Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:58:29 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #10 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Dan Tien/Dan Jun Ho Hup (Frank Clay) 2. Dan Jun Breathing and the military (Frank Clay) 3. Re: Re: Dan tien and "teaching" martial arts (Joseph Cheavens) 4. Re: GM Han (ISA Headquarters) 5. RE: "endurance", "breathing", "teaching", "skills".... (Cayson, Clint) 6. Doing things correctly for a very long time (J R Hilland) 7. RE: Doing things correctly for a very long time (michael tomlinson) 8. Nose versus mouth breathing. (Damian Adams) 9. Bong Soo Han press release (Hapkido) 10. Re: Nose versus mouth breathin (Ray) 11. Re: Dan Jun Breathing and the military (WTSDA Bruce) 12. First night of BJJ (Jon Payne) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:25:33 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dan Tien/Dan Jun Ho Hup Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You don't "really" breath from your Dan Tien. It is an illustration. You breath deeply using the diaphragm to pull in as much air as you can. Metaphysically, it is said that when you do this, Ki/Qi/Prana circulates and the Dan Tien is one of the places you want it to accumulate. Sometimes this area is called the Sea of Ki. The idea is that, like their brains, people don't thoroughly use their lungs. So you are being trained to use the diaphragm like a bellows and bring in more air while expiring more "stale" air. Hope this helps. f. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:29:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dan Jun Breathing and the military Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce, You actually bring up a very good point... and its not limited to snipers. The three step breathing method used in the breath control meditation that is supposed to increase and store ki, is exactly the type of breathing you learn when learning to fire a rifle. Great observation. Just don't go zenish when you go in the gas chamber. I tried that when I was a kid and about the third breath or so found I had a really big problem. ;P f. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan tien and "teaching" martial arts Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:18:00 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Breathing through the nose has a number of benefits. The nasal passages do a vastly better job than your mouth at filtering out inpurities in the air (think snot), warm the air to body temp, and moisten it, all of which make the air you breath more user friendly for your lungs. Another benefit, from a sparring/fighting point of view is that if you are breathing through your mouth, you are more likely to get KOed, as an open mouth lines the hinge of the jaw up better for the KO. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Anderson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan tien and "teaching" martial arts Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 07:40:18 -0800 (PST) I've heard this a lot but never understood why it's important to breathe through the nose. Could someone please elaborate? Thanks, Jeremy Anderson. --- sidtkd@aol.com wrote: > The best we can do is avoid breathing through our mouths when > sparring. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place!  MSN Shopping Sales & Deals --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:04:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: GM Han Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On January 8, 2007 at 6:00PM PST Grand Master Bong Soo Han peacefully passed away while at his home in Santa Monica surrounded by his family and friends. They are in the process of finalizing arrangements for his memorial and services. As soon as the details have been finalized, they will post details on the site. http://www.bongsoohanhapkido.com/ Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14305 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:45:14 -0500 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: "endurance", "breathing", "teaching", "skills".... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wow, I didn't realize that the topic went this far... I like all the ideas and inputs on the matter that was originally discussed. It only proves that this forum has plenty of geniuses. Komawoyo! Clint --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:45:34 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Doing things correctly for a very long time Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net These days it is common for those qualified and even those not, to want to start their own martial art, or their own ‘style’ within their chosen martial art. Often, for some unknown reason, many want to collect rank in other arts, maybe to simply pad their biography, I really don't know, understand, or care. They may also sell or obtain rank by video or seminars. This continues to baffle me as it is just as valuable as if you printed one yourself on your computer (and a lot cheaper). These are only a few of the things wrong with martial arts today... However! Every so often, although not often enough, someone comes along and promotes their art, not themselves! They don’t change things that time has shown don’t need changed. They earned their rank, so they don’t give it away or sell it. If you study with them, you have to earn your rank just as they did, by putting in the time. They do not try and get you to join their organization. They simply show you a glimpse of the art they have spent a lifetime working on. Their only agenda is to promote their chosen art. Master Han, simply demonstrated, by example, everything that is right in hapkido. -- On Monday, January 8, 2007 at 8:00PM Central Time, Master Han Bong Soo peacefully passed away while at his home in Santa Monica surrounded by his family and friends. -- A true hapkidoin 1931-2007 Han Bong Soo Kwanjangnim You will be missed Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.rrhapkido.com "Martial arts success is not measured by the destination, but rather by the distance traveled, and what is learned along the way!" - www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Doing things correctly for a very long time Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:59:13 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I totally agree with this post by Jere, GM Han was like the beam of light in the lighthouse when it comes to Hapkido....he truly lit the way for many of us to get a glimpse of the Hapkido shoreline and then set our feet on the land of Hapkido, without him and his influence Hapkido would be no where near as prevalent as it is today...all of this and still he stayed humble, respectful, and truthful to himself and Hapkido, if there is a Hapkido Heaven you know he is there doing those marvelous kicks and smiling at everyone..... Michael Tomlinson >From: "J R Hilland" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Doing things correctly for a very long time >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:45:34 -0600 > >These days it is common for those qualified and even those not, to want to >start their own martial art, or their own ‘style’ within their chosen >martial art. Often, for some unknown reason, many want to collect rank in >other arts, maybe to simply pad their biography, I really don't know, >understand, or care. They may also sell or obtain rank by video or >seminars. >This continues to baffle me as it is just as valuable as if