life. In our community, the martial arts schools put on demonstrations to raise pulic awareness and raise money to help those in the community. THAT is the perception that really lasts. Unfortunately, when a "bad apple" shows up in that community, it makes our task much more difficult. I whole heartedly agree that the martial arts community should have a lower percentage of criminal elements in its midst. Perhaps, if all students were taught some code of ethics and sense of service to the community during their physical training, then that percentage would be lower. Respectfully yours, Victor jthhapkido@alltel .net To 11/21/2006 06:17 the_dojang@martialartsresource.net AM cc Subject Please respond to [The_Dojang] RE: Martial Arts the_dojang@martia Instructor Arrested, and Oaths... lartsresource.net Victor wrote: > I have read stories on the internet nearly every day > about a school teacher, administrator, police officer, > fireman, and yes car wash attendant that was arrested for > assault, rape, abuse, etc., etc., etc. > The difference here is that this is a Korean Martial > arts forum, therefore only topics that have a connection to > the Korean martial arts are posted. The fact that these > people took an oath to abide by the tenets of > TKD: > > courtesy, integrity, perseverance, self-control, and > indomitable spirit > > and they have violated that that oath and disregarded the > tenets is a matter worth discussing and sharing in the hopes > of enlightening and protecting others. > Sincerely, > Victor They have? All people who take TKD took an oath? That oath? I"d say that many people who study TKD haven't done any such thing. This isn't a slam on TKD, I'll bet that most martial artists haven't taken any oath either. This isn't to say that _some_ haven't--but saying that "all have" seems highly unlikely to me. (As a proof, I'll mention that I have a belt in TKD, and I've never taken an oath, nor have I recieted those particular tenets.) I think Melinda had an interesting point, though---often when it is a martial arts instructor, there is a larger "deal" made of the story, similar to what happens when it is a police officer, firefighter, child care provider, and a few other categories. But as George said in his post, "we ARE trusted with everybody's kids where secretaries and car wash attendants aren't." I think it is also the public's perception of martial artist which causes a problem---on the one hand, people think that all martial artists are trained killers (too many movies) and at the same time, supposed to be enlightened philosophers (waaaayyy too many movies and too much tv). As such, the media can make it a bigger "deal" when one of these icons (hey, doesn't it feel good to be an icon?) does something so terrible. Truthfully, I don't think that martial arts instructors have any larger percentage of criminals among them than pretty much any other category. On the other hand, I don't feel like we have any _smaller_ percentage, either, and I think that is a shame. If nothing else (ethically or morally) we, as a group, should at least have some self-discipline and self-control. Thomas H. Nebraska Hapkido Association hapkido.4t.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:17:28 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Third Dan Grading Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Oludipe O. Tolulope, Cool name. Are you from Nigeria? I assume that you are 2nd Dan now and have been for the last 3 years. Is this the same school you attended to get to 2nd Dan? Have you kept in touch with your instructor(s)? If you hadn't been in my dojang for the past 3 years, I would want to know where your mind was too. We would be sitting in my office talking about where you have been, what was going on in your life now and what your goals are for the future. Is it just to be 3rd Dan or is there something more? I would want to meet your family and your spouse or close friends. I would invite you to dinner or to stay late at the dojang for some higher rank discussions regarding responsibility for ones actions and the obligation to set the right example for your juniors. A short paper on "Sports and the Martial Arts" would be less than adequate for me. I would want, IN YOUR WORDS, your ambitions for the near and long term future. I would want to know where your heart is. Do you want to be a teacher? Do you want to open a school on your own or do you want my help? I would ask for a paper on "What Martial Arts Means to Me" or "What 3rd Dan Means to Me". It would be required before permission to test for 3rd Dan was granted. You said: "Even if I break a leg at it.", so I understand that you WANT it. I wish you well in your quest for higher rank. Bows, Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:12:14 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: How Have Things Changed for Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would love to hear any input on how Martial Arts has changed as far as how it fits in with other competition, an abundance of sports available to kids, (and do your school systems offer manditory PE Classes as part of their corriculum) AND anyone who operates a their own school, what are the difficulties you have? As far as the changes in the last 10 years, how do you deal with these changes. sandy --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:07:09 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] College TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sport TKD Finishes 2nd Behind Cornell 541-460 Tufts in 3rd with 200, MIT Maintains INCTL Lead By Ziyan Chu TEAM MEMBER MIT Only three weeks after hosting the first tournament of the 2006-2007 Ivy Northeast Collegiate Taekwondo (INCTL) season, MIT sport taekwondo sent 36 competitors to Cornell University this past weekend in an exhausting yet thrilling tournament, placing second among fifteen teams with 460 points. Among the schools represented were Harvard University, Columbia University, Tufts University, and a newcomer to the league, University of Michigan. Cornell won with 541 points, but MIT still holds the lead for the season with 1008 points to Cornell's 918. MIT began the day with high scores in the poomse (forms) competition. In this portion of the tournament, athletes are able to demonstrate the more artistic side of taekwondo in a choreographed sequence of blocks, punches, and kicks. Erica Y. Chan '07 placed third in the highly competitive women's black belt division. With an amazing display of power and flexibility, both Richard-Duane S. Chambers G and Rene R. Chen '07 placed first in their respective men's and women's red belt divisons. In the blue belt division, Christopher J. Han '09 took first in the men's competition while Christine M. Lee '09 and Corinna Hui '09 earned first and third respectively in the women's. All three competitors had consistently placed as green belts, and after earning blue belts only two weeks before the tournament they continued to lead against new opponents. Ning Wu G took first and Otoniel Tabares '09 followed closely with third place in the men's green belt division. Jaclyn J. Ho '09 tied for first in the women's green belt division and, in an exciting turn of events, performed her form a second time. After seeing her exceptional strength and agility, the judges awarded her first place. Also in that division was EunMee Yang '07, who placed third. In another challenging division, Elisabeth M. Markham '09 and Miranda J. Ha '07 place first and second respectively among women's white and yellow belts. The sparring competitions that followed provided a different challenge. In individual women's black belt sparring, JiHye Kim '10 breezed through several matches to place first in her division. In the advanced (A team) sparring division, Women's A1 (Chan, Chen, Sharon A. Lawrence '07, and Ziyan Chu '07) easily advanced to the finals, where Chan came from behind to even out the score against a tough Cornell competitor but the rest of the team couldn't prevail, leading to a second place overall finish. Up next were the beginner's (D team) sparring divisions, which gave the upper belts a chance to rest and cheer on their new teammates. Newcomer Stephanie C. Chan '09, the lone competitor in Women's D1, made her way to the top of her bracket and in a new team record, won her match 10–0 in only 26 seconds. Despite starting the sport of Taekwondo a mere eight weeks ago, she placed first in her division. In the novice (C team) divisions, both men's and women's teams fought in excellent matches against MIT's rival school, Cornell. Women's C1 (Ha, Yang, Markham) made it to the finals and came in second to the more experienced Cornell Women's C1. Ha fought beautifully using advanced tactics to win her match 10–0. Last came the intermediate (B team) division. In the semifinals, Women's B2 (Jennifer L. Caplin '07, Lee, Hui) fought Michigan B1. In a classic MIT move, Caplin won her round with a score of 8–4 after being down 2–3 after the first half. Hui scored on her opponent several times using her signature inside turning kick but lost the round in a close fight to a more experienced competitor. Women's B2 placed third in this tough division. On the other side of the bracket, Women's B1 (Chen, Lawrence, Chu) advanced with two victories into the finals to fight the same Michigan B1 team. This time, the MIT team was relentless. Chen easily beat her opponent 12–7, while Lawrence lost 4–5. After being down 4–6 in the first half, Chu came back into the ring with the advice of coach Conor F. Madigan G, scoring a head shot on her opponent in the last seconds of the round and winning 15–14, which gave the Women's B1 team a first finish in their division. The Men's B1 (Wu, Chambers, Han) team advanced match after match under the guidance of their coach Master Daniel B. Chuang in one of the most difficult divisions of the tournament, meeting rivals Cornell B1 in the finals. Wu lost in a close round 9–10. Han fought with his usual cool grace, scoring on his opponent with several beautiful double kicks, but couldn't overcome his weight disadvantage, so that the Men's B1 placed second in their division. The next INCTL meet is in Feb. 2007 at New York University. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest