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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Soke-ness (Joseph Cheavens) 2. Cha Sok Park Passes Away (The_Dojang) 3. RE: Soke-ness (Rick Clark) 4. Lopez (The_Dojang) 5. RE: Soke-ness (Joseph Cheavens) 6. Re: Back Kick resource (aburrese@aol.com) 7. Re: Lock On dvds and Alain Burrese (aburrese@aol.com) 8. RE: Soke-ness (michael tomlinson) 9. Kick me (Ray) 10. RE: Kick me (michael tomlinson) 11. Soke Council (Luther Veuleman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Soke-ness Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:50:41 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's a link to the soke council: http://www.bushido.org/whfsc/ This is from a very good article on the history of the term "soke." " In concluding, it is difficult to condone the use of obscure Japanese terminology to describe American social practices for which perfectly acceptable English words already exist. One must struggle to imagine how any non-Japanese could call himself a "soke" in English except as a joke. At the same time it is also difficult to regard this term with any special reverence or to become overly troubled by its misuse among self-proclaimed "grandmasters" and "founders." During the Tokugawa period the word soke designated a commercial system of hereditary privilege that took advantage of the ignorance of ordinary people for financial gain. Perhaps teachers of commercial martial art schools in America who adopt the title soke for themselves are more historically accurate in their usage than they themselves realize." (Willam M. Bodiford - http://www.koryubooks.com/library/wbodiford1.html#b1) >From what I've read elsewhere about the soke council, its basically a mutual admiration society and the only requirements to becoming a soke are to be the head of your own organization, agree not to question the lineage or qualifications of any of the other members, and of course a hefty fee. I've been toying with the idea of applying for membership as the soke of Traditional Korean Hairy Palm Ninja Fu. What do you think? I may need to gain a few more pounds and either start balding or grow a mullet first, though. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luther Veuleman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Soke-ness Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Digest, Cheavens mentioned the World Head Sokeship council thingy in one of his posts. I have heard of a guy named Dave Shelton who is a part of that group. Anybody have any dealings with this individual or his organization? A friend of mine wound up at something his group was doing. I don't know too much about the Soke Council thingy either, it sounds.....interesting? Being Politically Correct for the moment, Charlie V _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:02:30 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Cha Sok Park Passes Away Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF Vice President Cha Sok Park Passes Away 16 Mar 2007 Dr. Cha Sok Park, vice president of the World Taekwondo Federation and president of the Pan American Taekwondo Union, died of a heat attack at his home in Springfield, Virginia, the United States on March 14, 2007. The late Park, 64, returned home on March 12 from his trip to Korea for the WTF Electronic Protector International Taekwondo Championships on March 4-5 in Chuncheon, Korea. "Dr. Park's immense contribution to the global development of taekwondo, especially in the Pan American continent, has been a crucial factor for the growth in popularity of our sport," said WTF President Chungwon Choue in his condolence letter to all WTF member nations. "His passing is deeply felt within the WTF Secretariat as his jovial approach to life every time he visits the WTF headquarters is greatly welcomed by the staff." "We, the taekwondo family around the world, will forever be indebted to this great man and friend. I sincerely ask you, my fellow colleagues, to let bygones be bygones. Let's unite and pay our fondest respect to Dr. Cha Sok Park and his family," Dr. Choue said. Dr. Choue also sent a condolence letter to Dr. Park's wife, while asking WTF Secretary General Jin Suk Yang to pay his respect on behalf of the WTF Secretariat at the hospital where Dr. Park's body rests. In memory of the late Park, the WTF set up an altar at the WTF headquarters in Seoul in the afternoon of March 15 (Korean time) for those who wish to pay their final respects to him. The altar will open until 9 p.m. from March 15 through March 17. Dr. Park, a 9th Dan Kukkiwon black-belt holder, emigrated to the United States in 1971. He is survived by an American wife, one daughter and two sons. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:13:15 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Soke-ness To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, From: Joseph Cheavens [mailto:jcheavens@hotmail.com] Here's a link to the soke council: [snip] This is from a very good article on the history of the term "soke." " In concluding, it is difficult to condone the use of obscure Japanese terminology to describe American social practices for which perfectly acceptable English words already exist. One must struggle to imagine how any non-Japanese could call himself a "soke" in English except as a joke. [snip] The same could be said for anyone in the KMA who use Sa Bom Nim, Kwang Jang Nim, etc. if they are not Korean. I "believe" that Soke and Kwang Jang Nim are basically terms - one Japanese/Okinawan the other Korean. It would be interesting to see the Kanji for Kwang Jang Nim and Soke - anyone have a source for that? I did learn a bit when I did a quick search on the web for Soke - it is a term used in early English surprise, surprise. soke definition n. 1. In early English law, the right of local jurisdiction, generally one of the feudal rights of lordship. 2. The district over which soke jurisdiction was exercised. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:18:48 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Lopez Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Lopezes make taekwondo a family affair Houston Chronicle Steven, Mark and Diana Lopez of Sugar Land, who two years ago became the first set of three siblings to win world championships in the same event, will attempt to qualify today for the 2007 taekwondo world championships during the U.S. team trials at the Dallas Convention Center. The Lopezes will be among nine athletes from Elite Taekwondo in Sugar Land competing for spots on the U.S. team for the event May 18-22 in Beijing. Steven Lopez will compete in the men's welterweight division. Mark Lopez will compete in the men's featherweight division and Diana Lopez will compete in the women's featherweight division. All nine are coached by Jean Lopez, the U.S. national team coach and the eldest Lopez sibling, and Paris Amani. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Soke-ness Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:17:41 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think the crux of Bodifeild was saying isn't so much that its silly to use a Japanese term for a non-Japanese, but that the term soke has historically been used in Japan to denote the inheritor of a traditional martial art lineage and that these lineages are usually passed down within a family. Since a non-Japanese would most likely not be adopted into a Japanese family to inherit a traditional martial art lineage, its silly for a non-Japanese to use the titel soke. Using the title sensei or sabumnim would be something completely different, since those are titles more along the lines of a broad job description. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clark" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Soke-ness Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:13:15 -0400 Hi, From: Joseph Cheavens [mailto:jcheavens@hotmail.com] Here's a link to the soke council: [snip] This is from a very good article on the history of the term "soke." " In concluding, it is difficult to condone the use of obscure Japanese terminology to describe American social practices for which perfectly acceptable English words already exist. One must struggle to imagine how any non-Japanese could call himself a "soke" in English except as a joke. [snip] The same could be said for anyone in the KMA who use Sa Bom Nim, Kwang Jang Nim, etc. if they are not Korean. I "believe" that Soke and Kwang Jang Nim are basically terms - one Japanese/Okinawan the other Korean. It would be interesting to see the Kanji for Kwang Jang Nim and Soke - anyone have a source for that? I did learn a bit when I did a quick search on the web for Soke - it is a term used in early English surprise, surprise. soke definition n. 1. In early English law, the right of local jurisdiction, generally one of the feudal rights of lordship. 2. The district over which soke jurisdiction was exercised. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. --__--__-- Message: 6 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:04:04 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Back Kick resource Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can anyone tell me where I can resource information on the technicalities of the flying back-kick (or running-jumping-backkick). I am trying to find coaching info with maybe step-by-step instructions, etc for a research project. Also interseted in any websites showing any flying or jumping kicks. Thanks, Todd ************************ Todd, The book "Back Kick" by Shawn Kovacich is a good resource regarding the Back Kick and variations. Shawn has a ten book set on kicks. I have reviewed the first two, and the Back Kick review is here: http://www.burrese.com/Personal_Security_&_Self_Defense/Kicking_Excellence/back_kick_review.htm There are links from this review to Shawn's site where you can learn more. I plan on reviewing the other 8 books as well. These are very good resources for kicking. The best I've seen in book form. Shawn was in the Guinness Book of World Records for kicking and he put a lot of work into these books. Alain www.burrese.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:06:54 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Lock On dvds and Alain Burrese Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Melinda writes: <> Way to go Alain! Melinda is right on the mark in her evaluation, and I highly recommend Alain's work. Warmest personal regards, Rudy Timmerman NKMAA ************************** Thank you Melinda for the review of the first two Lock On dvds. They have been getting positive feedback, and I'm glad they will be a resource that people can use to learn from. Thank you also to GM Timmerman for the kind words. I hope we get a chance to get together again one of these days. It has been too long... Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Soke-ness Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:26:34 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good info guys....personally I don't know much about soke...but I dang sure know some things about sake.....mmmmmmmmmm.... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Rick Clark" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Soke-ness >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:13:15 -0400 > >Hi, > >From: Joseph Cheavens [mailto:jcheavens@hotmail.com] >Here's a link to the soke council: > >[snip] >This is from a very good article on the history of the term "soke." >" >In concluding, it is difficult to condone the use of obscure Japanese >terminology to describe American social practices for which perfectly >acceptable English words already exist. One must struggle to imagine how >any >non-Japanese could call himself a "soke" in English except as a joke. >[snip] > >The same could be said for anyone in the KMA who use Sa Bom Nim, Kwang Jang >Nim, etc. if they are not Korean. I "believe" that Soke and Kwang Jang Nim >are basically terms - one Japanese/Okinawan the other Korean. It would be >interesting to see the Kanji for Kwang Jang Nim and Soke - anyone have a >source for that? > >I did learn a bit when I did a quick search on the web for Soke - it is a >term used in early English surprise, surprise. > >soke definition n. >1. In early English law, the right of local jurisdiction, generally one of >the feudal rights of lordship. >2. The district over which soke jurisdiction was exercised. > > >Rick Clark >www.ao-denkou-kai.org >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 --__--__-- Message: 9 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:28:43 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [The_Dojang] Kick me Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kick me... I'm Irish. Have a happy St. Paddy's Day. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kick me Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:35:16 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I feel you Ray....the name Tomlinson can be traced back to only two places....Northern England and Ireland.....maybe that's why I get along so well with Hal Whalen and all those crazy sarcastic Irish Hapkido students he has up in the Boston area.....Happy St. Paddys everyone...and if you get a chance....BLESS ME LUCKY CHARMS!!!!! Michael Tomlinson >From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) >Subject: [The_Dojang] Kick me >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:28:43 -0700 (PDT) > >Kick me... I'm Irish. > >Have a happy St. Paddy's Day. > > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18466&moid=7581 --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Luther Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Soke Council Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I haven't received a digest since I posted my question thursday, so if anyone has responded, thanks for answering for me. I did some research, It looks like the Soke Council I was asking about is the "World Head of Family Sokeship Council" and is some type of registry for the top ranked guy from many different arts. So I got that, now I guess I'm just wondering if anybody knows about the Dave Shelton guy. I know this is a KMA board, and he's an Okinawan guy, but I figured someone might have come across him in the past. Thanks, Charlie V --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest