Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 02:59:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #58 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Craigs Reply (Luther Veuleman) 2. US Juniors Win Nine (Ray Terry) 3. 5 More Gold Medals for Juniors on Final Day (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:15:55 -0800 (PST) From: Luther Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Craigs Reply Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig, Really good post man. I think the octogon cagged ring is trademarked or somehow 'off limits'. I've seen non-octagonal cages though. I know the rings have got to be cheaper than the cages, I would think that is a primary indicator, but you're right, not the only indicator. All of the stuff I posted is strictly from a mildly educated spectators opinion. Since MMA is not my deal, I try not to judge it from a teacher/coach perspective. I'd be like me saying 'such and such teaches better Hapkido than so and so", not my arena. If another, more reputable promoter came to some of these things I've been to, they'd probably have a worse off opinion than I do. I just quietly shake my head at this stuff, they'd probably say something. I like your 'karate geek' comment, its SO true. There is alot of that in the area, and all three events I've been to here, and the two I went to back home, were all ran by guys who I KNOW FIRST HAND that their individual experience came from judging point sparring rings. In their defense, a few of these schools have been putting on events pretty heavily for the last year and a half, so now they have more experience...but is it better ? Good questions man. --Charlie V -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take my opinion with a grain of salt, but keep in mind I compete (3-0 record)and train other fighters. Having a cage or not is about the last thing Iworry about when dealing with promoters. Some of the biggest pro promotionsin the world (Pride FC, IFL, Bodog, etc) choose a roped ring over a cageformat. Cost has nothing to do with it. Have you priced a ring lately?Here's what you need to consider. How do they treat you and your fighters? Do you have adequate changing andbathroom facilties? Access to water? Mats and pads in the warm-up area. Dothey even have a warm-up area.Does the promoter keep his promises? If they offer help on gas and motel money, do you have to chase them down to get the money or are they up-frontabout it? Do they schedule firm bouts in advance, or do they play "switcheroo" the night of the fight? Do they practice good matchmaking?How about security? How about medical professionals on stand-by? A ringdoctor? Paramedics in attendance? does their referee know his job? Do they have experienced judges? There's nothing worse than for a guy to train months for a fight, and then have hisnight ruined by some karate geek who has never judged MMA and doesn't know what the hell they're looking at. Venue. Do they hold it in a nice area (school gym, or community center) asopposed to the local watering lounge (night club, lodge, or worse)? Are theytrying to draw the family crowd (no smoke, no alcohol, more secure) or theidiot crowd that wants to see blood (smoke, beer, rowdy fans that don't knowtheir place).Do they start on time? What's the opinion of folks who have dealt with thembefore? Are they trying to build the sport and help fighters on the rise, orare they just trying to make a buck? How many events have they had before?So much to consider. Having a cage is no big deal. I know a pathologicalliar with warrants on their ass from three different states who also happensto own a cage. It just takes a little money and an address to have it sentto. If you find an organization that you feel comfortable with and they treat yougood...by all means support their events (cage or no cage). Just do the duediligence before you send guys in there to risk some skin. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:39:05 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] US Juniors Win Nine Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net U.S. Juniors Win Nine Gold Medals at U.S. Open February 17, 2007 ORLANDO, Fla. -- U.S. junior competitors (ages 14-17) won nine of the 12 divisions Saturday at the 16th Annual U.S. Open Taekwondo Championships held at the Orange County Convention Center. The event concludes on Sunday. Gold medalists of the U.S. were: Anees Hasnain (McKinney, Texas) in women's finweight; Kayla Witten (Troy, Ohio) in women's flyweight; Cheryl Krause (Fairfax Station, Va.) in women's lightweight; Ally Creel (Highlands Ranch, Colo.) in women's welterweight; Jayme Cajimat (Ewa Beach, Hawaii) in men's flyweight; Jensen Ishida (Waipahu, Hawaii); Damian Villa (Los Angeles, Calif.); Eugene Kim (Fullerton, Calif.); and Thomas Lee (Alexandria, Va.). Hasnain defeated Brittany Coyne (Littleton, Colo.) in sudden death; Witten beat Mexico's Margarita Rodriguez Camacho, 7-5; Krause defeated Mexico's Diana Pasillas, 7-0; Creel bested Beatrice Kelly (Jacksonville, Fla.), 4-3; Cajimat beat Kevin Gomogda (Tampa, Fla.) by withdrawal; Ishida defeated Matthew Yim (Ashburn, Va.), 4-2; Villa edged Jaysen Ishida (Waipahu, Hawaii), 5-4; Kim shutout Tyler Sawyer (Anchorage, Alaska), 3-0; and Lee defeated Canada's Reggie Ralph, 5-2. Other gold medalists were Canada's Rita Barakat who defeated fellow Canadian Elizabeth Belleau, 6-(-1) in the women's bantamweight final, Canada's Christine Trieu who beat Shaina Krause (Fairfax Station, Va.) in sudden death in the women's featherweight final, and Canada's Lawrence Phamhung who won the men's finweight final in sudden death over Matthew Ramirez (San Jose, Calif.). Bronze medal winners on Saturday were: Kristen Frisch (Avon Lake, Ohio) and Talina Le (Woodinville, Wash.) in women's finweight; Erica Getto (Scarsdale, N.Y.) and Holly Patterson of Canada in women's flyweight; Kimberly Doughty (Mesquite, Texas) and Sarah Stein (Redmond, Wash.) in women's bantamweight; Charlotte Craig (Murrieta, Calif.) and Lea-Marie Dumont of Canada in women's featherweight; Chelsea Barrios (Valrico, Fla.) and Chelsi Davis (Rockville, Md.) in women's lightweight; Jade Black (Hudson, Ohio) and Chelsea Pellegrino (Highlands Ranch, Colo.) in women's welterweight; Abimael Martinez of Puerto Rico and Steven Tidwell (Bristow, Va.) in men's finweight; Jayson Zuluaga (Miami, Fla.) and Pedro Romualdo of El Salvador in men's flyweight; Mike Kellokoski of Sweden and J. Aaron Porras (Highlands Ranch, Colo.) in men's bantamweight; Billy Golding (Miramar, Fla.) and Jason Sam (Honolulu, Hawaii) in men's featherweight; Brice Yu (Jonesboro, Ga.) and Thomas Ly (Rockville, Md.) in men's lightweight; and Eric Phamhung of Canada and Nikolaus Gottschalk (Seminole, Fla.) in men's welterweight. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:57:29 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 5 More Gold Medals for Juniors on Final Day Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Five More Gold Medals for U.S. Juniors on Final Day of U.S. Open February 18, 2007 ORLANDO, Fla. -- U.S. junior athletes (ages 14-17) captured five more gold medals Sunday during the final day of competition at the 16th Annual U.S. Open Taekwondo Championships. Winners on Sunday were Connor Myers (Edmond, Okla.) who defeated Kodylee Karm (Largo, FL) in the men's middleweight final, 6-4; Chris Detmering (St. Charles, Mo.) who beat Canada's Anthony Barrow in the men's light heavyweight final, 3-2; Leah Shipchack (Milford, Conn.) who defeated Alexandria Dortch (St. Petersburg, Fla.) in the women's middleweight final, 9-2; Brandi Powers (Nottingham, Md.) who edged Canada's Courtney Condie in the women's light heavyweight final, 6-5; and Alysha Culver (McKean, Pa.) who beat Nazara Muwakkil (Clearwater, Fla.) in the women's heavyweight final, 5-3. Other junior gold medalists on Sunday were Puerto Rico's Jose Ortiz who defeated Melvin Harris (Indianapolis, Ind.) in the men's light middleweight final, 3-1; Mexico's Saul Dela Rosa Mendoza who beat Taylor Thornton (Chesapeake, Va.) in the men's heavyweight final, 4-3; and Norway's Nikolina Kursar who defeated Elin Johansson of Sweden in the women's light middleweight final, 4-3. Bronze medalists in the junior 14-17 year-old divisions were: Tyler Knittel McDavid (Loveland, Ohio) and Jordan Earl of Canada in men's light middleweight; Salvador Velez of Puerto Rico and Aaron Waldron (Las Vegas, Nev.) in men's middleweight; Mehdi Dehghani (Springfield, Va.) and Thomas Kinley (Wexford, Pa.) in men's heavyweight; Victor Maldonado of Honduras and Lance Pares of Puerto Rico in men's heavyweight; Natalia Ocasio of Puerto Rico and Daniela Chavez of Mexico in women's light middleweight; Cornelia Torres (Inverness, Ill.) and Rachel Cunningham of Canada in women's middleweight; Katerina Nedvedova of the Czech Republic and Nathalie Iliesco of Canada in the women's light heavyweight; and Candy Esparza (Blue Island, Ill.) and Kyla Millington (Coon Rapids, Minn.) in women's heavyweight. Gold medalists in Sunday's 11-13 year-old divisions were: Carolena Carstens (Glen Ellyn, Ill.) in women's super finweight; Angelica Guting (Hayward, Calif.) in women's finweight; Nicole Vancleave (Lake Tapps, Wash.) in women's flyweight; Brisa Morales (Sauk Village, Ill.) in women's bantamweight; Emily Basten (Hoffman Estates, Ill.) in women's featherweight; Jeanelle Ben (Pearl City, Hawaii) in women's lightweight; Michelle Silva (Chicago, Ill.) in women's welterweight; Tatyana Vallejo (Sun Valley, Calif.) in women's middleweight; Aniela Gardziola (Hudson, Ohio) in women's heavyweight; Dmitry Rivin (Rockville, Md.) in men's super finweight; Asante Davis (Seattle, Wash.) in men's finweight; Calin Washington (Seattle, Wash.) in men's flyweight; Jeffery Williams (Blue Island, Ill.) in men's bantamweight; Jean Morales of Puerto Rico in men's featherweight; Shashank Bhat of Canada in men's lightweight; Cory Shipley (Seminole, Fla.) in men's welterweight; Leyton Galapia (Whittier, Calif.) in men's middleweight; and Troy Lunn (Carlsbad, Calif.) in men's heavyweight. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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