Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:58:30 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #16 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Singing on "ki" (Christopher Spiller) 2. Re: Gun Question (Jye nigma) 3. Re: Gun Question (Ray) 4. Re: Gun Question (WTSDA Bruce) 5. RE: chubby gm wannabe back in the news (michael tomlinson) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:53:22 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Singing on "ki" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > We've discussed breathing here extensively. I have some questions > about what the cultural or perhaps metaphysical differences are between > what the Koreans term "ghi", the Chinese call "chi", the Japanese call > "ki" the Indians call "Prana: what some Christians call "the light" > etc. Are we all talking about the same thing? It's strange that > Westerners don't recognize this dynamic. > > Sincerely, > > Sid I have never heard the term "ghi" before; all of the transliterations form Korean I have seen has been "ki," like in Japanese. I have also seen a distinction made between Ki and Chi in Gen. Choi's Encyclopedia of Taekwon-Do. He refers to Ki as "spirit" while Chi is "will, the motivating force." "The former moves and the latter leads," in his opinion. This distinction may be something he gets from Mencius, as he's quoted in the passage to which I referred. In Gen. Choi's book, as well as other sources, Ki is conceived of as "energy" that resides in the cells of the body. As such it is definitely *not* the same thing as the Christian concept of "spirit," which lacks any sort of materiality. The soul is a spiritual reality, not a material one. (Some confusion can arise, however, since people talk about having "spirit" when what they mean is you're energetic or peppy or whatever.) You referenced "the light" in your posting, but I have not heard the term used in such a way in any Christian theology. Usually "light" refers to an inner illumination of the intellect received from God. In no case have I seen it used to refer to any sort of spirit associated with a human person. YMMV of course, but I'd be very interested in seeing where you've gotten the term from in the context you use as I'm getting a Ph.D. in Theology and haven't seen it before (whcih, frnakly, means nothing ;). Pax, Chris Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, There's always laughter and good red wine. At least I've always found it so. Benedicamus Domino! -Hilaire Belloc ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:42:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a question. I know civilians can go to shooting ranges where you practice shooting from a stationary position. But do they also have shooting ranges for civilians where you can move around like the military for instance? A type of course? Jye Alida wrote: What type of gun? I carry a Walther PPK .380. My husband, a H&K .40 USB. Both of those weapons have a slide that can be hell on the hand. I lost many a chunk of flesh when he first started training me many years ago. I'd imagine it would be either a) difficult to hold and/or b) painful to try to hold the barrel of either of those weapons. And yes, they do get hot, but I would say it's far, far less than oh, putting your hand on a hot stove. Alida -------Original Message------- From: Jeremy Callner Date: 03/30/06 17:24:08 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Gun Question If a gun goes off while you're holding it, is there any other risk besides the bullet? Does the barrel get too hot to hold? Are there little sparks that can get in your eyes or anything? Or have I been watching too many crime shows? Can someone who regularly fires a real gun let me know? Thanks, Jeremy _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:12:10 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have a question. I know civilians can go to shooting ranges where you > practice shooting from a stationary position. But do they also have > shooting ranges for civilians where you can move around like the military > for instance? A type of course? Most any multi-day tactical training course will have you running and gunning. But I would not say it is like the military. Civilians require a very different type of training. e.g. see http://gunsite.net/ Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Question Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:00:22 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Jye, I guess it would depend on what you want to shoot at. My first thought would be paintball range. There are outdoor ranges that you can do just about anything. There are numerous courses for shooting on the move, moving to cover/concealment, shooting at a moving target. First Google sites were http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/shootingonmove.htm http://www.sportshooter.com/improving/mb_boxmoves.asp http://homestudy.ihea.com/shootingskills/20eyes.htm. This would be for shooting a real weapon at a paper target. One of the better legal most used training sites to learn how to shoot at a moving target is a shotgun trap range. Police and Military use simunitions, where a duty weapon or rifle is modified to fire a, lets say 9mm cartridge that has a 9mm size paint ball. I believe you would be very hard pressed to find public range to practice in this manner. VERY DANGEROUS, many safety protocols have to be addressed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Question >I have a question. I know civilians can go to shooting ranges where you >practice shooting from a stationary position. But do they also have >shooting ranges for civilians where you can move around like the military >for instance? A type of course? > > Jye > > > Alida wrote: > What type of gun? > > I carry a Walther PPK .380. My husband, a H&K .40 USB. Both of those > weapons have a slide that can be hell on the hand. I lost many a chunk > of flesh when he first started training me many years ago. I'd imagine it > would be either a) difficult to hold and/or b) painful to try to hold the > barrel of either of those weapons. And yes, they do get hot, but I would > say it's far, far less than oh, putting your hand on a hot stove. > > Alida > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Jeremy Callner > Date: 03/30/06 17:24:08 > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Gun Question > > If a gun goes off while you're holding it, is there any other risk besides > the > bullet? Does the barrel get too hot to hold? Are there little sparks that > can > get in your eyes or anything? Or have I been watching too many crime > shows? > Can someone who regularly fires a real gun let me know? > Thanks, > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > > --------------------------------- > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] chubby gm wannabe back in the news Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:03:36 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????? Rick Love???????? It's like we are inside of a Saturday Night Live episode... Michael Tomlinson >From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) >Subject: [The_Dojang] chubby gm wannabe back in the news >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:51:19 -0800 (PST) > >These are just too good to not pass along. > >http://www.rickloveclub.blogspot.com/ >http://nwaheatwave.com/ricklove.htm > >Our 'friend' chubby grandmaster wannabe from down Florida way pays >some people so that he can have his picture taken with them. > >Just too too funny. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. 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