Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:58:24 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #44 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Re: flow of the ki (Cayson, Clint) 2. RE: flow of the ki (J R Hilland) 3. Wish it was Hapkido (The Hindley's) 4. KI,,or Pointing the Finger (- -) 5. Re: KI,,or Pointing the Finger (Jye nigma) 6. RE: Re: flow of the ki (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: flow of the ki Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:12:03 -0500 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Some things are unexplainable. I came from a country that mysticism is part of our culture some are true and some aren't. With regards to someone's chi or ki, I know a man that can throw a person heavier and bigger than him. With his abilities to do some "superhuman" strength doesn't involve in muscles but with his chi. I haven't done it myself but there are sometimes I too have doubts but some people would cash on this type of things and that is not mysticism but cynicism. Peace, -------------------------------------- Clint -----Original Message----- From: Christian Briggs [mailto:cbriggs_2000@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:15 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: flow of the ki I would be actually interested in reading more about it....but I must say that I am somewhat skeptical about "mystic" chi or ki energy. Saying that...I also believe that internal energy is very real, and that some of the "superhuman feats" or more focus and intensity than any thing else. It would be pretty sweet to be a jedi though. -Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: flow of the ki > That's real....it has to do with spirits that basically enter the vessel. > When you meditate you are taught to empty yourself. When you empty > yourself, you put your guards down, and are subseptical to any and all > spirits that wish to enter your body. This happens because you enter into > the altered state called ALPHA. hypnotists, occultist, even fake pastors > use this state. It's easier to reach this state by doing drugs, and > drinking because those things let your guards down faster. chi kung can > also reach this state. the legends of old of master having supernatural > power can be viewed as true, but only due to the presence of a spirit > within them. I have alot of material on this matter if you're interested > I'll share some of the stuff. it really explains some things that happened > to me in my training. very interesting but frightening stuff. Now with > that said I do believe in an internal power, but having more to do with > will power, however, in the higher levels you're taught > to envoke spirits. > > Jye --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:13:34 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: flow of the ki Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<<...Pointing your finger to direct your throw isn't that effective but when there is good execution of a technique, it shouldn't be neglected...>>> Mmmm. Can't say the above sentence is correct. An extension of your ki finger can provide very effective direction if you are not thinking of linear motion. Think 'decreasing radius circle' (an important hapkido theory of basic motion)..... JRH www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "The Hindley's" To: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:24:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Wish it was Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings all, Having exhausted almost all recources for a (close enough) Hapkido school in my area I am going to go by this Aikido school and take a look. I have found a listing for Douglasville Suenaka School of Aikido 4081-A Anneewakee Road Douglasville, GA 30135 Dojo Cho: Sensei Gene Cross 770-920-8756 I know this is a KMA digest Mr. Terry, Hope you dont mind I was wondering if anyone might know the teacher, school or reputation of this organization? Thanks Greg Hindley Douglasville, Georgia --__--__-- Message: 4 From: - - To: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:59:18 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] KI,,or Pointing the Finger Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Inever learned that part as "directing chi"-When I was taught chinese grappling the explaination was almost the same about it tightening the forearm muscles-but one part left out was -not only does it increase your grip-it dramatically increases the angle needed by your opponent to break your grip!! Try this-have students grab each other with full hands-all 4 fingers and thumbs-have the defenders attempt to break the grip by raising their hands straight up.Next have them grab with only the thumb and last 3 fingers.They instantly realize they have to pull much further to get out of the grip.Funny you should mention that-I havent thought about it in years.Another thing to enjoy about this forum-wonderful memories. Oh-and that spirit stuff,,,uhhh,,,errr,,,ummm-yes Jye-please send more info-I dont want to pass judgement before I have most of the facts. BAAL _________________________________________________________________ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:36:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KI,,or Pointing the Finger To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net let me compile some info I have so that I can share it. I can share my experiences, but honestly, it would sound weird unless you've traveled the same path. Jye - - wrote: Inever learned that part as "directing chi"-When I was taught chinese grappling the explaination was almost the same about it tightening the forearm muscles-but one part left out was -not only does it increase your grip-it dramatically increases the angle needed by your opponent to break your grip!! Try this-have students grab each other with full hands-all 4 fingers and thumbs-have the defenders attempt to break the grip by raising their hands straight up.Next have them grab with only the thumb and last 3 fingers.They instantly realize they have to pull much further to get out of the grip.Funny you should mention that-I havent thought about it in years.Another thing to enjoy about this forum-wonderful memories. Oh-and that spirit stuff,,,uhhh,,,errr,,,ummm-yes Jye-please send more info-I dont want to pass judgement before I have most of the facts. BAAL _________________________________________________________________ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:47:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: flow of the ki To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net when you observe different people performing things you'll notice a common thing. From no touch KOs to benny hinn laying people out by waving his hands, and having people think they are healed. We have to understand, some people can perform what SEEMS like the unbelieveable by inducing people into the alpha state. I have footage of a Benny Hinn clip where he is being interviewed and the person interviewing him says hynotists say you use hypnotist things (I'm paraphrasing) and you're quite good. I'll share his shocking response later on. So yes there are 'tricks' that can be done through people being put into the alpha state. But then on the other hand are the other people who can do certain things because of basically being possessed. The feat of hurling someone bigger stronger etc is quite believeable, just think about the crazed man in the bible who was kicking everyone's butt who went by his cave...lol. he was possessed. So these feats of supernatural healing and starting fire by waving the hand, and supernatural strength is nothing new. It's right on time. Now I said alot, give me a little time to get my videos and references together. I want to provide references of master speaking of invoking or using spirits I guess pantheism is the term? Jye "Cayson, Clint" wrote: Some things are unexplainable. I came from a country that mysticism is part of our culture some are true and some aren't. With regards to someone's chi or ki, I know a man that can throw a person heavier and bigger than him. With his abilities to do some "superhuman" strength doesn't involve in muscles but with his chi. I haven't done it myself but there are sometimes I too have doubts but some people would cash on this type of things and that is not mysticism but cynicism. Peace, -------------------------------------- Clint -----Original Message----- From: Christian Briggs [mailto:cbriggs_2000@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:15 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: flow of the ki I would be actually interested in reading more about it....but I must say that I am somewhat skeptical about "mystic" chi or ki energy. Saying that...I also believe that internal energy is very real, and that some of the "superhuman feats" or more focus and intensity than any thing else. It would be pretty sweet to be a jedi though. -Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: flow of the ki > That's real....it has to do with spirits that basically enter the vessel. > When you meditate you are taught to empty yourself. When you empty > yourself, you put your guards down, and are subseptical to any and all > spirits that wish to enter your body. This happens because you enter into > the altered state called ALPHA. hypnotists, occultist, even fake pastors > use this state. It's easier to reach this state by doing drugs, and > drinking because those things let your guards down faster. chi kung can > also reach this state. the legends of old of master having supernatural > power can be viewed as true, but only due to the presence of a spirit > within them. I have alot of material on this matter if you're interested > I'll share some of the stuff. it really explains some things that happened > to me in my training. very interesting but frightening stuff. Now with > that said I do believe in an internal power, but having more to do with > will power, however, in the higher levels you're taught > to envoke spirits. > > Jye _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest