Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:58:28 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #476 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. April 13-15, 2007 Event (Thomas Gordon) 2. Reply to Sid (Frank Clay) 3. RE: Re: Meaning of Dan GM Chun (Master Mark Seidel) 4. Re: won-hyo video clip (Christopher Spiller) 5. Re: Re: won-hyo video clip (Jye nigma) 6. Afghanistan (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:07:22 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] April 13-15, 2007 Event Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone, After working out most of the details and visiting with Grand Master Timmerman, we will be hosting a weekend seminar event from April 13 to April 15. Similar to the Gathering in California, Jackson event, and others like it around the world, we'll host various seminars by different instructors. So far I've got commitments from about a dozen martial artists with master level ranking in Hapkido, KukSoolWon, KongShinBup, Taekwondo, & TongSooDo from instructors in ATA, IHF, ITTA, ITF, NKMAA, USKMAF, & WHA offering seminars in kicking drills, knife, cane, punch defense, short sticks, rope, and others. I've done my best to keep this an open seminar with various organizations and styles being represented. Still a few instructors short and will try to wrap up the instructor list in the next 30-60 days. Met with the hotel people today and, assuming everything works out, the hotel will be within view of Interstate 10. Speaking of that, we are very easy to get to. Get to interstate 10 and drive until you see Florida Exit 56 - that's us. http://urlsnip.com/549390 If you're flying in, airport code is VPS and about 20-25 minutes away. If that doesn't work out, go for PNS but you'll need to drive about 45-55 minutes. For those sun lovers, this is part of our spring break time and beautiful Destin beaches are only about 30 miles away. And to boot, April is long before Hurricane season! :) I'll get all this posted once I get the instructor list closer to being done and the hotel "for sure" confirmed. If you'd like more information, drop me an email at tgordon@gordonmartialarts.com Thanks for taking the time to read. Thomas Gordon Crestview, Florida --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:13:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Reply to Sid Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sid, This sentence is the one I generally take issue with: "But remember this is a business and the tough standards of yesterday will not cut it today." Rank testing is not so much from yesterday as this morning. Yesterday, we did not have rank tests for money. That is a new invention, in my mind, pretty unique to the Japanese/Korean traditions beginning around WWII. Tough is doing it just because and for no outward recognition. I'm not espousing that we give rank away or make it easier. I'd rather see us go back to the original model that was based purely on performance. How many egos would be kept in check then? Along this vein, I have heard the question posed who would give up their black belt? To which I'd counter, find mine. My dan certificate is put away and I rarely wear a belt. I usually teach in a hanbok pants and a t-shirt. A jacket if its cold. I only wear a dobok when I know I need stronger clothing. I think the rank thing is symptomatic of our current state of big egos. That doesn't mean everyone has one, so please don't get me wrong. f. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Meaning of Dan GM Chun Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:19:21 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interesting observation Sid; a student of I knew Richard Chun promoted her to 4th Dan TKD and 2nd Dan Hapkido in 4 years; when I worked with her at 3rd Dan level she could not perform Tae Baek and her Hapikdo skills were a few Military wrist locks at best, in my opinion wasn't even 1st Dan material. I guess even Gm Chun changed his standards as years went by. Regards Mark -----Original Message----- From: sidtkd@aol.com [mailto:sidtkd@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:31 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Meaning of Dan Frank and others: On this point I am truly of two minds. I started in Moo Duk Kwan in 1964. My instructor was Richard Chun who then was a third dan. His skill level was nothing short of amazing. The original group that he promoted to first dan were astounding to be sure. It took us five years to reach first dan and we never knew when the next dan test would come. We knew only that Master Chun would tell us six months in advance so that we could brush up. The arts have grown enormously since then and as you would expect, many people got dans that would never have made red belt in those days. But for someone that hasn't trained in a long time, to suddenly test for 3rd dan is pushing it quite a bit I should think. While I don't think a return to white belt is called for...I would think that 6-12 months of reorientation is called for. But remember this is a business and the tough standards of yesterday will not cut it today. Sid ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: won-hyo video clip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>I think that the stances are incorrect. His forward and back stances are not proper. Other than that, it looked pretty good. I think the stance thing is how the ITF perform them. It could be their way of doing it. Master Eddie Urbistondo<< >From what I recall of the video in question the stances are *not* indicative of how the ITF performs them. (I admit, however, that after my initial viewing of the video I deleted the link in an attitude that can only be described as less than enthusiastic.) If you're interested in seeing up to date ITF performances of ITF patterns I'd suggest visiting the following: http://www.nuneztkd.com/patterns.htm http://www.nuneztkd.com/video/patterns/Won%20Hyo%20by%20Nunez.WMV (for Won-Hyo in particular) Hope this helps. Pax, Chris Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, There's always laughter and good red wine. At least I've always found it so. Benedicamus Domino! -Hilaire Belloc ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:03:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: won-hyo video clip To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net nice videos. just noticed some problems with balance in a couple videos. I hope as TKD goes on and maybe new forms get added, that we'll see more soft and hard forms, and forms who's movements have martial applications. Quick question, has anyone on this list developed any new TKD forms? Jye Christopher Spiller wrote: >>I think that the stances are incorrect. His forward and back stances are not proper. Other than that, it looked pretty good. I think the stance thing is how the ITF perform them. It could be their way of doing it. Master Eddie Urbistondo<< >From what I recall of the video in question the stances are *not* indicative of how the ITF performs them. (I admit, however, that after my initial viewing of the video I deleted the link in an attitude that can only be described as less than enthusiastic.) If you're interested in seeing up to date ITF performances of ITF patterns I'd suggest visiting the following: http://www.nuneztkd.com/patterns.htm http://www.nuneztkd.com/video/patterns/Won%20Hyo%20by%20Nunez.WMV (for Won-Hyo in particular) Hope this helps. Pax, Chris Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, There's always laughter and good red wine. At least I've always found it so. Benedicamus Domino! -Hilaire Belloc ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:09:58 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Afghanistan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Afghanistan to present new image in Asian Games Wednesday November 29, 2006 Pak Tribune KABUL: Doha-bound Afghans will present a new image of the war-torn country and vie for medals in taekwondo, karate and wrestling in the Asian Games, said an Afghan sports official. "We have two major goals for the Games. The first one is to show a new Afghanistan, which suffered decades of war, to the world," said Ghulam Jilani Ghurob, spokesperson of the Afghan National Olympic Committee. An Afghan delegation of 86 members, including 51 athletes, is to participate in the Dec 1-15 Games in Doha, Qatar. "The delegation wants to display that Afghanistan is experiencing peace after war and is undertaking reconstruction," Ghurob added. He said the second goal was to show Afghans' active participation in international sporting events and to bring pride to the country by winning some medals. According to Ghurob, Afghans have a good prospect of winning medals in taekwondo, karate and wrestling. Afghan athletes will participate in 11 sports - karate, track and field, bodybuilding, boxing, basketball, snooker, fencing, judo, taekwondo, wushu and wrestling. The Afghan delegation includes five women athletes, which was unthinkable during the Taliban regime. During the extremist Taliban regime (1996-2001), Afghan women were not allowed to participate in sports competitions and were even forbidden from education and work. Afghanistan was banned by the International Olympic Committee from the 1998 Asian Games in Bangkok, as the Taliban regime carried out extremist policies in politics, social affairs and sports. Ghurob said over a dozen expatriates based in the US, Britain and Australia would represent Afghanistan in the Doha Games. Because of long-time war, millions of Afghan refugees still stay overseas, although about five million refugees have come back since the collapse of the Taliban regime in late 2001. Due to a shortage of facilities, most Afghan athletes had to go to Iran or India to receive training weeks ahead of the Asian Games. According to a taekwondo coach, an Afghan gold medallist would be awarded with $200 by the government, a silver medallist $150 dollars and a bronze $100. "Despite various difficulties, we would actively join the coming Asian Games, and try to find more friends across the world especially in Asia," added Ghurob. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest