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Re: sorry, more Ki stuff (Ray) 8. http://zdragon.bitbytenibble.com/ (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:42:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] KSW article Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kuk Sool Won´s Fighting Animals by Jane HallanderOriginally published in TaeKwon-Do Times, November 1996 For some reason, martial artists like to believe that the study of animal fighting tactics is exclusive to and has its roots in Chinese martial arts. Not so, according to ancient records and modern day martial arts masters, like Kuk Sool Won's ninth degree master, In Joo Suh. While Chinese martial arts appeared to place a greater emphasis on individual animals by establishing whole systems around a single creature (Praying Mantis Kung-Fu, for instance), other countries, such as Korea, found animals as a whole to be an important source of fighting knowledge. "Early man had to eat, and out of this need, hunted for his food. As he foraged, he watched and copied the hunting and survival tactics of other animals. Sometimes he applied his new knowledge to the animals he hunted, and occasionally he also used these skills against the larger animals that found man as suitable prey. Over time, man developed a crude form of martial arts, begun mostly through trial and error (costly if he lost) and through imitation of other animal´s fighting behaviors." explains San Antonio, Texas based Suh. As the human race grew and established territories and nations, martial arts in those territories expanded, particularly when these countries went to war with one another. War between nations gave man the opportunity to further develop his martial arts into ever more advanced forms; some of these would become a way of life and a code of ethics for martial artists. As he watched an eagle catch a rabbit, two tigers fighting, or a snake capture a frog, the budding martial artist added not only more techniques but also the spirit and fighting principle of each animal. While the use of animal fighting tactics is common to Chinese martial arts, it´s not quite as well known for other cultures. Perhaps the nature of Japanese martial arts, to take an example, places more value on man-created techniques than those developed from other forms of life. Korea, on the other hand, brought a more practical and straightforward approach to its martial arts. While animal hunting and survival tactics played a role in Korea´s martial history, they were obscured due to centuries of no-non-sense fighting. Only in certain Korean fighting systems have the principles of animal fighting styles surfaced to form an integral part of the art. Specifically, Kuk Sool Won, a martial art with roots extending to the very beginning of recorded Korean martial history, utilizes information derived from careful observation of many different animals. However, still keeping with the Korean philosophy of basic practicality, Kuk Sool Won animal forms are vastly different from those of other martial systems. Kuk Sool practitioners believe that merely to imitate the animal is not good enough. People are not animals. People reason, rather than react. Humans have different body structure, two legs instead of four. Therefore, just imitating an animal´s motions doesn´t make a powerful, effective technique. Only by careful conversion of each individual creature´s fighting principles into human requirements does the animal form become effective. Then, not only are they an effective method of fighting, but they greatly enhance and expand the human warrior´s strength and capabilities. Each Kuk Sool teacher has special martial interests that he carefully cultivates, making him an expert in his specialty. Master In Joo Suh, who heads three Kuk Sool Won schools in San Antonio, Texas, studies and applies animal forms as one of his special martial tools. Suh has spent considerable time observing the animals that Kuk Sool Won has drawn from Korean martial history. Suh refers to the ancient theory of five elements to explain the importance of studying more than just one animal. "The five elements of martial strength," he explains, "are speed, internal power, breathing, balance (body control), and practice. These are important, not only to martial arts, but to the animals we study. Even the animals adhere to the five element basics when they practice their fighting tactics in the guise of play." Just as Kung-Fu´s five elements (water, fire, earth, metal, and wood) have different qualities and relationships, the Korean five-element theory dictates that each animal has different strengths and weaknesses over other creatures. To elaborate, no single animal is completely free of enemies and natural predators. The snake runs from a crane, while the crane, in turn, flees from an eagle. As in the Chinese description of the five elements, there is a continuous circle where each animal counters another creature and is countered by still another. That´s why, in Suh´s opinion, no martial artist should be satisfied with the knowledge of only one type of defense, animal or not. For instance, if a small person has to defend himself against someone larger, he shouldn´t have to rely on the tiger form, for example, that requires great strength. Instead, he might call upon his knowledge of the snake´s fighting habits, placing his entire body power into his defensive counterattacking blow. Although there are other animal forms to be found in Korean martial arts, not all suit the individual practitioner, and the student should choose only those that do. Suh, himself, has five favorite animals. Praying Mantis Snake Tiger Eagle Crane Other lesser-known animals, commonly thought of in martial circles, including the bear and leopard, are also seen in Kuk Sool. A bear is actually a defensive animal. It fights standing upright and uses extreme bulk, body balance and strength to power its large paws. Some Kuk Sool palm techniques, requiring a strong stance, are taken from the bear's fighting strategy. Leopards are strictly attack animals using extreme speed. The leopard´s fighting tactic is that it doesn´t care or worry about retaliation. The animal´s speed is so great that it neutralizes the speed and power of the opponent. That is exactly the theory that brings the leopard into Kuk Sool Won. There are no special hand techniques characterizing the leopard, just blinding speed and forward thrusting power. When several animal fighting principles have been mastered, Kuk Sool stylists put them together into rapid, successive combinations of fighting techniques. From each animal, martial artists take its unique fighting habits and combine them with their human thought processes to further enlarge their martial expertise. --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:21:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Superhormone? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Does he really teach that? How do you reconcile the affects of Ki (chi) and its training methods with the physiological effects of adrenaline? Further, how do you train the body to not respond to a chemical cocktail designed to cause a reaction? Further, Ki is also translated as air, as well as energy. Modern science has identified that the human acts like a type of capacitor. How do you reconcile that? I think that the supposition that ki is a superhormone is well based is something other than fact and science. My personal feeling is that, like any system, energy is produced by a complex interaction of chemicals, not unlike the theory behind why a chemical laser works. I believe in ki and I believe that it can make you healthier. I believe though that the solution resides in a chemical cocktail not in a single component. My rationale is based on systems engineering. When you take any system and you unbalance the load, you develop issues. This has proven more prominent in nature than in manufacturing. People who profess to have strong ki are healthier, so it would seem that things must remain in balance for maximum efficacy. This also begins to explain the concept of Wuwei and being centered. A return to center refers to being balanced. Perhaps there was a miscommunication? Hapkido is based on balance and the interplay of um and yang to elicit an effect. Would you not agree? Sometimes you are hard, sometimes you are soft. It really depends on what the stimulus is, yes? Thoughts? ~f. --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Superhormone? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Does he really teach that? Ummm, yes. > How do you reconcile the affects of Ki (chi) and > its training methods with the physiological effects of adrenaline? Further, > how do you train the body to not respond to a chemical cocktail designed to > cause a reaction? Further, Ki is also translated as air, as well as energy. > Modern science has identified that the human acts like a type of capacitor. > How do you reconcile that? Sounds like you should go for James Randi's $1M (US) offer. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:44:02 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been reading the post about Ki and wanted to add my 10 cents. The two cents will be free. Chi or Ki is the bodies enternal energy. The arguement is --can we channel it. Science has proof that we all have it. Electrical impulses in the brain allow it to function. This is not mistical but fact. Can we channel it I don't know. I have seen people that claim to be able to and could demonstrate that ability. Master Anthony Ahpo used to make this claim and I saw him do a few things I could not explain. However I have never been able to proove to myself that I was createting power or strenghth with anything other than Physics M=MA, Relaxation, and proper line. That is not to say I have dismissed the tha idea. Just that I can not explain dis-proove it. PS. Hello Master McCauley hope to see you soon. JC _________________________________________________________________ >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:53:32 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Luther MMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Luther Yes we are still doing the MMA thing. I only send fighters to fights sanctioned by ISCF (www.iscfmma.com) and only send fighters to events promoted by Albert Cole at the extreme impact school in Shreveport. Mr. Cole is a TKD guy that I have known literally since he was 10 years old and his brother is my best friend here in Texas. His events are run very professional and the fight cards are good. After the fight in August, I was ask to be a cage side judge in January. That fight was held at Harrahs Cassino and Race Track in Shreveport. It was an excellent show. The next event I have two fighters on the card. It will be in Monrow, Lousiana. Sean "Muscle Shark" Sherk will be a guest at that event. He is the Light Weight UFC Champion. He is also doing a clinic that week end which I will attend. I would like to invite you to the show. it will be March 17th, Then I will be off to Houston for UFC 69. I aready got my tickets for that. My web site is www.mdkregionsix.com Thanks for asking JC _________________________________________________________________ Valentine’s Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:57:50 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] sorry, more Ki stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net So what does the KI in Hap Ki Do mean? What is the sound we make in most Korean arts. ( Ki Hap) What are Soo Ki, Hwa Ki, Chun Ki and Chi Ki. Maybe it is simpler than we are trying to make it. Curt McCauley Chief Instructor Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] sorry, more Ki stuff To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > So what does the KI in Hap Ki Do mean? Power or energy. > What is the sound we make in most Korean arts. ( Ki Hap) ?!? You don't say ki or kihap when you kihap. That would be somewhat like yelling the word scream when you scream. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:52:50 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [The_Dojang] http://zdragon.bitbytenibble.com/ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Tomlinson, A check of the Sin Moo schools at http://sinmoo.com/ has your URL, http://zdragon.bitbytenibble.com/, but it seems to be offline or it has a new name or ??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest