>From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #483 - 10 msgs >Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:58:30 -0800 > >Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to > the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." > > ><<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> > >Serving the Internet since June 1994. >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. >2,100 members. > >See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine >for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com > >Pil Seung! > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Kurtz (RICHARD LAWS (RICHARD.LAWS)) > 2. RE: Experiencing Korean art of self-defence >(PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) > 3. Re: Moodukkwan (tkdsid@aol.com) > 4. WTF, ITF Agree (The_Dojang) > 5. Blinders Off (rwood) > 6. MDK promotion (George Peters) > 7. Michigan Bobby Moore (Bobby Moore) > 8. Re: Re: Moodukkwan (Ray) > 9. Re: Re: Moodukkwan (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) > 10. Re: Re: Moodukkwan (Ray) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:19:50 -0000 >From: "RICHARD LAWS \(RICHARD.LAWS\)" >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Kurtz >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Sorry >He's Polish, thanks >Rich > >[demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a >name of winmail.dat] > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Experiencing Korean art of self-defence >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:42:00 -0000 >From: >To: >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >As someone that does ITF TKD I wouldn't say that I'm mad but it's >strange to read that the name was born in 1955 yet they don't seem to >know its origins?!! Obviously the Gen Choi version would answer that >question. Korea has been a divided country for centuries. Here in the >UK we have rugby league and rugby union. Same name different codes. >English national Rugby union team even used to sing a different national >anthem! Jerusalem. Moreover I cannot and will not call TKD a sport for I >think it demeaning, because in my eyes it's an art. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] >Sent: 01 December 2006 16:42 >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Experiencing Korean art of self-defence > >I think ITFers will be mad as hell when they read this, and get to the >part about TKD origins...lol. > > Jye > > >The_Dojang wrote: > Experiencing Korean art of self-defence >By Huraizah Ahmad >Borneo Bulletin > >'Taekwondo' truly represents an art of self-defence that is all and >uniquely Korean. A visit to Korea without experiencing the art of >Taekwondo for oneself is incomplete. > >Four journalists from the Philippines and Brunei Darussalam including >the writer had the opportunity to experience for themselves the basic >techniques of Taekwondo in its true form during their recent visit to >Seoul. They were introduced to a master of the sport - Master Ryan An >- at his academy in Seoul. > >Master Ryan An has mastered Taekwondo for a number of years and his >love for the sport has encouraged him and his wife to establish their >own Taekwondo academy where they teach young children as well as >foreign visitors to experience the martial art for themselves. > >The exclusive one-day Taekwondo training was tailored for the >journalists who wanted to study the art of self-defence. > >After participating in some stretching exercises and understanding the >basics of the heavy safety gears that the journalists had to don, they >were expected to break the individual Taekwondo boards using the mere >force of untrained fists. > >Although some may relate 'Taekwondo' as the "Korean Karate", the >martial art has since the beginning of time caught the attention of a >number of international followers. > >The traditional Korean martial art directly translates to the word >'The Way of Kicking and Striking'. This art form uses the force of the >hands and feet to challenge an opponent and its precise kick movements >have become the trademark of the sport. > >Its strength in the Korean roots has made a group of Korean martial >art leaders to choose Taekwondo as a dominating Korean martial art in >1955 and it has since drew strong followers internationally. > >Although its origin may still be unknown, some have their own ideas of >how it came about. > >According to some beliefs, the art has been linked to Korea's >three-kingdom era when the Silla Dynasty warriors, the Hwarang, began >to develop a martial art that was then known as 'Tae Kyon' meaning >foot-hand. > >Others feel that Taekwondo began as a form of Chinese boxing, which >was established at the Shaolin Temple in 520 BC by Bodhidharma, the >founder of Zen Buddhism. > >A third possibility is that Taekwondo developed from Japanese or >Okinawan Karate. > >However, strong testimonials have attributed the origins of Taekwondo >to the influences of other Asian martial art techniques combined with >traditional Korean techniques of kickboxing. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > >--------------------------------- >Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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If you do not believe >that >you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. >If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and >telephone >the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 07:50:51 -0500 >From: tkdsid@aol.com >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Moodukkwan >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Question: If one is a member of Taekwondo Mooduk kwan, do they get their >dan rank from the kukkiwon? > > >Sid >________________________________________________________________________ >Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security >tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, >free AOL Mail and more. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 06:39:56 -0800 >From: The_Dojang >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF, ITF Agree >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >WTF, ITF Agree on Formation of Taekwondo Integration Coordination Committee >The Seoul Times > >DOHA, Qatar —- The World Taekwondo Federation and the International >Taekwondo Federation agreed on the establishment of a coordination >committee to discuss integration matters of the two taekwondo bodies >here on Dec. 2, 2006. > >The agreement was signed between WTF President Chungwon Choue and ITF >President Ung Chang, the North Korean member of the International >Olympic Committee. > >Under the pact, the two parties will set up the Coordination Committee >for Taekwondo Integration, which will start on simultaneous >discussions regarding the integration of technical and administrative >aspects of the two taekwondo bodies. > >Both parties, however, agreed to first reach an agreement on the >integration of technical matters before any decision can be taken on >administrative integration, in respect of their initial agreement on >June 28, 2005. > >The committee will consist of one co-chairman at the vice-presidential >level and three to five members, including the chairman of the >Technical Committee, from each party. > >The two sides also agreed that the operations of the committee will be >decided through consultations between the two sides. > >The two sides met on four occasions in Beijing, China for the >formation of the coordination committee. The first round of >working-level talks took place on June 28, 2005, with the second and >third rounds of talks on Aug. 30, 2005 and Feb. 24, 2006, >respectively. The fourth and final meeting was held on Nov. 24-25, >2006. > >The integration talks between the two taekwondo organizations >restarted after the meeting among the presidents of the IOC, the WTF >and the ITF, at the IOC headquarters on June 3, 2005. > >On Sept. 20, 2006, the three met again at the headquarters of the IOC, >where the IOC president coordinated the ongoing WTF-ITF talks. The IOC >President proposed that the coordination committee start >simultaneously discussions on technical and administrative aspects of >the two bodies "under the condition that an agreement should first be >reached on the subject of integration of technical rules before any >decision can be taken on administrative merger integration." > >The talks on integration matters between the two taekwondo >organizations date back to January 1982, when the two sides held their >first round of talks in Vancouver, Canada. In 1980, the IOC recognized >the WTF as the sole international body governing the world's >taekwondo. > >On Aug. 20, 2003, the WTF and the ITF announced a mutual agreement on >the integration matters of the two bodies during the 2003 Universiade >in Daegu, Korea, but failed to materialize because of former WTF >President Un-yong Kim's scandal. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: "rwood" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 09:39:49 -0600 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Blinders Off >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Sid wrote: >Joe Cheavens said it better than I ever could. I elect to >hurl if I hear this >nonsense about the ancient art of taekwondo. It is more >aptly, the modern art of >competetive sports competition in a martial arts mode. > > >Sid > >Sir, > >With respect, you tend to paint with a broad brush. All >Taekwondo (TKD) practitioners are NOT Olympic competitors. >Yes, as a TKD practitioner, I agree that TKD is NOT an >ancient art. All the research I have done points to TKD as >being a culmination of several martial arts (MA). The MAs >involved can be traced to the influence of China and India >before the Japanese occupation of Korea, where Karate was >the “flavor of the month.” The style of TKD I study has >it’s roots in Kong Soo Do. Kong Soo Do is the Korean term >for Karate. We are very “Okinawan” in stances and hand >techniques. When we spar it is a continuous round; all >qualified hits count as one point, which somewhat levels the >field between punchers and kickers. No hands to the head, >however kicks to the head (not the face) are permitted. >These are a safety and insurance concession. Oh, to qualify >as a point the forward momentum of your opponent must be >stopped. So the contact is fairly heavy without it being >dangerous. Yes, we do jumpy – spinny kicks; however the >kicks are primarily for conditioning, strength training, and >flexibility. During self defense drills and even sparring >drills the emphasis is “straight” kicks (front snap >kick, side kick, round house, etc). Self defense is taught >using the gross motor skill responses and opposed to fine >motor skills which deteriorate under stress. I participated >as a time keeper and score keeper in the Missouri Show Me >State Game. It is an open touremant for martial artist in >Missouri. I saw different styles of TKD and came to this >conclusion; MA is a tool; therefore the way in which the >tool is used in not a reflection on the tool, but the user. >My point is this; not all TKD is the same, just as not all >Hapkido is the same, just as all martial artists are not the >same. > > >IHS, >Rob Wood > >He who ignores disciple comes to poverty and shame, >but whoever heeds correction is honored. >Proverbs 13:18 > >This electronic communication is from Moberly Public Schools, >and is confidential, privileged, and intended only for the >use of the recipient(s) named above. Any unauthorized disclosure, >distribution, >or use of the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. >If you have received this message in error, please notify the >CIS Department immediately at the following e-mail address: >tech@moberly.k12.mo.us or by calling 660-269-2665. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >From: "George Peters" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:59:55 -0500 >Subject: [The_Dojang] MDK promotion >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Good Sirs: >Oh boy, here we go again!! >Respectfully, >George > >_________________________________________________________________ >WIN up to $10,000 in cash or prizes – enter the Microsoft Office Live >Sweepstakes http://clk..atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0050001581mrt/direct/01/ > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:16:06 -0600 >From: "Bobby Moore" >To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Michigan Bobby Moore >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Rudy writes: >"Hi Bobby. Glad you joined us. Used to know a Bobby Moore in >Michigan...great competitor. Probably not the same, but worth a shot." > >Sorry Rudy but it was not I. I am a lifelong Southern boy, living in Texas >for several years and then coming to Mississippi and attending college. >Somehow I got stuck in MS after college, but I maintain hope of escape one >day. Until then it is not too bad here. > >Bobby Moore > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >From: Ray >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Moodukkwan >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:12:45 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > Question: If one is a member of Taekwondo Mooduk kwan, do they get >their > > dan rank from the kukkiwon? > >Most of the time, yes. > >The process is similar to some (all?) of the other TKD kwan systems. You >must have your kukkiwon dan and then you may also obtain your "root" dan >certificate. So you essentially end up with two certs, both say you are an >Nth Dan. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Moodukkwan >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:00:11 -0600 >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >This does not seem to be the case for Professor Eugene A. Humesky. >According to his web site: > >http://www.utbtaekwondo.us/grandmaster_eugene_a_humesky_credentials.html > >he obtained his Dan ranking from the Chang Moo Kwan, ITF, KTA/Kukkiwon and >USKA among others and there is no consistent order from one dan rank to the >next as to which would be issued first. Granted, this is an extraordinary >individual, but the recorded and published chronology is also >extraordinary. > >Victor > > > > > rterry@idiom.com > > 12/04/2006 12:12 To > PM the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > cc > > Please respond to Subject > the_dojang@martia Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Moodukkwan > lartsresource.net > > > > > > > > > > > Question: If one is a member of Taekwondo Mooduk kwan, do they get >their > > > dan rank from the kukkiwon? > >Most of the time, yes. > >The process is similar to some (all?) of the other TKD kwan systems. You >must have your kukkiwon dan and then you may also obtain your "root" dan >certificate. So you essentially end up with two certs, both say you are an >Nth Dan. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >From: Ray >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Moodukkwan >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:16:36 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > This does not seem to be the case for Professor Eugene A. Humesky. > > According to his web site: > >As I understand it, he once got in trouble with Gen. Choi for being ITF as >well as WTF/Kukkiwon. Years later Gen. Choi's son reversed that situation. >So you may see some dates and rank time spans related to that issue. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >http://the-dojang.net > >Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang > >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com >Standard disclaimers apply. >Remember September 11. > > >End of The_Dojang Digest