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RE: Cutting weight (michael tomlinson) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:11:44 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Refs needed Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Attention: U.S. International and A-Level Referees February 22, 2007 USA Taekwondo will be accepting names of referees interested in officiating at the Senior National Team Trials, being held March 16, 2007 at the Dallas (Texas) Convention Center. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:08:09 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] decent kick videos Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Work on your 540: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-pxy9Cigk&mode=related&search=zeus Work on your back spin kick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6or4rhBoWQ --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Teaching methods Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:25:39 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> That's what the hell I'm talking about. I don't post here much anymore (yes, I know most of you are glad about that...SHADDUP), but this subject has hit a nerve and I feel compelled to speak out. First, let's not even START comparing this incident to "abuse" or "bullying". The kid took some light kicks to the stomach. Is that the way I teach? No. Do I think there's a better way to persuade the kid? Yes. Do I think it's abusive or out of line? HELL NO!!! Am I the only one who's had a football coach with a jaw full of chewing tobacco grab me by the face mask and drag me out in front of the whole group and call me everything but a child of God and ended up looking like a freckled kid with the measles because of all the tobacco-spittle all over my face from his screaming? Did it hurt my precious feelings? Yes. Did I get over it? Yes. Did my Dad go up there and complain to the coach and claim that my civil rights were violated? Hell no...because he got it twice as bad as I did growing up. Now, do I think this made me a better person? Of course. Better for the one's who love and care about you in this world to put you through the ringer and get you prepared for what's out there as opposed to learning it first-hand from those that are only looking to walk over you. Yin and yang, my peeps. You gotta walk softly (the yin) and carry a big stick (the yang). How are you gonna get some yang (that sounds funny) if you spend all your life in "fuzzy kissy huggy" land. I like peace, love, and happiness as much as the rest of the human race. But, adversity is what makes you stronger or at least compels you to GET stronger. As stupid as it sounds, most of us could use a little more adversity in our lives. And these kids today (boys AND girls) could use a little toughening up. Better to get a little kinesthetic "tough love" in the dojo, as opposed to having to live through the Great Depression like our grandparents did. I swear to God...if this generation had to fight the Nazis during WW2 then I'd just pack it in and start learning German cuz there ain't no way in hell we'd win. Nope...sad but true. I am firmly against abuse. I am firmly in favor of good, hard training. Know the difference and save some of the traditions that are worth saving. Peace and chicken grease. Craig "Don't Kick Me, I Have Fragile Emotions" Stovall --__--__-- Message: 4 From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:42:56 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Discipline in the Dojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Tomlinson & Craig "Don't Look at Me Like That" Stovall, I myself am an intern instructor. I am aware that my actions reflect on my instructor, school, and impact her income. The way some responded to the question as if the instructor is question kicked the kid across the room. I get the impression that the kid was tapped to get the point across. Yes, Yes, Yes, I know that a line can be crossed between disciple and abuse. I also agree with Mr. Michael “The Purple Menace” Tomlinson and Mr. Craig "Don't Look at Me Like That" Stovall. At our school we have a 6 foot length of PVC pipe with the ends padded we call the giant Q-tip. Think the pugilist sticks from USMC training. Anyway, the youguns sometimes feel that keeping their hands up during kicks or being strong during basic technique (BT) is not important. When that lackadaisical attitude rears its head, I get the Giant Q-tip and walk around as I call out kicks or count BT. If a student’s hands droop, sag, or flop or their BT is not strong they get bopped. Did the father watch classes and ask questions before he signed his son up or was the martial arts class just another drop off activity to relieve the parent of responsibility for 45 minutes to an hour? Again it needs to be asked why the father would have to out-source to instill respect and/or discipline in his child. The question also needs to be asked; will daddy coming running when jr. is not happy at work because the boss/supervisor is unreasonable about such things as showing up on time, completing tasks correctly and in a timely manner? Martial arts are about disciple and taking responsibility for ones actions. OK, I put my pulpit away. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:58:51 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Cutting weight Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave Weller asked why fighters cut weight. Craig Stovall says...because size matters. A number of our wives are probably of the same opinion, but I won't get into that. I'll use myself as an example. In my first fight I competed in the light heavies (186 to 205) and weighed in at a trim 188. My opponent came in at 205. Do the math. Now, I didn't have that much of a problem with the guy, but I can tell you that fighting someone 17 pounds heavier is no joke. This wasn't some chump off the street. This was a trained fighter who was a cop on his day job. The old adage is very simple...you want to come in at the top of the weight class, not the bottom. It's not "cheating" so much as it's "common frigging sense". If I walk around at 175, then why would I compete as a middleweight (171 to 185) when I can drop 5 pounds of fat and water and come in with the welters. It just doesn't make sense. In the end, it balances itself out in terms of the fairness. Yes, there are guys out there who can cut an amazing amount of weight, and then re-hydrate right before the fight and go in there with a weight advantage. First, this is a very taxing process and can negatively affect one's performance in the ring. Second, this option is available to just about anyone, so it's not like some super secret competitive advantage. It takes discipline and a little bit of know how, but that's about it. I know that if I want to stay in the game for any amount of time, then I'm going to have to get back down to 170. I just know that based upon my height, my bone structure, my strength to body mass ratio, etc. It's just something that you've got to know, and make the decision to do. It's just part of the game. The concept of "fairness" does not apply. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:24:00 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] belt cutting, etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Esteemed List Members. I also have seen some instances of this behavior in the past. I have also seen white belts that were experienced in another art compete at the white belt level. I do not understand this idea of "winning" when one has not been truly triumphant in one's endeavors. Another way of cheating is common to the local football scene. This involves having a child held back a year or two in school so that they can compete on a higher level in athletics. Anyone that pays the slightest attention has to realize the dramatic changes in the male body between the years of 16 and 25(maybe even beyond). I suppose that what I'm trying to say is is that some(not all) folks will always stretch the envelope on what is ethically correct yet morally reprehensible. It would appear that it is our job as the "conscience" of the arts to protest these things loudly. I have done this in the past at great cost to myself and will not say it is without riisk. I can, however, look at myself in the mirror in the morning with a clear conscience. Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ Refi Now: Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-17727&moid=7581 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:43:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Craig Stovall on "in class" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, I was just thinking,"what would people do with an "old school instructor"?" when I came across your post on the subject. Nothing you said that was not true and everything someone has wanted to say at some point in their carreer. Thank you. Respectfully, George who is still laughing hysterically over Craigs post(if it was'nt true it wouldn't be funny) _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE.  http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] teaching methods Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:32:15 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig, Thanks bro...I thought me and Mark were the only ones who was looking at this from a "karate class" perspective....also folks I didn't get the impression that the instructor kicked the crap out of the little lad.....just an easy tap to demonstrate a lesson....in my day I would of thought...."cool kick I'm gonna learn that one here"!!! Honestly...this has spun to lawsuits, cults, blow jobs, etc...etc...dang I must be really simple minded in my reading because all I read was that a student was learning a physical lesson in a physical environment from an instructor who had already talked to him several times about the problem.....give you an example......probably a bad one...about hands in the pockets...I teach High School here in Florida....yeah I know you guys can't believe it but it's true....my room is up in the penthouse on the third floor...every now and then I'll see a student walking down the concrete steps with both hands in their pockets....I usually say "hey" in a loud voice and get their attention...then I walk up to them smiling on the stairway and say "what would happen right now if you tripped and fell down the stairs"?...they usually look down and haven't noticed up till that point that their hands are in their pockets...the common response is "I would probably break my face or back or something like that...I usually say yep...and then give them a Miyagi moment about always being focused without looking like you are focused.....it usually works...NOW....when I coached football and I saw a player on the sideline during a scrimmage with his back turned to the field or not paying attention with his hands tucked in his jersey I would tell them to look alive and pay attention to the action going on around them....only once would I say this...the next time involved serious running, up downs, etc.....sometimes in a physical environment physical lessons work and are very appropriate...and IMO anything less is NOT being a good instructor...not abuse or power trips.... but no touchy feely let me rub your tummy and maybe if you feel like it you can do some physical stuff with us??? IMHO your students will learn more about self respect, discipline, and self esteem by doing the physical stuff instead of talking about the physical stuff... I really can't believe that some of you thought the instructor was actually "bullying" this student....why didn't anyone think that the student should of been paying more attention and listening with more focus?????? I don't get that...but I deal with it everyday at my own job...Bob Dylan said the times they are a changin but I think if he was singing that song today he would probably get sued by someone who was offended by the lyrics or how the song depressed them...I wish society would get back to gettin........hooyah.... Michael Tomlinson. >From: "Stovall, Craig" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] teaching methods >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:43:41 -0600 > ><<wanted to > >do in your class was alright because him and his father are in charge >and > >that you are just a subserviant fool that only exists as a servant to >their > >every whim and whining moment..... > > > >Really though...sounds good to me...putting your hands in your pockets >is > >not appropriate any time in a martial arts class or in alot of other >places > >also...sounds like him and his father are sensitive whiners to me...what >did > >they think they were signing up for??? Group therapy and hugs....another > > >indicator to me is the fact that his father signed him up to learn > >respect.....doesn't he teach him respect??? Probably not and caters to >his > >young son who sounds like he is the real alpha in their skewed >household....>>> > > > > > >Best post on this subject, yet. Hands down. To me its just another >sign of our overly sensitive, thin skimmed, politically correct society. >Oh, for God's sake...don't kick someone at a karate/TKD class!!! > > > >Our society is spoiled and soft...kids today are raised on video games >and Doritos. Martial arts and organized sports is one of the last >places where a person can go through a "trial by fire" experience in a >socially acceptable manner, and reap some of the benefits that such an >experience can impart. > > > >Tell Dad that ballet classes are down the street...this is martial arts >and some of the tougher chicks in class may be too rough for his son to >play with. > > > >Craig "Don't Look at Me Like That" Stovall >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Weight / belt cutting Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:37:03 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gordon, Nice post...you got me hyped up with all those quotes...I'm gonna drop down right now and pump out 20 good ones.... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Gordon" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Weight / belt cutting >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:13:50 -0600 > >JC said: ".its not a perfect world we live in so we must adapt." > >To quote Darwin: "It is not the strongest species that survive, nor the >most >intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change." > >Clint Eastwood as "Gunny" in Heartbreak Ridge: ".You improvise. You adapt. >You overcome." > >Sun Tzu, The Art of War: "So, a military force has no constant formation, >water has no constant shape: the ability to gain victory by changing and >adapting according to the opponent is called genius." > >No matter what time in history we find ourselves, it is the hand of the >true >warrior that deals out justice. With out rigorous training, a moral code >and the stewardship of man, we are just walking weapons. We gauge >ourselves >by attending tournaments and breaking wood or concrete. To go to a >tournament and participate at a level below yours teaches you nothing but >dishonor. To go to a tournament and participate at a level above yours is >the path of the warrior. > >Gordon Okerstrom >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Don’t miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft® Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Teaching methods Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:45:40 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig, I miss your posts homey and the warped thing is that we think alike in a LOT of ways.....I too would never condone abuse in a school or anywhere and I would go out of my way to stop it if I saw it....but sometimes you just have to buckle up and friggin listen to what someone is teaching you....period...and if you don't sometimes you have to pay some dues...cool thing is that the next time you friggin listen MORE..... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Stovall, Craig" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Teaching methods >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:25:39 -0600 > ><<say > >that I respect everyones opinion....it leaves me with only one > >thought....WOW HAVE TIMES CHANGED!!! > > > >I think Mark and I are on the same page with our training...but I will >say > >that I don't train anyone under the basic ages of 13 to 14, and I will >only > >train them if their parents are there....so I am not in tune with how >the > >young uns are treated these days....when I was a tot GM Y.J. Chung used >to > >carry a wiffle ball bat and fix our stances with a quick swat from the > >bat....he never called any young boy by their name....he would simple >call > >you boy....I was "boy" for many years....did I cry about it...nope...did >it > >cause me any undo stress...nope...did I go home and cry to my daddy and > >mommy...nope...IMHO I think everyone is a little too sensitive these > >days...it is like everyone is waiting for someone to do something wrong >to > >them instead of just learning and going about their business...>>> > > > >That's what the hell I'm talking about. I don't post here much anymore >(yes, I know most of you are glad about that...SHADDUP), but this >subject has hit a nerve and I feel compelled to speak out. > > > >First, let's not even START comparing this incident to "abuse" or >"bullying". The kid took some light kicks to the stomach. Is that the >way I teach? No. Do I think there's a better way to persuade the kid? >Yes. Do I think it's abusive or out of line? HELL NO!!! > > > >Am I the only one who's had a football coach with a jaw full of chewing >tobacco grab me by the face mask and drag me out in front of the whole >group and call me everything but a child of God and ended up looking >like a freckled kid with the measles because of all the tobacco-spittle >all over my face from his screaming? Did it hurt my precious feelings? >Yes. Did I get over it? Yes. Did my Dad go up there and complain to >the coach and claim that my civil rights were violated? Hell >no...because he got it twice as bad as I did growing up. > > > >Now, do I think this made me a better person? Of course. Better for >the one's who love and care about you in this world to put you through >the ringer and get you prepared for what's out there as opposed to >learning it first-hand from those that are only looking to walk over >you. Yin and yang, my peeps. You gotta walk softly (the yin) and carry >a big stick (the yang). How are you gonna get some yang (that sounds >funny) if you spend all your life in "fuzzy kissy huggy" land. > > > >I like peace, love, and happiness as much as the rest of the human race. >But, adversity is what makes you stronger or at least compels you to GET >stronger. As stupid as it sounds, most of us could use a little more >adversity in our lives. And these kids today (boys AND girls) could use >a little toughening up. Better to get a little kinesthetic "tough love" >in the dojo, as opposed to having to live through the Great Depression >like our grandparents did. I swear to God...if this generation had to >fight the Nazis during WW2 then I'd just pack it in and start learning >German cuz there ain't no way in hell we'd win. Nope...sad but true. > > > >I am firmly against abuse. I am firmly in favor of good, hard training. >Know the difference and save some of the traditions that are worth >saving. > > > >Peace and chicken grease. > > > >Craig "Don't Kick Me, I Have Fragile Emotions" Stovall >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE.  http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Discipline in the Dojang Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:54:29 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey that's cool...the big q-tip...I like that and that is very inventive....funny thing is that I bet your students actually love seeing that q-tip come out and get a Kick (no pun intended, but it worked out nice) out of you watching them and "adjusting" them when you need to....kids IMO are much much much more resilient then adults give them credit for...we used to do a thing where as my students were doing punching combos on a heavy bag they would get in the habit of dropping their hands some...I did the same thing and would use one of those bb bats from century that has a big rectangle of foam on it...I would stand next to them and when they would drop their hands I would whop them with it....no abuse and not hard enough to hurt anyone...just hurt their feelings...guess what...after a few times they would actually ASK me to use it when they punched....I would say what are you guys crazy or something and like getting hit...they would all laugh and say...no but it actually helps us focus....how about that!! Michael Tomlinson (the purple menace) that would be a good wrestler name... >From: >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Discipline in the Dojang >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:42:56 -0500 > >Mr. Tomlinson & Craig "Don't Look at Me Like That" Stovall, > >I myself am an intern instructor. I am aware that my actions reflect on my >instructor, school, and impact her income. The way some responded to the >question as if the instructor is question kicked the kid across the room. >I get the impression that the kid was tapped to get the point across. Yes, >Yes, Yes, I know that a line can be crossed between disciple and abuse. I >also agree with Mr. Michael “The Purple Menace” Tomlinson and Mr. Craig >"Don't Look at Me Like That" Stovall. At our school we have a 6 foot >length of PVC pipe with the ends padded we call the giant Q-tip. Think the >pugilist sticks from USMC training. Anyway, the youguns sometimes feel >that keeping their hands up during kicks or being strong during basic >technique (BT) is not important. When that lackadaisical attitude rears >its head, I get the Giant Q-tip and walk around as I call out kicks or >count BT. If a student’s hands droop, sag, or flop or their BT is not >strong they get bopped. Did the father watch classes and ask questions >before he signed his son up or was the martial arts class just another drop >off activity to relieve the parent of responsibility for 45 minutes to an >hour? Again it needs to be asked why the father would have to out-source >to instill respect and/or discipline in his child. The question also needs >to be asked; will daddy coming running when jr. is not happy at work >because the boss/supervisor is unreasonable about such things as showing up >on time, completing tasks correctly and in a timely manner? Martial arts >are about disciple and taking responsibility for ones actions. OK, I put >my pulpit away. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Cutting weight Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:57:59 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is the exact same concept I learned while wrestling years ago....it is basically the nature of the fighting beast....basically if you are a seasoned fighter this is how you do it....no one fights at their training weight....you have training weight, off season weight, and fighting weight... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Stovall, Craig" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Cutting weight >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:58:51 -0600 > >Dave Weller asked why fighters cut weight. Craig Stovall says...because >size matters. A number of our wives are probably of the same opinion, >but I won't get into that. > > > >I'll use myself as an example. In my first fight I competed in the >light heavies (186 to 205) and weighed in at a trim 188. My opponent >came in at 205. Do the math. Now, I didn't have that much of a problem >with the guy, but I can tell you that fighting someone 17 pounds heavier >is no joke. This wasn't some chump off the street. This was a trained >fighter who was a cop on his day job. > > > >The old adage is very simple...you want to come in at the top of the >weight class, not the bottom. It's not "cheating" so much as it's >"common frigging sense". If I walk around at 175, then why would I >compete as a middleweight (171 to 185) when I can drop 5 pounds of fat >and water and come in with the welters. It just doesn't make sense. > > > >In the end, it balances itself out in terms of the fairness. Yes, there >are guys out there who can cut an amazing amount of weight, and then >re-hydrate right before the fight and go in there with a weight >advantage. First, this is a very taxing process and can negatively >affect one's performance in the ring. Second, this option is available >to just about anyone, so it's not like some super secret competitive >advantage. It takes discipline and a little bit of know how, but that's >about it. > > > >I know that if I want to stay in the game for any amount of time, then >I'm going to have to get back down to 170. I just know that based upon >my height, my bone structure, my strength to body mass ratio, etc. It's >just something that you've got to know, and make the decision to do. >It's just part of the game. The concept of "fairness" does not apply. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Win a Zune™—make MSN® your homepage for your chance to win! http://homepage.msn.com/zune?icid=hmetagline --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest