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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: GUNS V/S KMA (Jye nigma) 2. hapkido (Jye nigma) 3. video clip: police force shotokan (Jye nigma) 4. Re: GUNS V/S KMA (WTSDA Bruce) 5. RE: GUNS V/S KMA (michael tomlinson) 6. Jonathan Best on Paekche (Ray) 7. RE: GUNS V/S KMA (Cayson, Clint) 8. Re: GUNS V/S KMA (michael tomlinson) 9. RE: hapkido in GA (Kevin F. Donohue) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:03:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Did you get a chance to see the demo of the KHF hapkido folks I posted last week. I liked alot of their tactics, except for the handgun ones. What did you think? In case you all missed it, here it is again: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4428632708773992271&q=khf&hl=en jye Gordon wrote: Michael Tomlinson said: defense and your training doesn't actually involve some shooting and/or knowledge of firearms then you are like an animal that has their head stuck in the sand....if samurai were around during the times of very good firearms then I am sure they would all be carrying Glocks....or something like that....maybe it's a Hapkido practicality thing but Self Defense IMHO doesn't involve existing restricting historical protocal...if you are apt to be attacked by something then logic tells you to understand and train for that....am I crazy in my thinking????j Michael Tomlinson> Rick Clark said: "traditional" Korean weapons . . . . . Rick Clark> In the same manor or thinking, shouldn't we all be training in every style and every weapon that may come our way? Where do you draw the line between tradition and modern practicality? Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:14:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was so impressed with the clips I've seen of the KHF that hapkido has really peaked my interest. I wonder if there are any no nonsense hapkido dojangs around ATL, GA? Jye --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip: police force shotokan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net what do you guys think about this clip? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9171300151662938375&q=shotokan&hl=en Jye --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:27:37 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What comes to mind concerning training with weapons is one of my favorite scenes from a MA movie. In "Eye For An Eye", in the last fight scene Mako uses a telephone to strike one of the bad guys. He then says to Chuck Norris (not verbatim) A true warrior uses what is available to him, there is no shame in that. What I tell my students is to use whatever is available to you to survive an attack. Training with a phone as a MA weapon is not practical, but having the mindset to survive, and applying your training to your environment is. Take care, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA >I agree with that point, but I would also train in the other weapons as >well because you may be in a dark alley with a broken broom handle and you >should be able to use it with the same ability as you have with a >gun/knife, etc. > > Jye > > > michael tomlinson wrote: > Good question...I personally draw the line just past training with > knives, > firearms, and all the prior stuff in Hapkido...let's face it...you aren't > gonna defend against a sword or nunchukau quite as much as some > knucklehead > trying to rob you with a small firearm or knife....there is nothing wrong > with all the weapons training..so don't take this as disrespectful in any > way...I just think you should train for the scenarios you will see the > most....everyone has a bladed weapon and the majority of crimes around > where > I live involve firearms, knives, etc....so I pattern my training for that > scenario... > > Michael Tomlinson > > >>From: "Gordon" >>Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>To: >>Subject: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA >>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:05:49 -0600 >> >>Michael Tomlinson said: >> >>>defense and your training doesn't actually involve some shooting and/or >>knowledge of firearms then you are like an animal that has their head >>stuck >>in the sand....if samurai were around during the times of very good >>firearms >>then I am sure they would all be carrying Glocks....or something like >>that....maybe it's a Hapkido practicality thing but Self Defense IMHO >>doesn't involve existing restricting historical protocal...if you are apt >>to >>be attacked by something then logic tells you to understand and train for >>that....am I crazy in my thinking????j >> >> Michael Tomlinson> >> >>Rick Clark said: >> >>>"traditional" Korean weapons . . . . . >> >>Rick Clark> >> >>In the same manor or thinking, shouldn't we all be training in every style >>and every weapon that may come our way? Where do you draw the line between >>tradition and modern practicality? >> >>Gordon Okerstrom >>_______________________________________________ >>The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >>The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>Standard disclaimers apply >>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > _________________________________________________________________ > From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes > has > it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline1 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:33:42 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Exactly, The same basic concepts should be used across the board, for instance, the same stepping and movements used in weapons training in Hapkido is the same exact stepping and movements used in unarmed training.....you can equate certain attacks and redirects to the weapon and open hand....IMO if you have to learn a whole new protocal when you transition from empty hand to a weapon then you won't react with the speed and mindless movement you should....Michael Tomlinson >From: Jye nigma >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:01:39 -0800 (PST) > >I agree with that point, but I would also train in the other weapons as >well because you may be in a dark alley with a broken broom handle and you >should be able to use it with the same ability as you have with a >gun/knife, etc. > > Jye > > >michael tomlinson wrote: > Good question...I personally draw the line just past training with >knives, >firearms, and all the prior stuff in Hapkido...let's face it...you aren't >gonna defend against a sword or nunchukau quite as much as some knucklehead >trying to rob you with a small firearm or knife....there is nothing wrong >with all the weapons training..so don't take this as disrespectful in any >way...I just think you should train for the scenarios you will see the >most....everyone has a bladed weapon and the majority of crimes around >where >I live involve firearms, knives, etc....so I pattern my training for that >scenario... > >Michael Tomlinson > > > >From: "Gordon" > >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >To: > >Subject: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA > >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:05:49 -0600 > > > >Michael Tomlinson said: > > > >>defense and your training doesn't actually involve some shooting and/or > >knowledge of firearms then you are like an animal that has their head >stuck > >in the sand....if samurai were around during the times of very good > >firearms > >then I am sure they would all be carrying Glocks....or something like > >that....maybe it's a Hapkido practicality thing but Self Defense IMHO > >doesn't involve existing restricting historical protocal...if you are apt > >to > >be attacked by something then logic tells you to understand and train for > >that....am I crazy in my thinking????j > > > > Michael Tomlinson> > > > >Rick Clark said: > > > >>"traditional" Korean weapons . . . . . > > > >Rick Clark> > > > >In the same manor or thinking, shouldn't we all be training in every >style > >and every weapon that may come our way? Where do you draw the line >between > >tradition and modern practicality? > > > >Gordon Okerstrom > >_______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > >_________________________________________________________________ >From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes >has >it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline1 >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > >--------------------------------- >Don't pick lemons. >See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.  Get a customized station.  Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 --__--__-- Message: 6 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:35:27 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [The_Dojang] Jonathan Best on Paekche Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... The Harvard University Asia Center is pleased to announce the publication of A History of the Early Korean Kingdom of Paekche together with an annotated translation of The Paekche Annals of the Samguk sagi by Jonathan W. Best (Harvard East Asian Monographs 256). The book contains two parts, a history of Paekche based primary written and material evidence, and an extensively annotated translation of the Samguk sagi's Paekche pon'gi (the Paekche Annals). The translation is further supported by twenty-two Appendices (focused discussions of particular problems in Paekche history as it is represented in the Paekche Annals), a Concordance of terms and all proper nouns in the Paekche Annals, a Geographical Glossary of all place names in the annals, six historical maps, and an index. Distributed by Harvard University Press, copyright 2006, 555 pages. Further information is available at http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/BESHIS.html. --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:41:11 -0500 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I try not to limit myself in training in just one aspect of weapon. Not all of us walk with weapons as a sidearm or hide it in your shoes or some place that's no one will suspect. You can use belts, pens, car keys, or something around you that you think you can use it as a weapon. You see a weapon is a great equalizer. Peace to all. -------------------------------------- Clint V Cayson -----Original Message----- From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:02 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA I agree with that point, but I would also train in the other weapons as well because you may be in a dark alley with a broken broom handle and you should be able to use it with the same ability as you have with a gun/knife, etc. Jye michael tomlinson wrote: Good question...I personally draw the line just past training with knives, firearms, and all the prior stuff in Hapkido...let's face it...you aren't gonna defend against a sword or nunchukau quite as much as some knucklehead trying to rob you with a small firearm or knife....there is nothing wrong with all the weapons training..so don't take this as disrespectful in any way...I just think you should train for the scenarios you will see the most....everyone has a bladed weapon and the majority of crimes around where I live involve firearms, knives, etc....so I pattern my training for that scenario... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:23:30 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I feel the same....you pick up the phone and use it with the same movements you have practiced a million times....when I tested for 1st keup in Hapkido under one of Mst. Whalen's instructors many moons ago one of the parts of the test was to instantly go and pick up three different objects in the room and use them to fight with...they couldn't have any resemblance to a martial arts weapon...I still remember what I used.... 1. a picture frame 2. a water bottle 3. a book..... Michael Tomlinson >From: "WTSDA Bruce" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:27:37 -0600 > >What comes to mind concerning training with weapons is one of my favorite >scenes from a MA movie. In "Eye For An Eye", in the last fight scene Mako >uses a telephone to strike one of the bad guys. He then says to Chuck >Norris (not verbatim) A true warrior uses what is available to him, there >is no shame in that. What I tell my students is to use whatever is >available to you to survive an attack. Training with a phone as a MA >weapon is not practical, but having the mindset to survive, and applying >your training to your environment is. > >Take care, > >Bruce > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:01 PM >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA > > >>I agree with that point, but I would also train in the other weapons as >>well because you may be in a dark alley with a broken broom handle and you >>should be able to use it with the same ability as you have with a >>gun/knife, etc. >> >> Jye >> >> >>michael tomlinson wrote: >> Good question...I personally draw the line just past training with >>knives, >>firearms, and all the prior stuff in Hapkido...let's face it...you aren't >>gonna defend against a sword or nunchukau quite as much as some >>knucklehead >>trying to rob you with a small firearm or knife....there is nothing wrong >>with all the weapons training..so don't take this as disrespectful in any >>way...I just think you should train for the scenarios you will see the >>most....everyone has a bladed weapon and the majority of crimes around >>where >>I live involve firearms, knives, etc....so I pattern my training for that >>scenario... >> >>Michael Tomlinson >> >> >>>From: "Gordon" >>>Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>>To: >>>Subject: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA >>>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:05:49 -0600 >>> >>>Michael Tomlinson said: >>> >>>>defense and your training doesn't actually involve some shooting and/or >>>knowledge of firearms then you are like an animal that has their head >>>stuck >>>in the sand....if samurai were around during the times of very good >>>firearms >>>then I am sure they would all be carrying Glocks....or something like >>>that....maybe it's a Hapkido practicality thing but Self Defense IMHO >>>doesn't involve existing restricting historical protocal...if you are apt >>>to >>>be attacked by something then logic tells you to understand and train for >>>that....am I crazy in my thinking????j >>> >>>Michael Tomlinson> >>> >>>Rick Clark said: >>> >>>>"traditional" Korean weapons . . . . . >>> >>>Rick Clark> >>> >>>In the same manor or thinking, shouldn't we all be training in every >>>style >>>and every weapon that may come our way? Where do you draw the line >>>between >>>tradition and modern practicality? >>> >>>Gordon Okerstrom >>>_______________________________________________ >>>The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >>>The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >>>Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>>Standard disclaimers apply >>>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes >>has >>it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline1 >>_______________________________________________ >>The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >>The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>Standard disclaimers apply >>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Don't pick lemons. >>See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. >>_______________________________________________ >>The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >>The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>Standard disclaimers apply >>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ >From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline1 --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:26:07 -0500 From: "Kevin F. Donohue" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] hapkido in GA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Byrd's Korean Martial Arts Master Mike Byrd 318 Johnny Mercer Blvd. Suite#8 Savannah, GA 31410 Phone: 912-898-0406 Byrdad@aol.com Though Mike is in Savannah, he may have a student of his teaching in Atlanta. Mike is one of only a handful of non-Korean KHF masters in the United States. You may find a Korean born teacher who is a legitimate KHF Hapkido master. You can always contact us at the www.koreahapkidofederation.net website and we will verify with the KHF headquarters that a specific master is KHF certified. Just get the teachers name and their teachers name & kwan, that can be a great help in obtaining the information you need. Let me know if you need any help. Kevin F. Donohue New York, NY -----Original Message----- From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:14 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] hapkido I was so impressed with the clips I've seen of the KHF that hapkido has really peaked my interest. I wonder if there are any no nonsense hapkido dojangs around ATL, GA? Jye --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! 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