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Deep Breathing article part I (Jye nigma) 9. deep breathing article part II (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Nose versus mouth breathin Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:54:13 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, this is also the primary reason for football players wearing mouthpieces...they were actually invented to absorb the shock of contact over the idea of protecting your teeth....Michael Tomlinson >From: Ray >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Nose versus mouth breathin >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:18:15 -0800 (PST) > > > I've always been told that concussions were acceleration injuries: the > > skulls accelerates so fast that it overwhelms the natural shock >absorption > > between it and the brain and the brain slams into the inside of the >skull. > > > > How does having an open mouth put one at greater risk of concussion? > >The rear of the mandible slams into the skull, frequently resulting in a >broken jaw and often a concussion. > >Forgive my lack of proper medical terminology. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place!  MSN Shopping Sales & Deals http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jared Circle" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:39:22 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Nose versus mouth breathing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The circumstances that result in oral breathing usually correlate with an increased level of excitement and energy expenditure, wherein air (essentially oxygen) is in increased demand to sate the needs of the body. If unchecked, this will lead to gulping air with shallow breaths that do little to assist in rebalancing the body. Focused nasal breathing forces you to calm your mind, center yourself, and come into harmony with your body's natural rhythm. This this is desireable in any circumstance. To test this, try meditative breathing through your mouth, you should feel an immediate difference in your ability to center. Next compare with nasal breathing whilst meditating. The flow of your Ki will also be cut if your breath is kept high in your torso, which is invariably the case with agitated oral breathing. Celebrate the Life Given to You, J. Circle --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Julie Howard" To: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:52:24 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Breathing Confusion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am posting in response to the thread about breathing from the diaphragm, nose vs. mouth breathing, etc. *************** >>Jye posted in the Vol 14 # 9 DD "Yes, in normal breathing the lungs fill >>up from top to bottom, in deep breathing, they fill from bottom to top." Anatomically and physiologically speaking, this is incorrect. The lungs inflate the same way whether you breathe shallowly, deeply, in through the nose, etc. The air enters the trachea (via nose or mouth), passes through the right and left main bronchii, into the bronchioles and into the lungs. The body does not make any distinction as to what lobes fill up first as the air moves through the respiratory tree the same way each time unless there is an obstruction somewhere (then you have bigger problems to worry about.) ****************** >>Jye then posts in the same DD "The way I was taught was that in doing deep >>breathing your shoulders should not raise and fall as in regular >>breathing. Instead, they should stay in the same place, and only your >>abdomen should move." This is mostly correct. The shoulders and chest should not move when we breathe at all. Our society is prone to being in a hurry for everything, and our breathing is no exception. We shallowly breathe at a quick rate. This type of breathing does not engage the accessory muscles of the rib cage and abdomen to allow for deeper inhalations. When we breathe in this manner, we are not allowing for full inhalations or exhalations of air, thus diminishing the lungs overall vital capacity for respiration. When we train ourselves to breathe slowly and deeply, we allow the air to enter the lungs at a slower rate. This engages the accessory muscles of the chest and abdomen while the diaphragm drops to allow the lungs to expand fully and take in more volume of air. The belly should move outward on inhalation and inward on exhalation. ********************* Many other questions/comments occurred so I will summarize the process: Slower, deeper breathing inhaled through the nose and exhaled through the mouth provides the greatest respiratory advantage. When we inhale through the nose, we inhale more slowly. The cilia in the nose then filters & traps the debris from the air, warms the air, and also adds a bit of moisture to the air. This air then travels down the passageway into the trachea, through the bronchii, etc. The air reaches the alveoli where the oxygen is exchanged with carbon dioxide. If we are breathing deeper, we inhale a larger volume of oxygen. The slower breaths allow more respiration (oxygen/carbon dioxide exchange) to occur. A long, slow exhalation will then allow the maximum amount of carbon dioxide to be expelled from the body. Slower, deeper breathing engages the chest wall muscles and abdominal muscles also. This allows for deeper dropping of the diaphragm. The activity of these muscles also helps to massage and stimulate the abdominal cavity organs in a better manner thus allowing them to work more efficiently as well. If we continuously breathe fast and shallowly, we will train our lungs to only hold this lesser amount of oxygen. This diminishes our vital capacity of the lungs, thus making it more difficult to take in larger volumes of air when needed (during training, fighting, etc.) Okay, this has become way longer than I expected, but I hope it does help. Julie H. --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:12:06 -0500 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Goodbye Kwan Jang Nim Kim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is with profound sorrow that I heard last evening from Master Saul Kim that his father and my instructor Jae Joon Kim, passed away. To me, GM Kim was a noble and knowledgeable man and I was proud to have him as my instructor. My thoughts and sorrow go out to his family and students. Tang Soo Do will not be the same... Dana ************************** Dana, I'm sorry to hear of your loss. Just like I posted about GM Han, remember KJN Kim and strive to be the best you can be with him as an example. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:45:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Nose versus mouth breathin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net it's all about leverage. I guess in this example I should say torque(sp?) In any occaison, it's basic physics. try to remove a tight bolt (a large one at that) with a short handle ratchet. Can't do it. Now try it with a long handle ratchet...now it's possible. you can knock someone out hitting them correctly on the chin from the side or an angle. May be difficult but possible. But if you have a larger target like an open mouth, when that mouth gets hit, it's gonna turn that head with a force that REALLY slams the brain into the skull. the principle is the same as using a longer handle ratchet for more torque(sp?) Jye Jeremy Anderson wrote: I've always been told that concussions were acceleration injuries: the skulls accelerates so fast that it overwhelms the natural shock absorption between it and the brain and the brain slams into the inside of the skull. How does having an open mouth put one at greater risk of concussion? Somebody else mentioned lining up the jaw. With what? Does it somehow make the jaw/skull into one "unit?" Allowing a more direct transference of energy to the brain? With the mouth closed, the jaw floats freely, allowing it to act as another segment of cushioning/shock absorption? Thanks, Jeremy. --- Ray wrote: > In breathing through the mouth, one will often have their mouth open. > That > can lead to a broken jaw and/or a concussion. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:00:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: Nose versus mouth breathing (was: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan tien and "teaching" martial arts) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Because the openings are different in size. the nose being smaller than the mouth. In the deep breathing exercises I've been taught, you inhale filling the lungs up from bottom to top, holding the breath for as long as possible (when you first start there is a definite amount of time to hold the breath, each time holding it longer). then slowly exhaling. This using the maximum amount of oxygen in the lungs for use by the body. In another phase which is the article I'm searching for to share with you all, doing this exercise acts as a type of anaerobic exercise increasing endurance. If I can ever remember where I put this info it'll make all the sense in the world to you. I can perform the mentioned tasks but can't explain them for all the tea in china. But as an example, get in the swimming pool, fill your lungs up with air, go to the bottom of the pool now let all the air out at once. I bet you'll go to get more air as fast as possible. Now do the same thing, BUT this time, when you're at the bottom of the pool, let out a very very small amount of air. You can stay at the bottom longer huh? Basically, in the exercises I perform, you deprive the body of oxygen for a period, this is done by long smooth exhales, so the body is using all the possible oxygen as it can, then the body in an attempt to have enough makes necessary changes to hold more. Excuse my simple explanation, let me find my material. Jye Jeremy Anderson wrote: How does breathing through the nose rather than the mouth accomplish these things? Thanks, Jeremy. --- Jye nigma wrote: > It allows you to use the maximum amount of oxygen for a longer period of > time. where you over time of practice, wont get fatigued as fast. You'll > also be able to hold your breathe for extended periods of time. > > Jye > > > Jeremy Anderson wrote: > I've heard this a lot but never understood why it's important to > breathe > through the nose. Could someone please elaborate? > > Thanks, > Jeremy Anderson. > > > --- sidtkd@aol.com wrote: > > The best we can do is avoid breathing through our mouths when > > sparring. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Try it now. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:04:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Nose breathing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Breathing through the nose whether done by a MA trained in qigong or by an ordinary person takes some type of focus. Try running and then breathing only through your nose, feels like you're gonna explode right? Well you have to calm down, and focus to do it. Well when people hyperventilate, it's most likely from being too excited, and they calm down when they breath through the nose....typically, they're shown that tool. My son's mom, used to have anxiety attacks. I had never heard of such a thing, but when she explained what happened during them, shortness of breath and panic attacks, I was like oh, just do this deep breathing exercise when you fill them coming on, and she's been better ever since. That was around 10 years ago, and so they were basic breathing exercises. Jye Jeremy Anderson wrote: How does it prevent these things? Learning a lot, Jeremy. --- sidtkd@aol.com wrote: > Let's not forget that breathing through the nose prevents > hyperventilation and prevents much of the shock one feels when being hit > in the sternum. > > Sid > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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Mail beta. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:00:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Deep Breathing article part I Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Deep Breathing Related Links Ten Secrets of Authentic Breathing Unlocking the Power of Meditation Deep Breathing: It's Easy When You Don't Try By Bobbie Lieberman What could be more natural than breathing? You might be amazed to learn that breathing — an act that we do some 20,000 times each day — can deeply influence your health and happiness on many levels. Breathing has been long considered essential for maintaining chi, the life-force energy of Eastern cultural traditions. Only more recently, however, have Americans begun to embrace the wisdom of taking a deep breath. "Breathing incorrectly can produce tension, exhaustion and vocal strain, interfere with athletic activity and encourage aches and illnesses," says Nancy Zi, a Glendale, Calif.-based breathing expert and author of the book and video set, "The Art of Breathing." Breathe correctly, however, and you can "melt away tension and stress, improve energy or simply relax and unwind." Dennis Lewis, who leads breathing awareness workshops and is the author of "The Tao of Natural Breathing," observes: "Most of us take our breathing for granted. The great Taoist sage Chuang Tzu says that most of us breathe from our throats, and that real human beings breathe from their heels." Here's what happens: Breathing oxygenates every cell of your body, from your brain to your vital organs. Without sufficient oxygen, your body becomes more susceptible to health problems. For example, in a study published in The Lancet, cardiac patients who took 12 to 14 shallow breaths per minute (six breaths per minute is considered optimal) were more likely to have low levels of blood oxygen, which "may impair skeletal muscle and metabolic function, and lead to muscle atrophy and exercise intolerance." In contrast, deep breathing raises levels of blood oxygen, promoting health in many ways — from stimulating the digestive process to improving fitness and mental performance. Even alternative health icon Dr. Andrew Weil says: "If I had to limit my advice on healthier living to just one tip, it would be simply to learn how to breathe correctly." Are You a Shallow Breather? Zi observes that most people are "shallow breathers" — they use only the narrow top portion of the lung surface for oxygen exchange. Our breath literally stops at the diaphragm — a band of tissue that Lewis calls our "spiritual muscle." To find out if you're a shallow breather, try Zi's simple test: Put your palms against your lower abdomen and blow out all the air. Now, take a big breath. If your abdomen expands when you inhale and air seems to flow in deeply to the pit of your stomach, you're on the right track. More typically, though, shallow breathers are likely to take a breath and pull in their stomach, which pushes the diaphragm up so the air has nowhere to go. What happens next is that the shoulders go up to make room. "All this effort for something, which should be a natural gift!" Zi exclaims. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] deep breathing article part II Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To fill the lungs more deeply, "Lower the diaphragm muscle by expanding the abdomen. When this happens, the lungs elongate and draw in air. You don't breathe into the abdomen; you allow it to expand comfortably all around its circumference — back, sides and front. Proper core breathing is really the foundation for all things — it's the foundation of health." "Where is the core? It's below the navel a few inches or so. It isn't a thing, you can't see it: it's a sensation. Zi likes to use the image of a lotus blossom when teaching people how to breathe from their core: "When you inhale, imagine a blossom opening within your abdomen; when you exhale, the blossom closes. You open from the center of the blossom, the core. What causes the petals to open is the energy from the core; the more you breathe from the core, the more you stimulate and nourish its energy, and you become more in control." So Where Does Our Breathing Go Wrong? Zi attributes shallow breathing to trauma and fashion. "When you are a child, and are sent to bed without dinner, or when you are afraid, you hold the breath. So the child goes to bed angry, sad or tense, and holds the breath. We lose that innate ability of pumping with the stomach. The lungs should just be a container; when we use them as a pump, they become overburdened and the muscles get tight; everything is restricted." Zi observes that frequently, asthma can develop as a result of such constriction. Adults also can lose the capacity for deep core breathing from a traumatic emotional experience, or physical pain. "When we are in pain," Zi explains, "we want as little movement as possible. This again restricts breathing; later, when you are well, your breath may remain shallow." In addition, modern fashion teaches us to "suck in our tummies" and have flat abdominal muscles. This type of posture, which Zi calls the "statue," also contributes to shallow breathing. "This is such a mistaken attitude," she says. "The abdominal area contains the most vital organs, and we must let it pulse. When you tense your stomach all the time, like a perfect statue, you create lower back tension, stiffness and pain." If posture is when we look like a model statue, texture is when we are flexible, extendible, stretchable, nimble, opening up and closing. "You allow the front of the chest, the back, the sides and the bottom of the torso to freely expand," Zi explains. To test your flexibility, stand in the "saddle" position so that you stand with feet apart, and then bend down so your knees spread outward, opening the lower torso. "We need to be more like a pagoda — an anchored pagoda, with a stable bottom, not top-heavy," says Zi. That way, you can't be knocked over. "Shallow breathers are top-heavy and are teetering around through life." --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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