you printed one >yourself on your computer (and a lot cheaper). These are only a few of the >things wrong with martial arts today... > >However! Every so often, although not often enough, someone comes along and >promotes their art, not themselves! They don’t change things that time has >shown don’t need changed. They earned their rank, so they don’t give it >away >or sell it. If you study with them, you have to earn your rank just as they >did, by putting in the time. They do not try and get you to join their >organization. They simply show you a glimpse of the art they have spent a >lifetime working on. Their only agenda is to promote their chosen art. >Master Han, simply demonstrated, by example, everything that is right in >hapkido. > >-- On Monday, January 8, 2007 at 8:00PM Central Time, Master Han Bong Soo >peacefully passed away while at his home in Santa Monica surrounded by his >family and friends. -- > >A true hapkidoin >1931-2007 Han Bong Soo Kwanjangnim >You will be missed >Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.rrhapkido.com > >"Martial arts success is not measured by the destination, but rather by the >distance traveled, and what is learned along the way!" >- www.hapkido.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place!  MSN Shopping Sales & Deals http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:57:12 +1030 From: Damian Adams To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Nose versus mouth breathing. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The respnses for the nose versus mouth perspective are a little perplexing. If you look at the different paths that the air can take, mouth versus the nose the only difference is that the air that is taken in via the nose is filtered by the nose hairs, and is moistened and warmed to a greater degree due to a longer transition down a mucus membrane tube. I fail to see that the amount of oxygen that is transported through the avioli into the bloodstream is affected by the manner in which the air is drawn. The gas/fluid dynamics should remain the same for a given volume of air and surface area in the lung. If you subconsciously draw a greater volume or take longer to draw the air into your lungs when breathing through your nose then that is a different thing altogether. The mechanism would then be taking a longer and deeper breath rather than just breathing through you nose. Regards Damian. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:18:07 -0800 From: Hapkido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bong Soo Han press release Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hollywood's Martial Arts Teacher Dies Yahoo News Korean martial arts master Bong Soo Han, who helped revolutionize Hollywood's understanding of martial arts by creating fight sequences for modern American films, died on Monday. He was 73. Han died at his home in Santa Monica, said John Davis, director of operations for the International Hapkido Federation, which Han founded. The cause of death was not disclosed. Han, who held a 9th-degree black belt and the title of grand master in Hapkido, dedicated his life to spreading the martial art, which combines the kicking and punching of Taekwondo and the joint locks and graceful throws of Judo. Often called the father of Hapkido in the Western world, Han was careful about whom he promoted, awarding only slightly more than 100 black belts in more than 35 years of teaching in the United States. Many martial artists in Hollywood trained with him. "Grand Master Han is one of the finest men I have ever met, and it has been an honor to call him a friend for over 30 years," action star and martial arts expert Chuck Norris once told The Associated Press. Legendary Kung Fu Grand Master Eric Lee described Han as a true gentleman. "Everybody says he's a grand master-this or grand master-that, but they don't act like it," Lee said of other martial arts experts. "He does. He has a lot of quiet inside and peace that we can all learn from." Han was discovered by Hollywood in 1969, shortly after he arrived in the United States, while giving a Hapkido demonstration at a park near Malibu. Actor Tom Laughlin saw him perform and asked for help with his action film "Billy Jack." Up to that time, most martial arts scenes in movies were portrayed by actors with little martial arts training. Han choreographed fight scenes for the film, now a cult classic, and served as a stunt man, demonstrating a level of martial arts skill rarely seen before. Han also worked on the 1988 thriller "The Presidio," as well as other action films, and was featured in Wesley Snipes' 1998 documentary "Masters of the Martial Arts." He began studying martial arts as a boy in his native Seoul and trained under the founder of Hapkido, Young Sul Choi. He opened his first school in Seoul in 1959 and later taught self-defense to U.S. forces in Korea and Vietnam before coming to Los Angeles, where he set up his own school and frequently offered seminars for FBI agents. He wrote the 1974 classic "Hapkido, The Korean Art of Self-Defense" and produced a series of instructional videotapes. He was also the founder and president of the International Hapkido Federation, which has affiliate schools in California, Hawaii, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas and Indiana. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Nose versus mouth breathin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:10:24 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In breathing through the mouth, one will often have their mouth open. That can lead to a broken jaw and/or a concussion. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Dan Jun Breathing and the military Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 22:44:21 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks Frank, But I'm just putting out what has been given to me. I have heard Lt Col Dave Grossmans speak several times, pick up his book "On Combat". Talks about what happens to someone who has to pull the trigger, physiologically speaking. Proper breath control, call it what you want, helps in any stressful situation. It could be your first time leading a martial arts class, could be standing in front of eight Masters at a rank test, or choosing between lethal injection or the gas chamber. Take care, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Clay" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:29 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Dan Jun Breathing and the military > Bruce, > > You actually bring up a very good point... and its not limited to snipers. > The three step breathing method used in the breath control meditation that > is supposed to increase and store ki, is exactly the type of breathing you > learn when learning to fire a rifle. Great observation. > > Just don't go zenish when you go in the gas chamber. I tried that when I > was > a kid and about the third breath or so found I had a really big problem. > ;P > > f. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Jon Payne" To: "The_Dojang" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 22:45:39 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] First night of BJJ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It was my first night to train in almost 6 years. I'm fat, hot, sweaty, and sore. I can still do the splits, but tonight I stretched into positions that should never leave the bedroom of a talented gymnast. Jon Payne --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest