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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Re: Why I Hate TMA (Joseph Cheavens) 2. RE: Pancakes (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 3. Dallas (The_Dojang) 4. RE: RE: Pancakes (Joseph Cheavens) 5. JKD & Writing (Gordon) 6. Re: RE: Pancakes (Ray) 7. Teaching Methods (rwood) 8. hate TMA article (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Why I Hate TMA Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:39:11 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Besides, using correct grammar and spelling is the linguistic equivelent of TMA. Freeform ungrammatical writing is the JKD of the English language. ;-) Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tim walker" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Why I Hate TMA Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:40:15 -0400 <> Naw...he's a fighter, not a wrighter! timo "one way to train for fighting: Running, lifting hitting, hitting, hitting, hitting, kicking, kicking, sparing, and wrestling...damn, I'm tard. Anybody got a beer?" _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:41:07 -0400 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Pancakes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Three things: 1. Hapkido.hurts wrote about the "all-you-can-eat pancake breakfast" up in Battle Creek. Perfect timing for this article! Thanks! 2. Who is hapkido.hurts? 3. Anyone seen this page: http://www.atlantichapkido.com/wsdc.html. He likes to trademark things: "mechanically defective"TM, "Hapkido hurts... it really hurts... a lot!"TM, "Eyes open, ears open, mind open"TM. Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:47:03 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dallas Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net U S Taekwondo TAEKWONDO: Two-Time Olympic Champion Steven Lopez Headlines USA Taekwondo Team Trials & National Qualifier to be Held March 16-18 in Dallas COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo – Olympic and world champions will be on display as USA Taekwondo, the National Governing Body for the sport of Taekwondo in the United States, holds its Senior National Teams Trials and National Qualifier event at the Dallas Convention Center Arena in Dallas, Texas, March 16-18. The 16 winners in each weight division (8 men/8 women) at the March 16 Team Trials will make up the U.S. team that will compete at the World Championships in Beijing, China, May 18-22. There will be 72 competitors fighting for the 16 spots in the round robin trials format. The 16 winners will also automatically qualify for the Olympic Team Trials to be held in August. The field of athletes for the Team Trials is led by the three Lopez siblings from Sugar Land, Texas. Steven, 28, is a two-time Olympic gold medalist (2000 & 2004) and three-time world champion (2001, 2003 & 2005). At the last world championships held in Madrid, Spain, in 2005, Steven, his brother Mark, 24, and sister Diana, 23, all captured world titles on the same weekend. It was the first time in any sport that three siblings won world championship titles in the same sport in the same year. The Lopez trio, coached by their older brother, Jean, will be looking to win at the Team Trials in Dallas so they can defend their world championship titles in May in Beijing. The Team Trials will also feature 2004 Olympic gold medalist Nia Abdallah of Houston, Texas, and 2005 World Championship bronze medalist Mandy Meloon of Sugar Land, Texas. Meloon will also be on hand to sign autographs at the Dallas Stars game on Thursday, March 15, along with fellow Senior National Team member Stephen Lambdin (Colleyville, Texas), and Junior National Team members Kasey Mallard (Dallas, Texas), Charlotte Craig (Murrieta, Calif.) and Jermaine James (Cape Coral, Fla.). The National Qualifier is the first of six national qualifying events for 2007. Over 700 athletes, ranging in age from 6-32, are expected to compete. The competition will begin at 9:00 a.m. on Friday, and at 8:30 a.m. on Saturday and Sunday. Tickets may be purchased at the door. Adult (11-59) tickets are $10 for a single-day pass or $16 for a two-day pass. Children (4-10) and seniors (60+) are $7 for a single-day pass and $12 for a two-day pass. The National Qualifying event is also the first step in the 2008 Olympic Team selection. The top four athletes in the Senior World Class divisions at the Dallas Qualifier will advance to the 2007 Senior National Championships in San Jose, Calif., July 10-11. The top two finishers in each weight class in San Jose will then qualify for the 2008 Olympic Trials for Taekwondo to be held August 2 in Colorado Springs, Colo. In addition, junior competitors at the Dallas Qualifier can advance to the Junior Olympic Championships by placing in the top four in their weight division. The Junior Olympic Championships will also be held in San Jose, July 12-15. Other USAT National Qualifiers scheduled for 2007 are in Portland, Ore. (April 14-15), Providence, R.I. (April 21-22), Kansas City, Mo. (April 28-29), Miami, Fla. (May 26-27) and Fresno, Calif. (June 2-3). There is also a Sub-Regional Qualifier held in Anchorage, Alaska (March 31). For more information or to reserve a media credential, contact Bill Kellick at 719-866-3626 or 719-232-7792. LIST OF TEAM TRIALS COMPETITORS BY DIVISION Male Fin Luis Reyes (Northridge, Calif.) Manuel Reyes (Chatsworth, Calif.) Bernard Posey (Greensboro, N.C.) Damian Villa (Los Angeles, Calif.) Emilio Dosal (Houston, Texas) Male Fly Tim Thackrey (Sherman Oaks, Calif.) Steven Lin (Chatham, N.J.) Jermaine James (Cape Coral, Fla.) James Howe (San Ramon, Calif.) Male Bantam Brian Gallagher (Littleton, Colo.) Kenneth Carter (Piedmont, S.C.) Aaron Smith (Houston, Texas) John Esche (Claremore, Okla.) Jesus Armendariz (La Porte, Texas) Male Feather Mark Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) Nicolas Delgado (Arvada, Colo.) Alex Mota (Rocklin, Calif.) Terrence Jennings (Woodbridge, Va.) Male Light Chris Martinez (Sugar Land, Texas) David Bartlett (Colorado Springs, Colo.) Ethan Woodson (Cincinnati, Ohio) James Moontasri (Colorado Springs, Colo.) Anthony Bell (Alexandria, Va.) Male Welter Steven Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) Jayson Grant (Worcester, Mass.) John McBlair (Camarillo, Calif.) Salar Faiazi (Oklahoma City, Okla.) Jason Neville (Edmond, Okla.) Male Middle Antony Graf (Miami, Fla.) Aaron Hamilton (Stockton, Calif.) Nathan Salcido (Felton, Calif.) Jason McEuin (Oakland, Calif.) Male Heavy Stephen Lambdin (Hurst, Texas) Josh Coleman (Winston-Salem, N.C.) William Smith (Sunnyvale, Calif.) Steven Ostrander (Colorado Springs, Colo.) Dwayne Dews (Cincinnati, Ohio) Female Fin Mandy Meloon (Sugar Land, Texas) Charlotte Craig (Murrieta, Calif.) Sammy Saltamachia (Houston, Texas) Female Fly Simone DeVito (Cortlandt Manor, N.Y.) Carman Gray (Liberty, Ind.) Jesika Torres (Stockton, Calif.) Cindy Salas (Los Angeles, Calif.) Danielle Pelham (Bothell, Wash.) Female Bantam Eleni Koutsilianos (Astoria, N.Y.) Natalie Aguilar (Los Angeles, Calif.) Abby Yates (Carmel, Ind.) Danielle Holmquist (Coral Springs, Fla.) Female Feather Diana Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) Adriel Gray (Liberty, Ind.) Alysha Gerry (Zoar, Ohio) Kristina Bowen (Vancouver, Wash.) Jade Lopez (Union City, Calif.) Female Light Nia Abdallah (Houston, Texas) Paige McPherson (Sturgis, S.D.) Andrea Ferkile (St. Petersburg, Fla.) Alexis Goldman (Carrboro, N.C.) Christina Johnson (Galloway, N.J.) Female Welter Simona Hradil (Los Angeles, Calif.) Faith Dortch (Ft. Washington, Md.) Melissa Blasco (Tuckerton, N.J.) Laurissa Tanielu (Blue Island, Ill.) Female Middle Sanaz Shahbazi (Columbia, S.C.) Christina Park (New York, N.Y.) Carolyn Stephenson (Woodside, N.Y.) Dalia Avivi (Miramar, Fla.) Female Heavy Lauren Cahoon (Miami, Fla.) Maia Eubanks (Indianapolis, Ind.) Miranda Hinrichs (Minneapolis, Minn.) Brandy Von Holten (Higginsville, Mo.) Lynda Laurin (McAllen, Texas) ------------ Organization: USA Taekwondo Phone: 719-866-3626 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Pancakes Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:35:53 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read this shortly after finding the "Hapkido hurts, it really hurts, alot"TM and read no further. "Train with a World Head of Family Sokeship Council Hall of Fame instructor." Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Pancakes Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:41:07 -0400 Three things: 1. Hapkido.hurts wrote about the "all-you-can-eat pancake breakfast" up in Battle Creek. Perfect timing for this article! Thanks! 2. Who is hapkido.hurts? 3. Anyone seen this page: http://www.atlantichapkido.com/wsdc.html. He likes to trademark things: "mechanically defective"TM, "Hapkido hurts... it really hurts... a lot!"TM, "Eyes open, ears open, mind open"TM. Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:38:17 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] JKD & Writing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Joe Cheavens wrote: Freeform ungrammatical writing is the JKD of the English language. ;-) Okay, that was funny. Bruce Lee and ebonics. Made me snort-laugh. : ) Gordon Okerstrom In the confrontation between the stream and the rock, the stream always wins, not through strength but by perseverance. H. Jackson Brown --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Pancakes To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:02:20 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > 2. Who is hapkido.hurts? > The man of many names, or at least gmail accts... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "rwood" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:25:17 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching Methods Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Burdick wrote; I completely agree. I also agree that discipline is necessary, but I wouldn't use the phrase "spare the rod...", if only because some people take that literally. And I think that self-discipline on the part of the instructor is essential in modeling proper behavior for the students. When I did use push-ups as a punishment, years ago, I always made sure I did the push-ups too, because I figured I was responsible for my student's behavior. Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom, But a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother. (NASB) My Reply: The Encarta dictionary defines a rod as “a stick, or bundle of sticks tied together, used for whipping somebody as a punishment.” However I find that a different definition fits better in to this discussion. A rod is a tool used by surveyors to determine elevation differences and also a unit of measurement (1 rod = 16.5 feet/5.5 yards). The “rod” is for establishing the standard and reproof helps the individual to modify their behavior to meet the standard. I believe Mr. Burdick and I are saying the same thing, but a different way. As to Antonio the TMA hater…WOW, If only I could use all that male bovine excrement matter in my garden! IHS, Robert L. Wood, Supervisor, OSS Program I am careful not to confuse excellence with perfection. Excellence I can reach for; perfection is God’s business. – Michael J. Fox This electronic communication is from Moberly Public Schools, and is confidential, privileged, and intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. Any unauthorized disclosure, distribution, or use of the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the CIS Department immediately at the following e-mail address: tech@moberly.k12.mo.us or by calling 660-269-2665. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] hate TMA article Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I shared that article with another group and got this response: Jye Ok I will comment on this,my classes do nto specifically train for tournaments, I use a very traditional approach, I teach students how to break bones, inflict pain, and to do this extremely quickly, my motto I teach as a rule to live by is "EVERYONE HAS A WEAPON AND WILL USE IT" when it comes into play is various and unknowing so dont ever play around someone confronts you and it comes to a fight finish it within 6 seconds or less after that its a downhill battle and you end up getting hurt our of it... that being said this man put down tournament MA why? because his strategy didnt work in the ring, BUT he also put in one main thing his strategy didnt work because he couldnt corner them in the ring and pound them, well heres something to consider how many real fights have ropes making a ring? there is almost always someplace to run or dodge to. take WTF point sparring into consideration the way I teach it i should add its a tad closer to what will happen in a real fight you cant just corner someone and kick the snot out of them.no ropes holding them. is there any perfect way to train for a real encounter? NO but the best way is full contact and also stop and go point along with grappling added in its as close as you can come to training without hurting the opponent physically and mentally. we constantly practice techniques not to be good at them or even accurate with them but to make them automatic executing without thought.Forms are used not to make you better but to give you technique variations in various positions,being good at forms dont make you a good fighter at all, nor does being good at a tournament mean you will not get hurt on the street, there is something that cannot be trained into a person and yet is the utmost important thing you can have in a real fight, HOWEVER all the sparring and forms will help this most important element needed. SO WHAT IS THIS ALL IMPORTANT ELEMENT? THINK ABOUT IT A MINUTE I AM GOING TO GIVE THE ANSWER BELOW see if you already know, if you do you probablly have a good instructor and are well on your way to being prepared well for anything.. the all important thing.....CONFIDENCE IN YOURSELF AND YOUR TECHNIQUE. if you do not have this you will be thinking way to much and will get hurt, and like i said tournaments can help you to gain this,you blocked a kick from someone fast and countered this adds confidence, anyways as I said this man makes some great points about a lot of things,but I also believe he is missing out on some very valuble things as well that could actually make him a more rounded Martial artist......... by the way when i am teaching WTF sparring or olympic style sparring as we call it. we dont play the slap game to score you have to physically move your opponent knock them down or knock them out, loud slaps dont cut it unless the person reacts negativly. such as a fold overfrom a kick to the stomach, we use a lot of side kicks LOTS esspecially to mid section and jaw......so now you know how I am teaching it for reference above.. John --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest