Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:59:27 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #69 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hypersensitivity and reality (Jeff Yeagley) 2. WTF newsletter (The_Dojang) 3. Re: Re: Hypersensitivity and reality (mvoncannon@akdwa.org) 4. Teaching Methods (Gordon) 5. Back from Jackson (J R Hilland) 6. Re: Chuck Norris (David Zapencki) 7. RE: teaching methods (SSHapkido@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jeff Yeagley" To: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:31:17 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hypersensitivity and reality Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sid wrote: "Should we enforce disciple...YES!!!!! But let's do it by example, by making the WHOLE class do push-ups and thanking the errant child." One problem with this method of discipline is that some kids don't care if they make the whole class do pushups. It's not like the military where they comply because they know they'll get a fragging later in the barracks by all the guys they made do pushups. Jeff Yeagley http://www.WeTrainHarder.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:52:20 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF newsletter Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fyi, the WTF newsletter (February 28, 2007 Issue No.1 ) has been emailed out and should also be available at http://wtf.org/site/news/newsletter.htm within the next few days. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:25:56 -0700 From: mvoncannon@akdwa.org To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Hypersensitivity and reality Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Quoting Jeff Yeagley : > > One problem with this method of discipline is that some kids don't care if > they make the whole class do pushups. It's not like the military where they > comply because they know they'll get a fragging later in the barracks by all > the guys they made do pushups. > > Jeff Yeagley > http://www.WeTrainHarder.com I have used this to good effect. I ask questions concerning martial art history and such. When a student who has been there at least a month and had time to read the material fails to answer the question, everyone does 5 push ups. After several incorrect answers, this adds up. I have done this often enough that when a new students reaches a month, other students strongly recommend they read the student handbook. In one instance two students reviewed the book with a white belt before class started. No, there was no physical reprecussions (no beat down), but the other students intervened and helped the new student along. Seems to work. I have used the same tactic with forms and basics. More senior students jump to aid the weaker student. - Martin Von Cannon American Kang Duk Won Association Instructor, Tacoma Dojang Tacoma, WA. http://www.akdwa.org --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:58:29 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching Methods Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Martin Von Cannon: We do pretty much the same thing with the tenants, oath and pattern meanings. Sometimes it's push ups, sometimes it's rail kicks, sometimes it's another round of kicking drills depending on where we are in the class period. In every case, the student having trouble answering up has his or her seniors practically falling over themselves to aid their juniors. It's become a matter of pride with some of the younger senior ranks: who can get the answer perfect, word for word first. It's making them sharp, knowledgeable teachers that care about their juniors. (even if it started out as self preservation) it's who can be the best now. I think it's great! Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:05:45 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Back from Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The 26th international hapkido seminar was held this past weekend in Jackson. A fantastic time. The three days of classes included restraining techniques, weapons, one-handed techniques, when things go wrong, ki strikes and throws, street punch defense, choking, counter attacks, sparring strategies, speed takedowns, and a BB hapkido class. Hundreds of folks from many different KMA attended. Special thanks to Master J. R. West and Master Holcombe Thomas. This event started a long time ago at Master West’s dojang, and now has grown to the point that all 3 days are held at a hotel and includes over a dozen and a half instructors from HKD, TKD and TSD. Others have tried to copy this event, but this one is the original one. Thanks to NWA it took us a day longer to get home then expected and they left us stranded in Georgia. But we made it home despite the awful airline. Ray, we missed you this time and I hope the Mrs. is fully recovered. Best of luck to my friend Michael (ITF ohdan, HKD chodan) who is now off to Iraq.... Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "David Zapencki" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Chuck Norris Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:06:18 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net More on Chuck Norris... http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2007/02/chuck-norris.html --__--__-- Message: 7 From: SSHapkido@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:37:26 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: teaching methods Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael Tomlinson said.... "but I still feel that if you aren't challenging your students with hard training and a lot of contact then IMHO you are setting them up to be a victim instead of a survivor..." I think this is a different issue then what most of us are talking about. In our own school we have an hour of exercise class followed by an hour of hapkido...during which adult students usually pair up and practice techniques and may hit the mat or the floor (as we have only four mats) 30 to 40 or more time in a night. Believe me...when you've hit the floor thirty times in an hour you don't feel coddled. This student was a child and apparently a brand new student who did even have a uniform yet. Plus it didn't sound as if the instructor lined up with him and showing him how he should be defending himself. Whether it was a harmless soft kick or not, from what I have heard it was probably not the wisest thing to do in the context in which it was done in this day and time. Also, when dealing with children in martial arts, I would say the primary goal in most cases is not to actually train them to beat up someone twice their size (which is a stretch regardless of how good they are at the art), but rather it is to teach them discipline, respect, and self confidence. Having said that, a lot of good points have been made on both sides of this issue. It's been an interesting discussion. SS


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