Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 02:58:26 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #46 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Ki concepts? (Lasich, Mark D.) 2. Re: Ki (Christian Briggs) 3. Joseph Lumpkin (Dr. Daryl Covington) 4. RE: psychosomatic effects (julie) 5. Weekend in Fla (- -) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:22:07 -0500 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang" Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki concepts? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All this talk of Ki really interests me - I'd love to believe, but understand the caution that some have raised. The mind is a powerful tool, and I am sure most of us know the real, physical effects of just plain thought. Consider public speaking...How many get "stage fright" at just the thought of getting in front of a group of people? The mind alone causes rapid heart beat, upset stomach, sweating, shaking, etc. Wow - merely at the simple thought of doing something one doesn't want to do! Hmmm, could there be an opposite effect? Sure, we all know nothing exists singularly - there's always an opposite. Could I use the power of my mind to instill a positive energy that would have equally measurable positive physical effects on myself? I suspect so, though I can't speak from experience (rats). Ok - now the leap. Faraday's Law relates magnetics and electricity. So, if firing neurons uses/generates electricity, this in turn creates a magnetic field, can the movement of that magnetic field cause a real electrical effect that can be directed to be felt by another person? I don't know. It is far easier to believe when you can see or understand what is happening. Believing without seeing? Well, suffice it to say that's difficult no matter what the subject. I just wish Luke would have spent more time training with Yoda - there was so much there that seems to parallel this Ki discussion. In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Christian Briggs" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ki Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:13:10 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to agree with this statement. Again...the intensity and focus is what I work on when I am trying what would be a Ki technique. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ki > True ki is mainly about mind intent. Now. If we leave it at that, then > nothing is wrong with that and everything you learn to do with ki in the > martial arts still fits into the functioning of ki. But as a Christian I > can't believe in it as taught by some chinese masters. I can't believe --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:07:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Dr. Daryl Covington" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Joseph Lumpkin Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A couple of weeks age I wrote about Joseph Lumpkin (7th Dan Hapkido, World Kido Federation), being in an experiemental airplane crash. His back was broken, and he underwent surgery. Last week, he taught Hapkido at his school in Alabama. Now THAT is the determination of a warrior brothers! Daryl Covington Seoul, South Korea --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "julie" To: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:24:23 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: psychosomatic effects Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dakin Burdick posted: Ki is a lot about belief. I don't believe in ki. I believe in using visualizations, physical metaphors, emotional manipulations, and just plain ol' attitude. To take that argument further, if you believe ki can do good things for you, then you also believe ki can do bad things to you. If you can will yourself to be healthy (placebo effect), you can will yourself to be unhealthy (psychosomatic effect): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosomatic ********************************************* I wonder how your statement should be interpreted? Are you saying that you do not believe that you can will yourself healthy or unhealthy? The placebo effect is a proven psychological effect that people who believe that they are getting treatment even if receiving a placebo can, indeed, get well. The psychosomatic effect is also quite true. Think about stress. Stress is generally considered a mental phenomena. Yet, many physical signs and symptoms can be attributed to stress. A short listed copied from the WebMD website includes: * Dizziness or a general feeling of "being out of it" * General aches and pains * Grinding teeth, clenched jaw * Headaches * Indigestion * Increase in or loss of appetite * Muscle tension in neck, face or shoulders * Problems sleeping * Racing heart * Cold and sweaty palms * Tiredness, exhaustion * Trembling/shaking * Weight gain or loss * Upset stomach * Sexual difficulties These definitely look like symptoms of "unhealth" to me. I have a big problem with the website skepdic, but that conversation is for another day. The main reason that I completely dislike this website is that their implications and explanations of anything that is not 100% traditional western medicine is "wrong". I agree that there are many "flakes" in this world, but just because we can't explain why something works, doesn't mean that it doesn't. So, I guess before I create the potential for an argument, I'm asking for clarification about your statements. Thanks- Julie --__--__-- Message: 5 From: - - To: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:49:02 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Weekend in Fla Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My wife and I are planning a Mini-vacation in Kissimmee-Orlando.I have always enjoyed meeting my "computer" friends-always amazing to see all we really have in common!!!!Meeting one or more of you would be a pleasure.This is gonna be more like an extended weekend-we will be flying in on Mar 2 and heading out on the 5th-Sorry,but i'm kinda a workaholic-been pushing the vacations lately,kinda forcing myself to like them-pretty soon I think I will be able to take a whole week off!!!Anyone who would like to meet up please email me BAAL _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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