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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: GUN DEFENSE (Cayson, Clint) 2. Re: The Banham Slam (tim walker) 3. RE: hapkido (William Scandrett) 4. Hapkido in Atlanta (James K Allison) 5. Golden State Open (Ray Terry) 6. interesting question from another group (Jye nigma) 7. Re: Marlin Sims (ISA Headquarters) 8. Re: GUNS V/S KMA (Tom Kennelly) 9. Re: Hapkido in Atlanta (Jye nigma) 10. Re: interesting question from another group (jay.oconnor@comcast.net) 11. Re: GUNS V/S KMA (Jye nigma) 12. Kicking, Punching, and Stretching Seminar-Bill "Superfoot" Wallace (Adam Gibson's Martial Arts) 13. GUN DEFENSE IN OKLAHOMA (- -) 14. Video clip: ata special abilities (Jye nigma) 15. Firearm defense (burnniemfrazier@aol.com) 16. Re: Hapkido in GA (Beungood8@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] GUN DEFENSE Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:57:24 -0500 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sounds ridiculous but hey... if it's the law, it's the law. Anyway, happy centennial celebration! -------------------------------------- Clint V Cayson -----Original Message----- From: Gordon [mailto:gordon@baes.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:59 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] GUN DEFENSE By the way, in our state, Oklahoma, if we try a block or disarm of a firearm on an assailant, and the weapon discharges and strikes ANYTHING down range, like a building, car or another person, the defender (the person trying the block / disarm) is liable. This can range from property damage to manslaughter. So, what I'm getting at is: it's not just you in danger, your surroundings; even a few blocks away can come into play. You could be imprisoned for manslaughter of someone two blocks away while trying to protect yourself or your family from a wolf or black sheep. -Oklahoma celebrates its centennial this year. 100 years ago, half of the town folk would have helped you shoot the jerk and you'd be a hero. Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "tim walker" To: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:56:34 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The Banham Slam Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I'm wondering why Mr. Banham felt the need to slam the US? With the sudden and drastic rise in handgun violence in Great Britain (how can this be? Aren't handguns illegal in GB?), he might do his students a favor to familiarize them with this real threat. timo "Fir Na Tine, Fir Na Au Saol" --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "William Scandrett" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] hapkido Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:19:04 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, Try Hapkido America in Cornelia GA. It's about 1 hour North East of Atlanta. 706-776-1026 Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  Jye nigma Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject:  [The_Dojang] hapkido Date:  Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:14:05 -0800 (PST) >I was so impressed with the clips I've seen of the KHF that hapkido has really peaked my interest. I wonder if there are any no nonsense hapkido dojangs around ATL, GA? > >   Jye > > > >--------------------------------- >Need Mail bonding? >Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "James K Allison" To: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:47:35 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Atlanta Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My students run a very no non-sense Hapkido school in Lilburn, Georgia which is right in the Atlanta area. My school is 74 miles north east of Atlanta. You can check out their school at www.atlantahapkido.com Respectfully, James Allison --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:24:20 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Golden State Open Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 11th Annual Golden State Open TKD Chip March 17 California State Polytechnical University Pomona, California Using Ringmaster Electronic Scoring System For more info: 626.286.6500 or sktkd@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:28:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] interesting question from another group Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As many of you know there are two main ways to train in Tae Kwon Do. ONe way is the more traditional system of streching, basic movements, kicking, sparing and forms. Each area gets about the same amount of time during an hour long class. My question is in schools that teach more "Olympic Style" what is the mixture of the above items. How much and what type of training do people use to practice the "Olympic Style. If you spend time kicking a bag or targets : how much?; Same with sparring: how long how much per class? --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:33:33 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Marlin Sims Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chief Master Sims can be reached through his web site at: http://www.familymartialart-kuksool.com/ E-mail: info@familymartialart-kuksool.com I met Master Sims in Dallas, TX back in November and it was a treat to sit in the Steak House and listen to the "history" of KSW as he related it. Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14582 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:38:22 -0500 From: Tom Kennelly To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The video shows a couple of really disturbing techniques. 1. Slicing or stabbing the (rifle) attacker clearly after a disarming has occurred. From a liability standpoint the defender now becomes the attacker and can be held accountable for the injuries sustained. 2. Standing between two attackers and expecting them to attack one at a time. This is movie stuff. The defender should move out of that position and line up the attackers as best he can. 3. When the gun or rifle is behind the defender how does he know how far away it is? I do not think they even looked. I know this is just a demo and should not be taken seriously. Jye nigma wrote: > Did you get a chance to see the demo of the KHF hapkido folks I posted last week. I liked alot of their tactics, except for the handgun ones. What did you think? In case you all missed it, here it is again: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4428632708773992271&q=khf&hl=en > > jye > > Gordon wrote: > Michael Tomlinson said: > > defense and your training doesn't actually involve some shooting and/or > knowledge of firearms then you are like an animal that has their head stuck > in the sand....if samurai were around during the times of very good firearms > then I am sure they would all be carrying Glocks....or something like > that....maybe it's a Hapkido practicality thing but Self Defense IMHO > doesn't involve existing restricting historical protocal...if you are apt to > be attacked by something then logic tells you to understand and train for > that....am I crazy in my thinking????j > > Michael Tomlinson> > > Rick Clark said: > > "traditional" Korean weapons . . . . . > > Rick Clark> > > In the same manor or thinking, shouldn't we all be training in every style > and every weapon that may come our way? Where do you draw the line between > tradition and modern practicality? > > Gordon Okerstrom > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:48:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Atlanta To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hopefully I'll be in a better financial position to start hapkido and have my son with me. So thanks to everyone who has sent in some helpful info. On a side note, with all these hapkido folks around in Ga, do any of you get together in a gathering of sorts? if so, how can a brother be down with you? lol Jye James K Allison wrote: My students run a very no non-sense Hapkido school in Lilburn, Georgia which is right in the Atlanta area. My school is 74 miles north east of Atlanta. You can check out their school at www.atlantahapkido.com Respectfully, James Allison _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: jay.oconnor@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] interesting question from another group Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:59:08 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jye nigma > As many of you know there are two main ways to train in Tae Kwon Do. > ONe way is the more traditional system of streching, basic movements, > kicking, sparing and forms. Each area gets about the same amount of > time during an hour long class. Actually, that doesn't match my 'traditional' Taekwondo training either. We probably spent equal time on forms and self defense. That roughly equaled the time on kicking drills and movements. Hand strikes and sparring were less than those. It varied a bit from week to week. Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:04:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] GUNS V/S KMA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net true...and the handgun stuff was not good in my opinion. However, I did enjoy the intensity of how they trained, and what I liked the most is that it wasn't the same ol' "wrist twisting" that you see in every clip labeled hapkido. It showed that there was more to hapkido. But I guess once you learn any system, there can be more to it....what you put into it. Jye Tom Kennelly wrote: The video shows a couple of really disturbing techniques. 1. Slicing or stabbing the (rifle) attacker clearly after a disarming has occurred. From a liability standpoint the defender now becomes the attacker and can be held accountable for the injuries sustained. 2. Standing between two attackers and expecting them to attack one at a time. This is movie stuff. The defender should move out of that position and line up the attackers as best he can. 3. When the gun or rifle is behind the defender how does he know how far away it is? I do not think they even looked. I know this is just a demo and should not be taken seriously. Jye nigma wrote: > Did you get a chance to see the demo of the KHF hapkido folks I posted last week. I liked alot of their tactics, except for the handgun ones. What did you think? In case you all missed it, here it is again: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4428632708773992271&q=khf&hl=en > > jye > > Gordon wrote: > Michael Tomlinson said: > > defense and your training doesn't actually involve some shooting and/or > knowledge of firearms then you are like an animal that has their head stuck > in the sand....if samurai were around during the times of very good firearms > then I am sure they would all be carrying Glocks....or something like > that....maybe it's a Hapkido practicality thing but Self Defense IMHO > doesn't involve existing restricting historical protocal...if you are apt to > be attacked by something then logic tells you to understand and train for > that....am I crazy in my thinking????j > > Michael Tomlinson> > > Rick Clark said: > > "traditional" Korean weapons . . . . . > > Rick Clark> > > In the same manor or thinking, shouldn't we all be training in every style > and every weapon that may come our way? Where do you draw the line between > tradition and modern practicality? > > Gordon Okerstrom > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Adam Gibson's Martial Arts" To: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:09:10 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kicking, Punching, and Stretching Seminar-Bill "Superfoot" Wallace Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi All, We are having a Seminar with Bill "Superfoot" Wallace-Undefeated World Kickboxing Champion this weekend at our school this coming weekend. Saturday Jan.20th/2007. If anyone who is in our neck of woods all styles and belt levels are welcome to participate in the seminars. We have a children's Seminar at 10am to 11am and an Adult seminar from 1PM-4PM. Anyone who is interested please do not hesitate to give us a call: Adam Gibson's Martial Gym 15A King Street West Bowmanville, Ontario L1C 1R2 Phone: 1-905-697-3239 Email: videoman@idirect.com www.adamgibsontkd.com Registration form and Smeinar Poster is on our website. Hope all are well. Adam Gibson (Adam Gibson's Martial Gym) --__--__-- Message: 13 From: - - To: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 02:06:29 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] GUN DEFENSE IN OKLAHOMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ALLLRIGHTY Then,,,And I still Remember that slogan"Oklahoma is OK",,,really???? BAAL _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en -US&source=wlmemailtaglinenov06 --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:23:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Video clip: ata special abilities Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to give them props on this: these guys did a great job: http://streaming.ataonline.com/ataonline/w03_sa_wdt_hi.wvx Jye --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. --__--__-- Message: 15 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:36:19 -0500 From: burnniemfrazier@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Firearm defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just my two cents, some of these techniques were OK however, they were too flashy, too much movement, difficult techniques, impractical! I am ex police officer, defensive instructor, worked drug teams, and SWAT. These guys telegraphed every time right before starting techniques, if someone was prepared to kill them, they probably would die! Sorry just my observation! Keep it simple stupid! Mike ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --__--__-- Message: 16 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:46:26 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido in GA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 1/17/2007 10:14:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Look up Master James Allison in Cornelia ,Ga. He is a no-nonsense Sin Moo Hapkido Instructor. If you send me an e-mail I'll find his contact information. Hapki! JAck Ouellette --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest