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(David Weller) 14. from another group: increasing speed (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:04:14 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] What does the ki hap in hap ki do do? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Curt said: >So what does the KI in Hap Ki Do mean? What is the sound we make in most Korean arts. ( Ki Hap) What are Soo Ki, Hwa Ki, Chun Ki and Chi Ki. Maybe it is simpler than we are trying to make it. My reply: Ki means energy. The ideogram in Chinese for ki looks like steam rising from a stove. Hap for me is coordination or unity. Hap is the same as ai in Japanese, and iaido (my other art) is sometimes translated as the art of being in the right place at the right time. If hapkido is the way of coordinated energy, then a kihap would be coordinated energy (or focused energy?), but kiai (the Japanese equivalent) is often called a "spirit shout." Can someone describe the Chinese or Japanese equivalents of Soo ki, Hwa ki, Chun ki, and Chi ki? Or give us the page in the Minjung dictionary where we can find them? Hwa and Su are easy enough to look up, but are those the correct romanizations for Chun and Chi? Chun: is it Chun, Ch'un, Cheon, Ch'eon, Ch'eun, or Cheun? Chi: Is it Chi or Ch'i? Take care, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:05:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] $1M offer Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Don't be silly. I'd have to believe that Ki was something supernormal. If you read what I said, I think it should be crystal clear that I don't think it is anything of the kind. I think that with all the literature available from both modern sources, and from the Classics, its clear that it cannot be adrenaline. That contradicts pretty much everything that is written. Further, I'm talking about health. I'm not talking about limb hardening, which was also contributed to ki but was the results of the reorganization of calcium crystal in bone tissue from stress. Somehow, I don't think that the application of science to martial art would garner me $1M. At the same time, we do need to face the reality that there are things that we don't yet understand, like that dead kid who just came back to life the other day. f. --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] $1M offer To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:56:07 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... we do need to face the reality that there > are things that we don't yet understand, like that dead kid who just came > back to life the other day. That is very easily understood. He was never really dead. Some things are just that simple. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:59:57 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The "I want to train with you" scam... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just fyi... A typical scam where you sponsor someone into the country and then once here they disappear. ------------------------------------- Sir, most respected it is stated that I am Khalid Rashid Bhatti from Pakistan. I am a martial arts instructor. I have seven martial arts schools in different cities of Pakistan. My teams also have to participate in 9th prince's cup 2006. Which was held in Bangkok Thailand. Actually I had been visiting your web site and I am really inspired to your setup. Sir now I want to get special training from your great martial arts school. Please guide me about best and easiest way. Also tell me about 1. Course fee? 2. Course duration? --__--__-- Message: 5 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy New Year Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sunday begins the year of the golden pig. No, really... :) Happy (Lunar) New Year. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] http://zdragon.bitbytenibble.com/ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:09:44 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, The person who hosts my site must of been busy doing something when you accessed it...I just tried it and it came right up in all my splendor and uggliness......I mean fuggliness...you don't have to add the www.,,that might be the confusion... on the matter of ki not having to do with the adrenal hormone....how much closer to science can you be then stating that ki is helped in it's development by working with the endocrine system...adrenaline is about as real as you get and the feats of superhuman strength being attributed to it in times of life and death struggles are probably the closest measurable accounts of what we have in our modern history...IMHO that is much more believable to the "logic centered" and the "feeling centered" groups of people that I discussed earlier...I mean...bottom line...Doju Nim Ji takes a lot of the mystery out of ki development and gives you a set of parameters to live by that will help you develop and balance your activation of ki....it is done primarily thru the "superhormone"...which is based in the beginning in the adrenal glands and from there is controlled by what he calls the ancient or old part of our brains which lies in the very center and deep... actually the first time he explained all this to me I thought...ok...that makes much more sense from what I learned in college anatomy and physiology then all the fluff and puff I have heard in the past.....he just breaks it down and says do this, this, and that, and you will have more of it when you need it.....period...no mirrors, swamis, secret handshakes, or lapel pins.... Michael Tomlinson >From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) >Subject: [The_Dojang] http://zdragon.bitbytenibble.com/ >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:52:50 -0800 (PST) > >Mr. Tomlinson, > >A check of the Sin Moo schools at http://sinmoo.com/ has your URL, >http://zdragon.bitbytenibble.com/, but it seems to be offline or it has >a new name or ??? > > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Refi Now: Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-17727&moid=7581 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Happy New Year Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:17:21 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sunday down here in Daytona Beach is the Daytona 500....so down here it will be the weekend of the BBQ'ed pig......YEAH BABY!! Michael Tomlinson >From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) >Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy New Year >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:02:21 -0800 (PST) > >Sunday begins the year of the golden pig. No, really... :) > >Happy (Lunar) New Year. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices you’ll love. Compare products and save at MSN® Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] $1M offer Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:14:54 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kind of like a doctor I once heard saying that in Med school they were taught a saying that "if you are in a pasture on a ranch in Montana and you hear horse hooves on the ground behind you when you turn around you are more likely to see horses than zebras...." I thought that was pretty cool...in other words....LOOK FOR THE OBVIOUS FIRST!! Michael Tomlinson >From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] $1M offer >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:56:07 -0800 (PST) > > > ... we do need to face the reality that there > > are things that we don't yet understand, like that dead kid who just >came > > back to life the other day. > >That is very easily understood. He was never really dead. >Some things are just that simple. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices you’ll love. Compare products and save at MSN® Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:43:01 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] > So what does the KI in Hap Ki Do mean? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > So what does the KI in Hap Ki Do mean? My understanding is that Ki means energy. The character is a composite of two characters, one meaning uncooked rice, combined with the character for air, vapor or steam also in a smaller way breath. What happens when you add steam to uncooked rice? Presto! You get food which our body converts to energy. In most of the training I have seen Ki work involves breathing. ( Ki Gong or Energy work or influence) The character I have seen for Hap means to unite, meet or join. Soo Ki = water energy Hwa Ki = Fire energy Chun Ki = Heaven energy Chi Ki = earth energy What does it all mean? So much to learn and so little time. Curt McCauley Chief Instructor Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:09:19 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] my alma mater for Chuck Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How Norris will roundhouse kick his way into the OSU Presidency Kevin O'Rourke The Ohio State University - The Sentinel 2/15/07 In our lifetimes we have been fortunate to watch the passing of the torch from one great leader to another: Bush I to Clinton (!?), Paul Tagliabue to Roger Goodell, and Biggie Smalls to P.Diddy. At Ohio State, we are fortunate to watch a veritable torch-passing from President Karen A. Hollbrook to her successor. After spring commencement, President Karen A. Holbrook will retire after five years of service to the university. In her five years she has led the charge to raise our academic standards, some even call us the "Miami of Ohio" of the Midwest, enforced open container and grill restrictions in parking garages on game days, and helped raise tuition by 52 percent since 2002. Though it pains the staff here at The Sentinel to see Karen retire at such a young age, we too must soldier on. Dear readers, though are hearts sear with indescribable pain, we bring to you, The Sentinel's Short List of Possible Replacements for the Esteemed Karen A. Holbrook: Chuck Norris, TV-dad Sandy Cohen of the O.C., and Jesse Ventura. Unfortunately, since E. Gordon Gee's departure in 1998, the OSU president has lacked certain toughness. Word on the street is that President Holbrook has a nice karate leg sweep, but nothing compared to Gee's gorilla-like uppercut. Presidents around the country laugh at President Holbrook and her inability to hold up the legend of black-belt Presidents. Ohio State needs a president practiced in the arts of fighting. More specifically, we need an undefeated six-time World Professional Middleweight Karate champion, who has also moonlighted as a Delta Force agent, pitchman for the Total Gym exercise machine, a National Dodgeball Association of America judge, and a Texas Ranger who just so happens to know four different types of martial arts. That's right; Chuck Norris is The Sentinel's number one choice to replace President Holbrook. Sure, Norris doesn't have any professional experience as an academic professor, or as a college administrator for that matter, but he has many other redeemable qualities. He is the first man in the Western Hemisphere to be awarded an 8th degree Black Belt in the Tae Kwon Do system, he refrains from drug use, and participates in countless community service projects. This would bode well for OSU's legendary Greek system, in that next year's "Rock the Block" will not only be metaphorical, as getting out of line will promptly earn you Mr. Norris's feared roundhouse kick to the face. But Norris is more than just a badass. He is an accomplished salesmen, motivational speaker, and he has been a staunch supporter of the little man throughout his career - and as we all know, at Ohio State, the little man doesn't come any smaller than the student. Though his advisors may attempt to persuade Norris to raise tuition, he is sure to point to rule number nine of Chun Kuk Do: "I will maintain an open-mindedness toward other person's viewpoint while still holding fast to what I know is true and honest." What is true and honest for Chuck Norris? Standing up for the little guy, oops, I mean, the student. If the tuition-pushers don't give up, let them be warned, Chuck knows Tang Soo Do, which is a traditional Korean martial art that translated means "Way of the Empty Hand." Basically, this shows OSU students that Chuck Norris isn't afraid to slap a bitch or a USG officer. Fact: Chuck Norris lost his virginity before his dad did. Chuck Norris has been a friend to the little man for a long time, but he was a fighter before he was a champion for the needy, so students may need someone whose actual livelihood is earned through defending the little guy. A public defender would be perfect for an OSU president: they'd be against raising tuition, more considerate of the students' circumstances, and they would take a lower salary then most college presidents. Unfortunately, very few public defenders have the administrative experience to be a capable college president - but this is where Sandy Cohen comes in. As the patriarch of the Cohen family, he is fair, a firm disciplinarian, smart, honorable, and always there for you when get in trouble. Sandy, arguably, is the greatest TV dad of all time. Besides practically earning Father-of-the-Year, he ran one of the biggest fictionalized real estate companies in southern California, so he knows how to appease the administrative base while catering to the proverbial little guy. He is also just one of the guys, surfs in the morning, and helps around the house. The Sentinel agrees that this is definitely the type of president you could go out for a beer with. Hell, if you get in trouble with the police, he may just adopt you, and who couldn't live with Kirsten Cohen as their step mom? Still, there is no doubt that Chuck Norris would take out Sandy Cohen as a prospective candidate with a simple Norrisian uppercut. Plus, he'd make Sandy cry with one flex of his bicep. Fact: Since 1940, the year Chuck Norris was born, roundhouse kick related deaths have increased 13,000 percent. There are going to be those in the administration and student body that are going to want someone that has some sort of academic experience, unfortunately Chuck and Sandy lack this important element. There is a candidate with academic experience, has held a civil service role, and been known to kick some ass. Jesse Ventura's resume reads like a what's-what of interesting job description. He served as a Navy Seal during Vietnam on their Underwater Demolition team, wrestled in the golden age of the WWF, served as governor of Minnesota, and visited Harvard as a Fellow at the Kennedy School of Governments Institute of Politics. Ventura has many different perspectives on the world and his diverse experiences can help Ohio State expand its broad appeal to an even greater body of people, but "The Body" is not without his detractors. Many point to his positive stance on the legalization of prostitution, civil rights for homosexuals, and the use of medical marijuana. Some would argue that Ohio State doesn't need that type of open mind leading a major research institute. Many of those detractors are the religious zealots who currently own a monopoly on space in the oval. God forbid they would have to compete with a gay, pot smoking prostitute for a corner of the Oval. Still, Chuck Norris is much more capable in dealing with religious zealots who see open-mindedness as in sin. Norris simply has the upper hand over Ventura, as one roundhouse kick will guarantee renunciation of all world religions and all would live at OSU during a time of peace, prosperity of understanding under Chuck Norris. The fact is, we need Chuck Norris to guarantee we won't be laughed at by the international academic community because of our lack of tough martial arts skills. We are tired of raising tuition and of the cronies who that think we need to re-renovate recently renovated buildings. We are sick of not being allowed to party, grills ablaze, during games without the hammer coming down on us. Moreover, we at The Sentinel are sick of religious crazies. Chuck Norris is the only man for the job who will maintain student rights, while also maintaining the ability to make babies and old women cry with one raise of the eyebrow. Please hiring committee, don't drop the ball again…And if I were you, I wouldn't keep Chuck Norris waiting. Fact: Chuck Norris doesn't sleep. He waits. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:25:57 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Electronic Protector Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Int'l Electronic Protector Taekwondo Tourney Slated for March 4-5 16 Feb 2007 An international taekwondo tournament using electronic protectors is scheduled for March 4-5 this year in Chuncheon, Korea. The WTF-promoted Electronic Protector International Taekwondo Championships, to be held at the Hoban Gymnasium in downtown Chuncheon, Gangwon Province, is expected to draw about 200 athletes and officials from about 20 countries. Countries that have already confirmed their participation in the so-called electronic protector test event are Australia, Azerbaijan, China, Chinese Taipei, Egypt, France, Greece, Iran, Israel, Italy, Japan, Mexico, the Philippines, Russia, South Africa, Spain, Turkey, Vietnam and Korea. The electronic protector taekwondo event is very important for the WTF as it will determine, after the test event, whether to use the electronic protector system at the upcoming 2007 World Taekwondo Championships and the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games. The 2007 World Taekwondo Championships are scheduled for May 18-22 in Beijing. Athletes will compete in four male and four female Olympic categories on a single-elimination tournament format. The WTF will provide athletes with electronic body and head protectors produced by Korea's LaJUST. The opening ceremony of the electronic protector event is scheduled at 4 p.m. on March 4, which will feature a demonstration of taekwondo practitioners with a disability and a display of competition uniforms for taekwondo poomsae. Given the importance of the event, the two-day championships will be broadcast live across the nation at least for two hours a day. The WTF signed a recognition contract with LaJUST as the official supplier of electronic protectors on Sept. 11, 2006. The development of electronic protector systems by LaJUST dates back to 1982, when it established a research institute, EIDSS (Electronic Impact and Detection Scoring System), in New Heaven, Connecticut, the United States. LaJUST succeeded in producing its first electronic protector system, FP-1, in 1984. In 2004, it produced its latest sixth electronic protector system. The WTF has devoted much of its time and energy over the last two years to the development of an electronic protector system to help ensure fairer judgment and refereeing at taekwondo competitions. The WTF strongly believes that the use of electronic protectors would greatly help enhance the image of taekwondo and the WTF, as they could reduce possible controversies arising from judgment and refereeing at taekwondo competitions. The WTF's ad-hoc Reform Committee, which was created in November 2004 and concluded its operations in February 2005, recommended a highly effective and accurate electronic protector to be a valuable addition to the sport of taekwondo by helping make judgment more objective. The WTF, accordingly, set up an ad-hoc Committee on Electronic Protectors in July 2005, and organized its first demonstration of electronic protectors drawing three companies - Korea's LaJUST, ATM of Austria and Impact Measurement, a joint venture between the United States and Korea. After the demonstration, the WTF commissioned the Korea Institute of Sports and Science to produce a report on basic specifications of electronic protectors and the KISS announced its specifications. The WTF held its second demonstration of electronic protectors on March 25, which drew four companies - LaJUST, adidas (ATM), True Score, formerly Impact Measurement, and Daedo International of Spain. Of the four participants, LaJUST was the only company that passed the "acceptable" level of the basic technical requirements in four categories to be applied to taekwondo competitions. The four categories are accuracy of the sense-impact, differentiation of valid impact and invalid impact, consecutive impacts, and calibration. According to the KISS report to the WTF, LaJUST also passed the laboratory tests, which involved transmission system, safety on electricity and electronics and endurance of materials. On Jan. 12, 2007, the WTF held its third demonstration attracting two companies - adidas of Germany and Daedo International. Adidas presented its electronic protector system engineered by ATM. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:14:22 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Kihap Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<...What is the sound we make in most Korean arts. (Ki Hap)...>> I almost dropped my coffee cup reading that one I laughed so hard. <<>> Well said Ray, saying 'Kihap', would be sort of like saying 'yell with enthusiasm'! :) JRH www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: David Weller Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:48:10 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kim Chi? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net So, all we have to do is "think" we have strong ki and we will be healthier, better people? If some one tells Mr. Tomlinson he looks good in purple Spandex, does that make it so? No more than "Professing" to have strong ki will make you any different than before the profession. The amazing Randi would have a ball with this crowd.... The explanation given by GM Ji via Master Terry and Purple Spandex man are about the best I have seen. Takes all the BS out of it. thanks guys! dave weller On Feb 16, 2007, at 4:59 AM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > People who profess to > have strong ki are healthier, so it would seem that things must > remain in > balance for maximum efficacy. --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:14:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] from another group: increasing speed Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net any speed drills to double up our kicking speed on sparring? --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest