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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: RE: Teaching methods... (Jye nigma) 2. Re: Teaching Methods (michael tomlinson) 3. (no subject) (kwan jang) 4. starting young (Ray) 5. Aiki Productions (aburrese@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Teaching methods... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net SOmething interesting. As you may already know, the movie called "300" is in the theaters now. It's about 300 spartans who fight against the persians. Well, last time, the history channel had an interesting show on the REAL story of the spartans battle with the persians. What's interesting is that the historians said male children were taken from the mothers at 7 and put through grueling military type training. They were taught to not cry, would get whipped to see who'd drop first and things of that nature. So by the time they were around 18 or so (if they survived the training) they would join the military. So basically they were killing machines raised from babies...and just think, parents get made if you yell at their kids...lol. Jye SSHapkido@aol.com wrote: Various quotes: "one of our new white belt students (who by the way does not have a uniform yet and was just wearing workout cloths)..." "So the question is who thinks I was out of line and need to change my evil ways and who agrees with me?" "This isn't Korea" My thoughts: Personally I agree with the father. Anyone who has been in an exercise class that I have taught knows that I don't baby the students. I expect them to work out and pay attention. If they mess up the count mid way through the second row, we start the exercise over with the front of the room and go through both rows again. Then I comment on how important it is to pay attention to your surroundings. Last week they all finished their crunches before I was 2/3 of the way through my crunches, so I had them all do my remaining crunches with me at my count...and made sure I counted them out very slowly just for my amusement. Then I commented on doing crunches slowly and getting the most out of them, not just bobbing up and down. I did once kick an adult blue belt in the back side gently with the inside of my foot because they took their partner down and were standing leaning over them rather than dropping to one knee (and I had already corrected them several times on several occasions). Much to the blue belt's surprise and mine, they were so off balance that they had no choice but to do a front roll over their partner or fall on top of them. When they popped back up and turned toward me, I shouted "Get your butt down!" To which their response was "Yes, Ma'am." But it actually scared the crap out of me, because I didn't intend to knock them over. And I realized that the spur of the moment urge to kick this student in the backside, which by all reasonable measurements they deserved, could have resulted in an unwanted injury had they not known how to roll. The blue belt learned her lesson, but it probably wasn't the brightest thing for me to do. As someone said, this isn't Korea and it isn't the 1970's either. It's 2007, the golden age of lawsuits. And kicking children (regardless of how anyone feels about it) is dangerous from that standpoint. Not to mention, you said yourself that the kid was so new that he didn't even have a uniform yet. It takes some time as an adult to learn the system and how to react, even more so for a kid who may or may want to be there anyway. The student I tapped was an adult and already respected me, so when I did what I did, she took note of her mistake and wasn't angry. This student barely knows you. Not to mention the kid and his father probably have very little understanding of the traditions of martial arts and the discipline required. It's a new learning experience for them and so far you've taught them that I'm the bully...watch out for me! So yes, I think you need to change your "evil ways." SS ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Teaching Methods Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:28:27 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I couldn't agree with you more...you are totally right IMO....I am a high school teacher and the one thing I do is establish that I am the alpha in my classroom...no I don't pee in the corners or go crazy and yell a lot...I establish the rules early and I consistently enforce them...not yelling and screaming but in a "business as usual" manner...cool thing is that I have 9-12 grade students all mixed together so the newbies eventually follow the older students lead....sometimes it ain't as easy as I am making it sound but I keep that calm assertive mindset first and foremost, and THEN they see that I care about them and their success...but IF you become their friend first...then they will try to establish themselves as the alpha....and you will have problems...I get a lot of kids from homes like you describe...the one thing I can help them with is seeing how it's gonna work in MY room and sometimes that environment starts carrying over into other parts of their lives....my big thing is always telling them....honor is when you do the right thing when no one is watching.....when I get them to that point they are usually a senior and graduating...I joke with them that after 4 years of getting them to the point of it being a pleasure to be around them they up and graduate and leave!!! Michael Tomlinson >From: Jye nigma >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Teaching Methods >Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:00:53 -0800 (PST) > >To build off of what you said. Someone, needs to step in and give the child >discipline that the parents aren't giving them. From my own personal >experience, I've noticed what happens when a child has a parent that let's >them do whatever it is they want. My son's mom was a child who's mother >allowed her kids to do whatever they wanted, and to this day they resent >her for that. Our lives are so different. See, I used to get my butt torn >up....switches, belts, extension cords etc. Now even though my parents may >have made mistakes like spanking out of anger, I still was well behaved. My >mother could take any of us anywhere, and NOT have to worry. The reason why >was not because we feared our parents, but because we respected our parents >and their rules. First the boundaries are set, then the penalties are >explained, then you properly whoop that butt if they disobey. I think this >is what happened somewhere along the line. I truly believe that some >parents who don't discipline > their children in any way, explode on their child and then ABUSE them, >and that's where all the don't spank your children stuff comes from. So the >truth of the matter is, either the parent is gonna be responsible and do >their job as a parent or someone else will...meaning police. > > I was watching The Tavis Smiley special "State of the Black Union" and >there was a speaker who hit it on the nose....(I'm paraphrasing) she says >something like. We used to be able to spank our children and discipline >them, but society comes in and says if you spank them you'll get in >trouble. Teachers used to spank the children and they did away with that, >Now they're saying that you can't verbally tell your children that you're >spank them because that's considered a threat, so children raise up against >their parents and verbally abuse them and in some cases physically abuse >them, so parents are afraid of the children, teachers are afraid of the >children, and the only people not afraid of anything are the children. So >you take children who aren't afraid of anyone, and they have no discipline >and you got a major problem. > > Jye > > >michael tomlinson wrote: > Jye, >I feel you brother...IMHO it all boils down to establishing that you are >the >alpha pack leader and from then on things are easier...the problem arises >when kids are let go with no ramifications or consequences and then it is >an >unfortunate natural reaction for them to establish themselves as the alpha >pack leader in your home....SOMEONE is gonna be the alpha pack leader in >your home...it is only natural...when you see kids out of control and doing >disrespectful things it is because they are jockiing for the alpha role >even >though they don't even know that's what they are doing....consistency, >consequences, and modeling of correct behavior can fix this >stuff....BUT...if they have been let run wild so to speak it gets worse at >first until the parent can reestablish themselves as that alpha leader >again..... >Michael >Tomlinson > > >--------------------------------- >No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go >with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "kwan jang" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:15:35 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thomas writes: <> Hello Master Gordon: I sincerely hope that your father will continue to improve and sty healthy. Please tell him that I will be happy to "take you down" for him when I come up to see you at your Korean Martial Arts event in April. I look forward to seeing everyone there,and nothing is too much trouble to do for "Dad":) Warmest personal regards, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [The_Dojang] starting young Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This 8 year old kid has some pretty fair pop to his techniques... http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2000840688 Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:40:03 -0500 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Aiki Productions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone, Aiki Productions is looking for interesting articles related to martial arts. If you have an article you would like posted at the site, please contact me. Aiki's goal is to have a lot of articles, podcasts, interviews, and featured martial artists along with the dvds Aiki produces. You can check out what we have there so far at: www.aikiproductions.com Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest