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Invitation to 2007 Beijing WTF Championships (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dave Marriott" To: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:33:08 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki Finger Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> It was once explained to me that a three finger grip is stronger than the four finger one. Personally I could never understand this. I can however see (and feel) the logic in the above. If you consider the third and fourth fingers as fulcrums for the turning force then removing the fourth finger moves the fulcrum further away from the thumb resulting in more force being required to release. It's similar to placing a block of wood under a claw hammer to pull a nail out. Dave Marriott http://www.yakma.co.uk dave@yakma.co.uk --__--__-- Message: 2 From: James O'Connor Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] How do you 'do' Hapkido Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:02:28 -0700 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:16 PM, David Seward wrote: > I don't practice Hapkido, but what about tournaments? > > Regards, > David Seward > Tournaments are like a concert. Sometimes you prepare for it and then you do it, but sometimes you just want to have fun if you have an hour to spare just doing some thing creative and enjoyable There is the time perfecting the skills and the art and the craft, through scales or improving your roundhouse kick. But just as 'playing the perfect scale' is not an end but a means to a better musical expression, what do you do with the skills developed from the drilling on your roundhouse kick? Thanks, Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: jay.oconnor@comcast.net [mailto:jay.oconnor@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:21 PM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] How do you 'do' Hapkido > > All, > > This is from a letter I sent to my instructor this morning. I have > not > heard back but I was wondering if anyone else has thoughts... > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Here's something that has been running through my head for a few > days and I > thought I would ask you > > How do you do Hapkido? > > OK, that makes no sense so I will explain :) > > As a musician, I spend a lot of time working with my instrument on > drills, > scales, practicing, learning, streatching and growing. However > that is a > means > to an end; the end is to play, to create music. Whether recording or > playing > live, I take all those hours of practice and go do something with > it that is > fun > and personally rewarding. > > Most hobbies are like that. > > Now Im wondering about MA in the same light. Are we spending hours > and > hours > and weeks and months and years training for that point in time that > we pray > really never happens (the self-defense/real world encounter). Or > is there > some > way to take what we learn, what we practice, what we drill and turn > it into > something...I don't know...something fun? Something personal? > > I suppose Sparring and Forms would fit into this as 'something to > do that > can be a personal satisfaction to exercise the skills I've spent so > much > time developing'. However [the adults] really don't > do forms. > > So I'm wondering, a lot just for myself. How does one take the > skills and > techniques; the physical and mental improvements, and translate > them into > 'something fun to pass the time and feel like I've accomplished > something' > Is it > all about having a higher and stronger kick? Or can I do something > more? > > This is not about being bored; it's just about finding a us and an > expression > for a way of life. > > ------------------------------------------------- > Thanks, > Jay > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Jay O'Connor jay@r4h-music.com http://myspace.com/jwoconnor http://www.garageband.com/artist/jayoconnor --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 06:37:09 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF names Korean-American as secretary general Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo's world governing body names Korean-American as secretary general SEOUL, Feb. 7 (Yonhap) -- The governing body of the Korean martial art taekwondo has named a Korean-American, Yang Jin-suk, as its new secretary general, the World Taekwondo Federation (WTF) said Wednesday. The 65-year-old Yang is a 1965 graduate of Kyunghee University in Seoul. After moving to the United States, he operated taekwondo gymnasiums in Colorado and California, the WTF said in a press release. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:36:11 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ki is a lot about belief. I don't believe in ki. I believe in using visualizations, physical metaphors, emotional manipulations, and just plain ol' attitude. A belief in ki might enhance my use of those techniques, but I'm unwilling to allow myself to believe because (1) really, it doesn't exist and (2) a belief in ki makes one susceptible to witchcraft (in the anthropological sense). I better explain. If one believes in luck, one believes in good or bad luck: http://skepdic.com/superstition.html To take that argument further, if you believe ki can do good things for you, then you also believe ki can do bad things to you. If you can will yourself to be healthy (placebo effect), you can will yourself to be unhealthy (psychosomatic effect): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosomatic This is similar to Munchausen syndrome, where a desire for attention becomes unhealthy: http://www.clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/2800/2821.asp?index=98 33 Some people believe in the efficacy of witchcraft itself: http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/channel/blog/2005/03/explorer_witchcraft. html http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/35/229.html http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=dc095c67-99fc-4ddc-99db-a3e 1392bbb4e&k=0 and of course, (inserting tongue in cheek), some people believe Harry Potter is behind all of this: http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1387.cfm Getting back to martial arts, I've seen a lot of people believe in ki, but I've never seen what I would really believe is ki. The Amazing Randi (whom someone already pointed to) is one of my heroes, because like Harry Houdini (one of Randi's heroes!), he goes around debunking the belief in real magic. His book Flim Flam is a good read. Be sure to read Autobiography of a Yogi for the other side of the argument. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 06:45:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Anderson Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ki Finger To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It also has to do with "power grip" and "precision grip." Power grip is for lifting and hold heavy objects. It requires strength but less finesse. Precision grip is for fine manipulation. It requires finesse but less strength. The last two fingers of the hand (little finger, ring finger) are designed for power grip. The first finger (pointer finger) is designed for precision grip. Thumb and middle finger are designed for both. For illustrations, try holding a pail of water with your precision grip while pointing your little and ring fingers. Also, try writing using just your power grip (little, ring, and thumb). Using the precision grip (pointer finger) for a power grip situation (holding someone's wrist) is *very* ineffective and often detrimental. Pointing that first finger gets it out of the way and guarantees that you're using your power grip. Of course, once you know you're not using your precision grip, it's better to keep your pointer finger in contact with what your gripping to help prevent your opponent from grabbing it and breaking it. Jeremy Anderson. --- Dave Marriott wrote: > << and > thumbs-have the defenders attempt to break the grip by raising their > hands > straight up. Next have them grab with only the thumb and last 3 fingers. > They instantly realize they have to pull much further to get out of the > grip.>>> > > > > It was once explained to me that a three finger grip is stronger than > the > four finger one. Personally I could never understand this. I can however > see > (and feel) the logic in the above. If you consider the third and fourth > fingers as fulcrums for the turning force then removing the fourth > finger > moves the fulcrum further away from the thumb resulting in more force > being > required to release. It's similar to placing a block of wood under a > claw > hammer to pull a nail out. > > > > Dave Marriott > > > > http://www.yakma.co.uk > > > > dave@yakma.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html --__--__-- Message: 6 From: David Weller Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:36:04 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Spirits invading the body? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sirs, The reason a smaller man can throw a larger man is due to good body mechanics. Jigaro Kano developed a pretty good system based on that very principle: Using your opponents size and momentum against him. I also do not believe that you can render someone unconscious without touching them unless you are drugging or hypnotizing them, and as any hypnotist will tell you, you cannot hypnotize an unwilling subject. This is just plain malarky! As far as spirits entering the body, sheesh!!! The 12th century is over! dave weller --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Ki Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:50:16 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can anyone tell me what this is::: last week a bunch of tornados hit the area I live in around Deland Florida....it really devastated a huge part of the south side of my town...one of my good friends lives in the area where one of the tornados hit....we couldn't get a hold of him for two days...he finally called us last Sunday....the tornado hit his house around 4:15 in the morning and tore the roof totally off his house...Richard told me that at approx. 3;30 in the morning he had not viewed anything about the weather and was sound asleep when at 3:30 he woke up from a dead sleep...raised up in bed wide awake and distinctly heard a voice in his head that was not his own say "get out of this house now"....he said he threw his clothes on and got in his car and went to the store that he is a manager of which was closed but he had the keys...stayed there....45 minutes later.......total destruction of his neighborhood....what was that... also..Dakin...do you believe in God??? Michael Tomlinson >From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:36:11 -0500 > >Ki is a lot about belief. I don't believe in ki. I believe in using >visualizations, physical metaphors, emotional manipulations, and just plain >ol' attitude. A belief in ki might enhance my use of those techniques, but >I'm unwilling to allow myself to believe because (1) really, it doesn't >exist >and (2) a belief in ki makes one susceptible to witchcraft (in the >anthropological sense). I better explain. If one believes in luck, one >believes in good or bad luck: > >http://skepdic.com/superstition.html > >To take that argument further, if you believe ki can do good things for >you, >then you also believe ki can do bad things to you. If you can will >yourself >to be healthy (placebo effect), you can will yourself to be unhealthy >(psychosomatic effect): > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosomatic > > >This is similar to Munchausen syndrome, where a desire for attention >becomes >unhealthy: > >http://www.clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/2800/2821.asp?index=98 >33 > >Some people believe in the efficacy of witchcraft itself: > >http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/channel/blog/2005/03/explorer_witchcraft. >html >http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/35/229.html >http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=dc095c67-99fc-4ddc-99db-a3e >1392bbb4e&k=0 > >and of course, (inserting tongue in cheek), some people believe Harry >Potter >is behind all of this: > >http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1387.cfm > >Getting back to martial arts, I've seen a lot of people believe in ki, but >I've never seen what I would really believe is ki. The Amazing Randi (whom >someone already pointed to) is one of my heroes, because like Harry Houdini >(one of Randi's heroes!), he goes around debunking the belief in real >magic. >His book Flim Flam is a good read. Be sure to read Autobiography of a Yogi >for the other side of the argument. > >Yours in the arts, > >Dakin Burdick >dakinburdick@yahoo.com > >[demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a >name of winmail.dat] >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] How do you 'do' Hapkido Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:08:20 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sparring, forms, bag work. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James O'Connor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] How do you 'do' Hapkido Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:02:28 -0700 On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:16 PM, David Seward wrote: >I don't practice Hapkido, but what about tournaments? > >Regards, >David Seward > Tournaments are like a concert. Sometimes you prepare for it and then you do it, but sometimes you just want to have fun if you have an hour to spare just doing some thing creative and enjoyable There is the time perfecting the skills and the art and the craft, through scales or improving your roundhouse kick. But just as 'playing the perfect scale' is not an end but a means to a better musical expression, what do you do with the skills developed from the drilling on your roundhouse kick? Thanks, Jay >-----Original Message----- >From: jay.oconnor@comcast.net [mailto:jay.oconnor@comcast.net] >Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:21 PM >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] How do you 'do' Hapkido > >All, > >This is from a letter I sent to my instructor this morning. I have >not >heard back but I was wondering if anyone else has thoughts... > >------------------------------------------------- > >Here's something that has been running through my head for a few >days and I >thought I would ask you > >How do you do Hapkido? > >OK, that makes no sense so I will explain :) > >As a musician, I spend a lot of time working with my instrument on >drills, >scales, practicing, learning, streatching and growing. However >that is a >means >to an end; the end is to play, to create music. Whether recording >or >playing >live, I take all those hours of practice and go do something with >it that is >fun >and personally rewarding. > >Most hobbies are like that. > >Now Im wondering about MA in the same light. Are we spending hours >and >hours >and weeks and months and years training for that point in time that >we pray >really never happens (the self-defense/real world encounter). Or >is there >some >way to take what we learn, what we practice, what we drill and turn >it into >something...I don't know...something fun? Something personal? > >I suppose Sparring and Forms would fit into this as 'something to >do that >can be a personal satisfaction to exercise the skills I've spent so >much >time developing'. However [the adults] really don't >do forms. > >So I'm wondering, a lot just for myself. How does one take the >skills and >techniques; the physical and mental improvements, and translate >them into >'something fun to pass the time and feel like I've accomplished >something' >Is it >all about having a higher and stronger kick? Or can I do something >more? > >This is not about being bored; it's just about finding a us and an >expression >for a way of life. > >------------------------------------------------- >Thanks, >Jay >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Jay O'Connor jay@r4h-music.com http://myspace.com/jwoconnor http://www.garageband.com/artist/jayoconnor _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:15:42 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Lurking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone It has been a long time since I sent a post however I do read the posts. I have been training and teaching at my Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan school, and cross training in BJJ. I have been lucky to have spent nearly 60 hours on the Mat with Rener Gracie (Head instructor at the Gracie Jujitsu Academy) over the last couple of months. I have had two fighters compete in Louisiana's Battle Cage 360. The next fight will be in Monroe, Louisiana March 17th. I again have two fighters that will be in the cage. I have also enrolled in a seminar with Sean "Muscle Shark" Sherk in March. Training is Good. I have not in anyway diluted the integrity of the traditional martial art of Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan by entering the fight game. I still teach a very traditional class for all ages. Fighter train on separate days in a separate area of the school. Look on www.ISCFMMA.com for more information about the next Battle Cage Fight JC _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:27:06 -0800 (PST) From: Sunilchandra Dal To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: How to do Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What about the application of martial arts to daily life? When we practise martial arts, we develop attributes like stronger will power, endurance, the willingness to see a task through though it may be unpleasant or difficult. These could be applied to life as life too is a battle. And our biggest opponents could be ourselves, who hold us back from doing the most we can in our short lives, making us stay within comfort zones, observing self-limits. According to me, applications of martial arts to life is a big undiscovered field, which is yet to realise its full potential. I am looking forward to learn more about this from all you Hapkido experts on this net. Regards Sunilchandra Dal the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: 13. How do you 'do' Hapkido (jay.oconnor@comcast.net) 14. RE: How do you 'do' Hapkido (David Seward) --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:47:36 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ki To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net True ki is mainly about mind intent. Now. If we leave it at that, then nothing is wrong with that and everything you learn to do with ki in the martial arts still fits into the functioning of ki. But as a Christian I can't believe in it as taught by some chinese masters. I can't believe "Burdick, Dakin Robert" wrote: Ki is a lot about belief. I don't believe in ki. I believe in using visualizations, physical metaphors, emotional manipulations, and just plain ol' attitude. A belief in ki might enhance my use of those techniques, but I'm unwilling to allow myself to believe because (1) really, it doesn't exist and (2) a belief in ki makes one susceptible to witchcraft (in the anthropological sense). I better explain. If one believes in luck, one believes in good or bad luck: http://skepdic.com/superstition.html To take that argument further, if you believe ki can do good things for you, then you also believe ki can do bad things to you. If you can will yourself to be healthy (placebo effect), you can will yourself to be unhealthy (psychosomatic effect): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosomatic This is similar to Munchausen syndrome, where a desire for attention becomes unhealthy: http://www.clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/2800/2821.asp?index=98 33 Some people believe in the efficacy of witchcraft itself: http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/channel/blog/2005/03/explorer_witchcraft. html http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/35/229.html http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=dc095c67-99fc-4ddc-99db-a3e 1392bbb4e&k=0 and of course, (inserting tongue in cheek), some people believe Harry Potter is behind all of this: http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1387.cfm Getting back to martial arts, I've seen a lot of people believe in ki, but I've never seen what I would really believe is ki. The Amazing Randi (whom someone already pointed to) is one of my heroes, because like Harry Houdini (one of Randi's heroes!), he goes around debunking the belief in real magic. His book Flim Flam is a good read. Be sure to read Autobiography of a Yogi for the other side of the argument. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:28:59 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Invitation to 2007 Beijing WTF Championships Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Invitation to 2007 Beijing WTF World Taekwondo Championships 07 Feb 2007 Changping Gymnasium, No.1, Nanhuanxi Road, Changping The Invitation to 2007 Beijing WTF World Taekwondo Championships District, Beijing, China 102200 Tel: 86-10-69744843 / Fax: 86-10-69744844 E-mail: tkdchina2007@mail.21dnn.com, Website: www.chinabjtkd2007.com January 10, 2007 To: Council Members & Auditors, WTF Presidents, WTF Member National Associations Re: Official Invitation to 2007 Beijing WTF World Taekwondo Championships (18th & 11th Women's) Dear Sir/Madam, In accordance with the instructions of the World Taekwondo Federation, it is with great pleasure to extend an invitation to your association to participate in the 2007 Beijing WTF World Taekwondo Championships (18th & 11th Women's) to be held on May 18-22, 2007 in Beijing, China. As we all know, the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games are going to be held in August, 2008. Therefore, the 2007 Beijing WTF World Taekwondo Championships are extremely important to your national team to be seasoned with every aspect in Beijing before the Olympics. We hope that you and your honored national team will enthusiastically take part in this event to display the highest spirit of the Olympic sport and the enhancement of taekwondo techniques. On behalf of the Organizing Committee, we would like to ensure that we will make every possible effort in organizing a successful championship of the highest technical level. I look forward to seeing you in Beijing, China. Sincerely yours, Cui Dalin Sun Kangline --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest