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Refs needed (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Julie Howard" To: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:37:30 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Breathing Confusion (again) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Once again I am compelled to comment on this subject. Jye posted an article in 3 sections regarding deep breathing. There are a few errors in this article that I feel should be pointed out. 1) the article states: "For example, in a study published in The Lancet, cardiac patients who took 12 to 14 shallow breaths per minute (six breaths per minute is considered optimal)" This is grossly incorrect. I did not find the Lancet article mentioned in the story since it was not properly cited. However, 6 breaths per minute is NOT OPTIMAL. Normal adult respiratory rates are about 12 breaths per minute. According to "The Textbook of Medical Physiology" by Dr. Arthur C. Guyton, "The normal tidal volume is about 500ml, the normal respiratory rate is about 12 breaths per minute, therefore, the minute respiratory volume normally averages about 6 liters/minute." Perhaps this was what the author of the article was trying to imply. This same author contradicts himself later in the article by stating: "Remember, you are breathing right now. Every day, you have 20,000 opportunities to transform how you breathe and enhance your health and well-being". If you do the math with using 6 breaths per minute, with 60 minutes per hour, and 24 hours per day, you get 8640 breaths per day - much lower than the 20,000 listed here. 2) the article also states: "Zi observes that most people are "shallow breathers" - they use only the narrow top portion of the lung surface for oxygen exchange." This is again another gross error. If people only use the upper lobes for respiration, the lower lobes (and right middle lobe) would collapse causing atelectasis. Without respiration and air exchange in the alveoli throughout the entire lung, the alveoli collapse and then the lung collapses. This is a very dangerous situation that usually occurs with a foreign object blocking off an area of the bronchioles. It can be a life threatening situation. Therefore, everybody who is not critically ill inflates and utilizes their entire lung surface for breathing. Those who breathe shallowly just don't bring in the volume of air that those who breathe more deeply do. 3) another error in the article: "The lungs should just be a container; when we use them as a pump, they become overburdened and the muscles get tight; everything is restricted." Zi observes that frequently, asthma can develop as a result of such constriction." The exact cause of asthma is still widely unknown, however, the main consensus of many medical doctors is that asthma results from an inflammatory process in the respiratory system. The lungs are not just containers, they have great responsibility in the respiratory system. Lungs become constricted due to pathology such as COPD and emphysema, not from holding one's breath. 4) the article also states: "When you tense your stomach all the time, like a perfect statue, you create lower back tension, stiffness and pain." I am assuming that the author is referring to keeping the abdominal muscles tense during breathing, however, the low back requires strong abdominal muscles to prevent low back tension, stiffness, and pain. Most people with low back pain have very weak core and abdominal muscles. Strengthening these areas will improve the low back pain. Overall, I believe that the author was attempting to promote books and videos that teach deep breathing exercises. These exercises may be valid and helpful to learn deep breathing, however, the rationale behind the deep breathing is in gross error. Julie H. --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:31:25 -0500 From: tkdsid@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Singing "on ki" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We've discussed breathing here extensively. I have some questions about what the cultural or perhaps metaphysical differences are between what the Koreans term "ghi", the Chinese call "chi", the Japanese call "ki" the Indians call "Prana: what some Christians call "the light" etc. Are we all talking about the same thing? It's strange that Westerners don't recognize this dynamic. Sincerely, Sid ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Duque Institute of Martial Arts" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:12:39 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Stretched canvas? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We're expanding into the second half of our building and putting in the "floating floor" that was suggested by John Chambers. Thank you very much for the plans. Does anyone have a referral for a stretched canvas vendor? Also, just wanted to share that we've found a great, cheaper solution for mirrors. We purchased sets of mirrored, sliding closet doors and hung them side by side. They are far cheaper and durable than other choices we looked at. They "give" a little. They were even on sale at the local national hardware chain. Pilsung! Sincerely, Kathryn M. Gonzalo-Duque ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Type your favorite song.  Get a customized station.  Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: The Jaw Joint and getting KOed Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:41:05 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A few more articles on the subject. http://www.dentistrytoday.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=69B43E194DEC46FE9C901156B97A0F84&nm=Clinical+Articles&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=DA0B22ACFA0A4446A493F8149A817666 http://www.brainpads.com/Med_dentistryToday.htm http://www.brainpads.com/headimpact.html Oh, and just to clarify, I am not trying to up Wipps market share. Shock Doctor also makes a mouth guard that provides the same kind of jaw stablization and is a bit cheaper. http://www.shockdoc.com/about.html As the articles say, any mouthguard is better than none, but I think a mouth guard specifically designed to provide jaw stablization is best. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "michael tomlinson" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: The Jaw Joint and getting KOed Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:22:35 +0000 So wearing a mouthpiece is gonna hurt the jaw more than not wearing one?? over the years of playing and coaching football I can count on one hand the number of players I have personally seen experience broken jaws or jaw problems... actually I had one teamate and one player with broken jaws...on the other hand I can't even count on one hand the number of concussions I have personally had while playing football...it would take two hands and they would almost be full...I have personally knocked myself totally unconscious in football practice from hitting someone too hard three times...and that might explain some of my posts!!..my original point is that the mouthpiece was basically invented as a shock absorber to keep the jaw and skull lined up....it does protect the teeth...no doubt about it and that is why everyone uses them BUT they were designed for more than that....in football the chin and sides of the jaw are pretty well protected from the helmet and usually the chin only takes damage from a good tackle in which the tacklers helmet gets under the bottom of the facmask...that is why they went to the hard plastic chin straps many moons ago...personally I hated and refused to use one because they kept all the sweat inside of them so in practice your chin is basically floating around in a pool of your own sweat...very nasty and not good for you complection...LOL....I personally don't feel that the jaw is "less" protected by using a mouthpiece as the article says...IMHO if that were true then wouldn't we see much more broken jaws in football?? I know the article says that later in life that the jaw will become weak...but hey...so have my knees, back, shoulders, fingers, elbows, ankles, wrists, and neck.....if you told a football player that his jaw might weaken over the years from playing ball that would be way way down on his threat and importance meter.....at the end of the day I more than likely don't know what I am talking about or the "science" behind all of this --I am just stating what I've seen and been around on the field and in practice....but take into account that I've only been playing and coaching football for 39 years now so I haven't seen or read everything... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The Jaw Joint and getting KOed >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:09:27 -0500 > >Joe Cheavens sent this link: > >http://www.helmets.org/astmdocs/williams.htm > >Michael Tomlinson wrote: > > >Ray, this is also the primary reason for football players wearing >mouthpieces...they were actually invented to absorb the shock of >contact >over the idea of protecting your teeth > >My note: > >Michael, the link Joe sent says the exact opposite. The mouth guard >prevents the mouth from protecting itself, but it does keep the >teeth in >mostly the same place and helps prevent chipping and breaking. >IMHBAUI >(In my humble but admittedly uninformed opinion), the mouthgard >opens >the mouth, makes it harder for the muscles to keep that jaw from >moving, >and even creates more leverage for a strike to the chin. The other >interesting thing from that article was that football players and >other >athletes with previous jaw joint injuries are predisposed to greater >injury from a repetition of the same event. That sounds like older >players will start to develop glass jaws. What do you think? > >Yours in the arts, > >Dakin >dakinburdick@yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place!  MSN Shopping Sales & Deals http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:12:11 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mirrored sliding closet doors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cool! If you hang them vertically, you can do that "Bruce Lee stalk" (final battle in Enter the Dragon) in the mirrored room and get that multi-faceted strobe reflection in the mirrors! Awesome! Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Singing "on Ki" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:25:18 -0000 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi guys, this is something that have given some thought to too. As a Christian I think chi is connected to breathing therefore the Breath of Life given to Adam is in my view the Christian equivalent. Regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: tkdsid@aol.com [mailto:tkdsid@aol.com] Sent: 11 January 2007 16:31 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Singing "on ki" We've discussed breathing here extensively. I have some questions about what the cultural or perhaps metaphysical differences are between what the Koreans term "ghi", the Chinese call "chi", the Japanese call "ki" the Indians call "Prana: what some Christians call "the light" etc. Are we all talking about the same thing? It's strange that Westerners don't recognize this dynamic. Sincerely, Sid ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Singing "on ki" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:23:13 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In the Nagual teaching of don Juan Matus, I believe it was known as the focal point of luminosity. tkdsid@aol.com 01/11/2007 10:31 To AM the_dojang@martialartsresource.net cc Please respond to Subject the_dojang@martia [The_Dojang] Re: Singing "on ki" lartsresource.net We've discussed breathing here extensively. I have some questions about what the cultural or perhaps metaphysical differences are between what the Koreans term "ghi", the Chinese call "chi", the Japanese call "ki" the Indians call "Prana: what some Christians call "the light" etc. Are we all talking about the same thing? It's strange that Westerners don't recognize this dynamic. Sincerely, Sid ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: - - To: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:05:49 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] nose vs mouth breathing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Lol,first-I seem to have lost my work acct-I upgraded my msn and inadvertently hit "delete and report" on a message i planned to save-nevertheless,,now I have more time to enjoy these articles @ home. The info on breathing has been wonderful-I found it interesting that most teachers(japanese,okinawan and korean) tend to teach the in thru nose-out thru mouth routine.But in Kumdo-the mouth is always kept closed.As I recall someone telling me once "Once I see my opponent breathe through his mouth,I know I have won-Because he has let all his energy go" My Instructor has a very open mind to things and if someone has a valid opinion he doesnt press the issue(Very honored to say that NEVER has he given me the explaination"because that is how my teacher taught me to do it)When doing Hyung with other students and trying to keep rhythm I breathe loudly,etc,etc. My understanding of the energy and breathing "phenomenom"(for lack of a better word)goes back to tension and relaxation.When breathing thru your tungen-your inhales are more relaxed,deeper,more efficient.Your exhalation creates tension-like a hard move(manipulating a large opponent)mouth closed-full body tension-or as with expelling through the mouth with a kihap-quick,,,the "il kyuk pil pak"(i hope i remembered that right,lol)one strike kill. I have practiced closed-mouthed for years and it does seem to increase stamina-but when giving that all or nothing burst-theres nothing like a real loud KEEEYAAAA!!!!! BAAL _________________________________________________________________ Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:59:59 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Accepting Candidates for Independent Director Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net USAT Accepting Candidates for Independent Director January 11, 2007 USA Taekwondo is accepting applications for the Independent Director position on the USAT Board of Directors. The position term expires on December 31, 2008. Interested candidates should submit their resume by Wednesday, January 17 to molly.shook@usa-taekwondo.us. --__--__-- Message: 10 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:51:19 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [The_Dojang] chubby gm wannabe back in the news Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net These are just too good to not pass along. http://www.rickloveclub.blogspot.com/ http://nwaheatwave.com/ricklove.htm Our 'friend' chubby grandmaster wannabe from down Florida way pays some people so that he can have his picture taken with them. Just too too funny. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:16:33 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Refs needed Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Attention U.S. International and A-Level Referees January 12, 2007 USA Taekwondo will be accepting names of referees interested in officiating at the Senior National Team Trials, being held March 16, 2007 at the Dallas (Texas) Convention Center. Those selected will receive round trip airfare, hotel, and meals. You also will be required to work the Dallas National Qualifier that is being held in conjunction with the Team Trials. All U.S. International and A-Level referees interested in officiating must meet the following minimum criteria: 1. Be a USAT Taekwondo Referee Member for 2007 2. Be a USAT International Referee (WTF-certified in sparring) and have taken an International Referee Seminar or Refresher Course since October 2005. 3. Or be a USAT A-Level Referee and have taken a USA Taekwondo Referee Seminar in 2006. 4. Have officiated in at least two USA Taekwondo Events, and one of those events shall have been either the 2006 Junior Olympics or the 2006 U.S. National Championships. Eligible Events: 2006 National Qualifiers 2006 Junior Olympics 2006 US National Championships Those interested in being considered are required to e-mail Jeanna Mendoza at jeanna.mendoza@usa-taekwondo.us by the close of business on February 1, 2007. Upon verification of your eligibility you will receive an email confirmation that you have been placed on the list for consideration. Please note those referees interested in participating in the 2007 August Team Trials will have to meet the minimum criteria and work at least two events in 2007, one being the U.S. Nationals or the Junior Olympics and at least one National Qualifier. Details will be posted for these team trials at a later date. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest