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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Deadly Martial Arts (john.a.mcintosh@openreach.co.uk) 2. RE: RE: OK, your good but can you fight? (Cayson, Clint) 3. RE: RE: OK, your good but can you fight? (Cayson, Clint) 4. RE: Martial Arts Tutor Online (Cayson, Clint) 5. Re: century wavemaster bag base (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 6. RE: Martial Arts Tutor Online (michael tomlinson) 7. Re: century wavemaster bag base (jay.oconnor@comcast.net) 8. RE: RE: OK, your good but can you fight? (Joseph Cheavens) 9. RE: century wavemaster bag base (kimahapkido@comcast.net) 10. RE: Martial Arts Tutor (Bert Edens) 11. Re: century wavemaster bag base (Joseph Cheavens) 12. Imperioli credits martial arts for his new life (The_Dojang) 13. RE:Century WaveMaster (UNCLASSIFIED) (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:38:21 -0000 From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Deadly Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye wrote; "Deadly arts is good but unfortunately they only recorded a few episodes: savate/le cane, aikido, capoeira, kalari...,okinawan karate I think that's all. I hope someone does more." I recently bought the DVD series for this show in a remaindered bookstore in Scotland for the bargain price of six pounds (about 9 dollars). I enjoyed it, although I could have done without the travelogue sequences in favour of more detailed martial arts footage Re http://martialartstutor.com/ does anybody else have any problems with this site? Although I can enter the site, at no point does any link information appear, is it just me (oh it is, well that's all right then). John Lang may your lum reek --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: OK, your good but can you fight? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:02:02 -0500 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You maybe right sir. My advice to him was to clarify whatever reason he was asked to fight him and if his instructor is trying to test him not teaching him "how to fight" then it's time for him to move out. I was jokingly told him if right there and then you're going to move out and still asking you to a fight, accept the challenge and if you defeat him it means a lot to you, and if you can't... you'll be staying there and learn as much as possible...", he sat down and thought for awhile... I have not heard of him for the past few days now. Also, my old instructor used to tell me that "fighting doesn't bring you much good to you, unless you're forced to fight". I guess we all have to learn in some ways. And for all the replies, I am thankful enough to read them. Peace to all! -------------------------------------- Clint V Cayson -----Original Message----- From: Burdick, Dakin Robert [mailto:burdickd@indiana.edu] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:26 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: OK, your good but can you fight? My reply: His instructor is challenging him to fight? Maybe its time for a new instructor! If the instructor is trying to prove that he can beat his student, he is on an ego trip and should be avoided. If the instructor is trying to demonstrate that forms are not everything in the martial arts, then maybe your friend misunderstood. I'd have to agree with his instructor. I did forms for a fairly long time (20 years) and used to love them. They are still fun to do as solo practice, but not in the way I learned them -- they're turning into a type of shadowboxing these days. As the old adage goes, the only practice that makes perfect is perfect practice. For my money, forms do not teach fighting. But they are a good form of physical education, and that's important too. If your friend loves forms and doesn't want to work on sparring or self-defense, he should just make that clear. And remember, BJJ teaches good ground grappling, but that's not the only thing one should know either. :) Check out this footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa7OuJ8ZJGE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2fCoUoQrRY Mark Gajdostik mentioned Wavemaster Bags breaking. I've never heard of anyone repairing them. I'm curious, are your students kicking at the bottom or the top of the bag when it rips? I'm assuming side kicks are the culprits, right? Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: OK, your good but can you fight? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:04:18 -0500 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That's a good story. I remember an old kung fu movie with the same type of scenario and the challenger usually lost. Thanks. -------------------------------------- Clint V Cayson -----Original Message----- From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk [mailto:PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:57 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: OK, your good but can you fight? We had a stocky skin headed kid come into out class, walk up to a crowd of us and ask " who's the best fighter out of you lot" I didn't know whether to laugh of not. Anyway he went on to spar some of the senior belts. He got spanked pretty hard. It was fun to watch. The moral of the story is never go looking for a fight! --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Tutor Online Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:07:07 -0500 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Something like this is a good way. Although, I have reservations on learning from a real person than just videos. I give it a 7. -------------------------------------- Clint V Cayson -----Original Message----- From: michael tomlinson [mailto:tomlinson_michael@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:51 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Tutor Online That's a really cool site...some good stuff and not so good stuff...IMHO....the Hapkido folks are basically TKD people who have learned some "hapkido"...the reason I say this is not to be disrespectful in any way....it's just that when I see Hapkido done and being taught at the "tug of war" range and no emphasis on body twisting, knee bending, stepping, pressing, and keeping your elbows in close to your ribs,, I know they haven't studied right or very long....but hey...I'm just an old guy with no video camera..... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] century wavemaster bag base To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:33:41 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings Mr. Gajdostik, It sounds like your hard kicking students are ready to switch to the heavy bag. Pil Sung! Victor mark@tntma.com 01/26/2007 07:31 To PM the_dojang@martialartsresource.net cc Please respond to Subject the_dojang@martia [The_Dojang] century wavemaster bag lartsresource.net base Greetings All, Any of you have quick fix ideas for the wavemaster bags from century? My students seem to be kicking too hard and breaking them. Century wants me to send back a piece cut off of it for credit, but if any of you have discovered a way to repair them, please share. Mark Gajdostik TNT Martial Arts 503-640-8400 www.TNTma.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Tutor Online Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:57:52 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yep I wouldn't even think of learning a martial art from a video...but it is cool to look at...I liked some of the boxing workouts the best...Michael Tomlinson >From: "Cayson, Clint" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Tutor Online >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:07:07 -0500 > >Something like this is a good way. Although, I have reservations on >learning from a real person than just videos. I give it a 7. > >-------------------------------------- >Clint V Cayson > > >-----Original Message----- >From: michael tomlinson [mailto:tomlinson_michael@hotmail.com] >Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:51 PM >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Tutor Online > >That's a really cool site...some good stuff and not so good >stuff...IMHO....the Hapkido folks are basically TKD people who have >learned >some "hapkido"...the reason I say this is not to be disrespectful in any > >way....it's just that when I see Hapkido done and being taught at the >"tug >of war" range and no emphasis on body twisting, knee bending, stepping, >pressing, and keeping your elbows in close to your ribs,, I know they >haven't studied right or very long....but hey...I'm just an old guy with >no >video camera..... > Michael Tomlinson >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page http://www.live.com/?addtemplate=football --__--__-- Message: 7 From: jay.oconnor@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] century wavemaster bag base Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:23:21 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net He he....about two weeks ago I broke the bottom (not the base but the screw on the bottom of the pad) of a WaveMaster III (the tall ones that got al the way down to the base). I was working some power kicks...it was a jump turning backward sidekick. Take care, Jay -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com > Greetings Mr. Gajdostik, > It sounds like your hard kicking students are ready to switch to the heavy > bag. > Pil Sung! > Victor > > > > mark@tntma.com > > 01/26/2007 07:31 To > PM the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > cc > > Please respond to Subject > the_dojang@martia [The_Dojang] century wavemaster bag > lartsresource.net base > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings All, > Any of you have quick fix ideas for the wavemaster bags from century? My > students seem to be kicking too hard and breaking them. > Century wants me to send back a piece cut off of it for credit, but if any > of you have discovered a way to repair them, please share. > > Mark Gajdostik > TNT Martial Arts > 503-640-8400 > www.TNTma.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: OK, your good but can you fight? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:31:53 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dakin, I agree with regards to the instructor's intent. The original post was a little unclear about that, so its hard to say what is going on here. If he was challenging his student to a fight, then by all means the student should walk. If he was trying to challenge the student to think beyond just training forms, then he is just doing his job. Great vids. Who is the woman in the second one and what is the story there?  Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: OK, your good but can you fight? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:26:11 -0500 Clint Clayson wrote: I have a good friend who goes to TKD class for 5 days for 4 years now and he's concern about the question he got from his instructor. Last night while we were practicing (a different MA) told me that he was asked by his instructor 4 times already saying, "OK, your forms are exceptional but can you fight?". Now, I know that he can fight seriously but is this normally a good question to his student? I noticed one time that his attitude changed after learning BJJ from another school... it could be one of the reasons or not but I'd like to know your opinion on this because it maybe too late to stop if my good friend accept his challenge. Thanks. My reply: His instructor is challenging him to fight? Maybe its time for a new instructor! If the instructor is trying to prove that he can beat his student, he is on an ego trip and should be avoided. If the instructor is trying to demonstrate that forms are not everything in the martial arts, then maybe your friend misunderstood. I'd have to agree with his instructor. I did forms for a fairly long time (20 years) and used to love them. They are still fun to do as solo practice, but not in the way I learned them -- they're turning into a type of shadowboxing these days. As the old adage goes, the only practice that makes perfect is perfect practice. For my money, forms do not teach fighting. But they are a good form of physical education, and that's important too. If your friend loves forms and doesn't want to work on sparring or self-defense, he should just make that clear. And remember, BJJ teaches good ground grappling, but that's not the only thing one should know either. :) Check out this footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa7OuJ8ZJGE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2fCoUoQrRY Mark Gajdostik mentioned Wavemaster Bags breaking. I've never heard of anyone repairing them. I'm curious, are your students kicking at the bottom or the top of the bag when it rips? I'm assuming side kicks are the culprits, right? Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] century wavemaster bag base Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:43:39 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, If you are talking about the long wavemaster bag that screws into another piece at the bottom, I have had same problems with that for a while. They are awesome bags and Century did awesome job of taking care of the situation if your bag was less than one year old. Anyway, I threw away my first piece and reordered it without the base. I was upset when it happened to second and third bag and I didn't want to reorder them and spend more money. I drilled 6 holes at the bottom piece all the way thru from top to bottom and I drilled another 6 holes at the lower part of the top piece. I used nylon string and nut to secure them together. It was a trial and error and I had to restring it couple times, but, now my students are kicking and punching away. I have not had any problems with it for awhile. Hope this helps, I love to hear some new ideas. Good luck. SJK -----Original Message----- From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com [mailto:Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:34 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] century wavemaster bag base Greetings Mr. Gajdostik, It sounds like your hard kicking students are ready to switch to the heavy bag. Pil Sung! Victor mark@tntma.com 01/26/2007 07:31 To PM the_dojang@martialartsresource.net cc Please respond to Subject the_dojang@martia [The_Dojang] century wavemaster bag lartsresource.net base Greetings All, Any of you have quick fix ideas for the wavemaster bags from century? My students seem to be kicking too hard and breaking them. Century wants me to send back a piece cut off of it for credit, but if any of you have discovered a way to repair them, please share. Mark Gajdostik TNT Martial Arts 503-640-8400 www.TNTma.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Bert Edens" To: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:14:50 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Martial Arts Tutor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, and he will likely be a master in all of them by the time he's 17 :) **bows** - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas > -----Original Message----- > This is very interesting concept. Any of you guys like to do the same? > > http://martialartstutor.com/ Interesting... That same little yellow belt kid is learning 18 different martial arts. Amazing, simply amazing... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] century wavemaster bag base Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:14:16 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Are these the freestanding ones? At Pacific Taekwondo in Honolulu we had to limit kicking full force on those to the kids classes, as we kept breaking the plastic tubing inside that the padding is wrapped around. If you want/need a freestanding type bag, I've found the Bob to be very durable, plus you get the added benefit of it being more like a person, so you can work more on precision striking. For general bagwork, I really like the Thai style "banana" bags. A bit more pricey than the more boxing style heavy bag, but I like the extra length for practicing leg kicks and they don't swing as much the smaller bags. http://store.everlastboxing.com/everlast-thai-heavy-bag.html Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jay.oconnor@comcast.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] century wavemaster bag base Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:23:21 +0000 He he....about two weeks ago I broke the bottom (not the base but the screw on the bottom of the pad) of a WaveMaster III (the tall ones that got al the way down to the base). I was working some power kicks...it was a jump turning backward sidekick. Take care, Jay -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com > Greetings Mr. Gajdostik, > It sounds like your hard kicking students are ready to switch to the heavy > bag. > Pil Sung! > Victor > > > > mark@tntma.com > > 01/26/2007 07:31 To > PM the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > cc > > Please respond to Subject > the_dojang@martia [The_Dojang] century wavemaster bag > lartsresource.net base > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings All, > Any of you have quick fix ideas for the wavemaster bags from century? My > students seem to be kicking too hard and breaking them. > Century wants me to send back a piece cut off of it for credit, but if any > of you have discovered a way to repair them, please share. > > Mark Gajdostik > TNT Martial Arts > 503-640-8400 > www.TNTma.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:36:13 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Imperioli credits martial arts for his new life Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Imperioli credits martial arts for his new life 'Sopranos' star says tae kwon do helped him quit cigarettes, improve acting George McLaughlin NEW YORK - On TV, Michael Imperioli honors the godfather. Off-screen, he bows to a martial arts grandmaster. The 40-year-old actor, who plays the heroin-addicted, hothead mobster Christopher Moltisanti on "The Sopranos," says he owes his clean new real life to tae kwon do teacher Tae Sun Kang, who also trains Imperioli's wife, Victoria, and children. "I was in terrible physical shape. I smoked a pack a day," he said. "Tae kwon do has transformed our family in body, mind and spirit. It has changed us as human beings." Story continues below $B"-(B advertisement He gave up cigarettes after taking up the martial art four years ago. His wife, their sons David, 9, and Vadim, 5, and a 16-year-old daughter from Victoria's previous marriage, Isabella, take classes from Kang at his school in Tribeca, the Manhattan neighborhood where the Imperiolis live. Tae kwon do also has changed Imperioli's acting, he said. "I have more focus, concentration, confidence," he said. "Tae kwon do teaches you that you can overcome any obstacle, that you can tackle anything." On Saturday, the family honored Kang with a big bash in a small off-Broadway theater run by Imperioli and his wife because Kang attained his 9th degree black belt $B!=(B the highest rank in the kick-and-punch Korean martial art. These days, Imperioli is busy shooting new episodes of "The Sopranos." He won an Emmy in 2004 playing the perpetual screwup Christopher, Tony Soprano's nephew. --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:39:03 -0600 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE:Century WaveMaster (UNCLASSIFIED) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Mark, Not a way to fix the stand, but, I had same problem with one I had bought for the school. I told century it would cost me to much to send the part they wanted back. (Box it up, ect) They let me cut a part of the center piece up into quarters with my saber saw. Took me a few minutes, but I mailed it back to Century in an 8.5 x 11" envelope. Might help you. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest