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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: 3rd Dan Grading (WTSDA Bruce) 2. Re: Martial artist that abuse (sidtkd@aol.com) 3. yun mu kwan? (Jye nigma) 4. Re: Re: Martial artist that abuse (Jye nigma) 5. Re: 3rd Dan Grading (Jye nigma) 6. Re: yun mu kwan? (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 7. video clip: wrist control (Jye nigma) 8. Martial Arts Arrest (Artcrane) 9. Re: Re: Martial artist that abuse (Ray) 10. Re: Re: Martial artist that abuse (Tom) 11. Memorization (Ray) 12. Re: 3rd Dan Grading (WTSDA Bruce) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan Grading Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:50:04 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First start with an outline to give your paper direction. Using the internet is a great tool, as is the library. I was also required to write a paper for promotion. I utilized this site for help on specific information, and received some great feedback. Also used the internets search engines, I like www.dogepile.com. Enter in your topic several ways to receive differing results. The introduction of TKD into the Olympics would probably give you all you need, depending on the length. I first viewed writing a paper as just another requirement for promotion, breaking boards, hyungs etc. But I found it to be a great experience, and learned a lot. Good luck, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oludipe O. Tolulope" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:10 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan Grading >I haven't been in a Dojang for the better part of 3years but I intend to >get promoted to 3rd Dan (WTF) by end of January (even if I break a leg@it >;) > > I've been informed I'll have to write a short paper on "Sports and the > Martial Arts". > Anyone got points? > > Wish me luck! > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate > new house payment > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:35:49 -0500 From: sidtkd@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Martial artist that abuse Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here in sunny New York City, we have had three notable cases of child abusers. Upon investigation it was reported that in all three cases these abuses were going on for quite some time and the so-called masters were multiple abusers with criminal records. Now...to resurrect my mantra....would it not be beneficial to license masters, fingerprint them under a certification process and unlicense them for this kind of behavior?? As a school teacher I have to undergo this, as a college teacher part time I underwent this and yes I'd do it again!!!! Although my perception is that martial arts teachers are still held in high regard, it won't last long unless there is some mechanism to control abuses as there are in other professions. Just one more point...I don't blame parents and kids for not reporting. It's the nature of the abuse that the abuser coerces the victim into silence. As for code of ethics...every student in my school recites the Code of the Hwa Rang Do, must repeat it for every test and will fail on that alone if not remembered. I have demoted a few students that showed disrespect in the dojo and recently asked one student to leave for a racist comment, If we don't teach respect, humility and decency; the hell with a good side kick! Sid ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:04:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] yun mu kwan? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has anyone ever heard of a Yun Mu Kwan instructor named Min Pai? here is a portion of a email I received about yun mu kwan: It used to be Yun Mu Kwan, now it's Nabi Su Kwan. You won't find it anywhere else except a rare Okinowan style that uses similar hand postures. --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's -in less than one year. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:14:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Martial artist that abuse To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The idea of fingerprinting MA is a bad idea. I don't need to be fingerprinted for my career so why in the world would I want to do it for MA? The bottom line is this, no matter what organization no matter what career, you can't stop abusers. Hell, we haven't gotten a grip on dealing with children predators yet. So, what can be done is if someone is guilty of unethical behavior, the organization they are with can and should drop them and revoke their license/certification. That's about it. That's about as far as it should go in my opinion. Martial arts were for the people usually for the oppressed to deal with the oppressors, nowadays, people are making it like corporate america, infested with politics, and trying to get the government involved in it. which only spells trouble. jye sidtkd@aol.com wrote: Here in sunny New York City, we have had three notable cases of child abusers. Upon investigation it was reported that in all three cases these abuses were going on for quite some time and the so-called masters were multiple abusers with criminal records. Now...to resurrect my mantra....would it not be beneficial to license masters, fingerprint them under a certification process and unlicense them for this kind of behavior?? As a school teacher I have to undergo this, as a college teacher part time I underwent this and yes I'd do it again!!!! Although my perception is that martial arts teachers are still held in high regard, it won't last long unless there is some mechanism to control abuses as there are in other professions. Just one more point...I don't blame parents and kids for not reporting. It's the nature of the abuse that the abuser coerces the victim into silence. As for code of ethics...every student in my school recites the Code of the Hwa Rang Do, must repeat it for every test and will fail on that alone if not remembered. I have demoted a few students that showed disrespect in the dojo and recently asked one student to leave for a racist comment, If we don't teach respect, humility and decency; the hell with a good side kick! Sid ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Sponsored Link $200,000 mortgage for $660/mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt, home equity - Click now for info --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan Grading To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net be careful when using the internet for research. There is alot of good info and alot of bad info. Jye WTSDA Bruce wrote: First start with an outline to give your paper direction. Using the internet is a great tool, as is the library. I was also required to write a paper for promotion. I utilized this site for help on specific information, and received some great feedback. Also used the internets search engines, I like www.dogepile.com. Enter in your topic several ways to receive differing results. The introduction of TKD into the Olympics would probably give you all you need, depending on the length. I first viewed writing a paper as just another requirement for promotion, breaking boards, hyungs etc. But I found it to be a great experience, and learned a lot. Good luck, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oludipe O. Tolulope" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:10 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan Grading >I haven't been in a Dojang for the better part of 3years but I intend to >get promoted to 3rd Dan (WTF) by end of January (even if I break a leg@it >;) > > I've been informed I'll have to write a short paper on "Sports and the > Martial Arts". > Anyone got points? > > Wish me luck! > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate > new house payment > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] yun mu kwan? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:45:11 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I found this link when I searched Google for "Min Pai Yun Mu Kwan" http://www.holistic-arts.com/ht/lg_resume.html Maybe Dr. Galante can help. kingjye@yahoo.com 11/22/2006 11:04 To AM the_dojang@martialartsresource.net cc Please respond to Subject the_dojang@martia [The_Dojang] yun mu kwan? lartsresource.net Has anyone ever heard of a Yun Mu Kwan instructor named Min Pai? here is a portion of a email I received about yun mu kwan: It used to be Yun Mu Kwan, now it's Nabi Su Kwan. You won't find it anywhere else except a rare Okinowan style that uses similar hand postures. --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's -in less than one year. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip: wrist control Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/p.swf?video_id=2REG3-Wb5gM&eurl=http%3A//static5.sjl.youtube.com/vi/2REG3-Wb5gM/2.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskJOshibL_pX7JDmax4kujJE --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Artcrane" To: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:53:08 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Arrest Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We as Martial Arts Instructors should take the Oath as we are entrusted with children who look up to us as their teachers, and leaders. We recite the tenets of TKD in almost every class, and should be held to higher standards becasue we are trusted by children, and their parents. If the tenets are not part of your curriculum, you should not be in the business of instructing, especially kids and teens. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Martial artist that abuse To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:55:27 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Now...to resurrect my mantra....would it not be beneficial to license > masters, fingerprint them under a certification process and unlicense them > for this kind of behavior?? No. > As a school teacher I have to undergo this, as a college teacher part time > I underwent this and yes I'd do it again!!!! And has that stopped teachers and college instructors from being involved in similar criminal activity? No, it has not. Time, yet again, to move off this topic. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:41:56 -0500 From: Tom To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Martial artist that abuse Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just one more comment on this subject. The US Chung Do Kwan and GM Ed Sell require a background check on all TKD instructors in the organization. I believe this requirement has been in place for a few years and there were a number of instructors that were grand fathered in thereby not having a background check.. The USCDKA is an example of a private enterprise taking action on its own to protect its good name and the USCDKA overall. Ray wrote: >> Now...to resurrect my mantra....would it not be beneficial to license >> masters, fingerprint them under a certification process and unlicense them >> for this kind of behavior?? >> > > No. > > >> As a school teacher I have to undergo this, as a college teacher part time >> I underwent this and yes I'd do it again!!!! >> > > And has that stopped teachers and college instructors from being involved > in similar criminal activity? No, it has not. > > Time, yet again, to move off this topic. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:18:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Memorization Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > We as Martial Arts Instructors should take the Oath as we are entrusted with > children who look up to us as their teachers, and leaders. We recite the > tenets of TKD in almost every class, and should be held to higher standards > becasue we are trusted by children, and their parents. If the tenets are not > part of your curriculum, you should not be in the business of instructing, > especially kids and teens. I would venture to say that the majority of KMA, or even just TKD, instructors do not make use of "tenets". Even those that do, how many actually take time to teach them, over and over and over again? If not, then all you are really doing is teaching the little kids how to memorize and recite. IMHO. I'd rather see the martial arts instructor tie advancement in rank to a kid doing well (or improving) in school. Live by some basic tenets, don't just make the students memorize something. Instruct by personal example. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan Grading Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:01:00 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net sorry, that's www.dogpile.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan Grading > First start with an outline to give your paper direction. > > Using the internet is a great tool, as is the library. I was also > required to write a paper for promotion. I utilized this site for help on > specific information, and received some great feedback. Also used the > internets search engines, I like www.dogepile.com. Enter in your topic > several ways to receive differing results. The introduction of TKD into > the Olympics would probably give you all you need, depending on the > length. > > I first viewed writing a paper as just another requirement for promotion, > breaking boards, hyungs etc. But I found it to be a great experience, and > learned a lot. > > Good luck, > > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oludipe O. Tolulope" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:10 AM > Subject: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan Grading > > >>I haven't been in a Dojang for the better part of 3years but I intend to >>get promoted to 3rd Dan (WTF) by end of January (even if I break a leg@it >>;) >> >> I've been informed I'll have to write a short paper on "Sports and the >> Martial Arts". >> Anyone got points? >> >> Wish me luck! >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Sponsored Link >> >> Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - >> Calculate new house payment >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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