>To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #103 - 15 msgs >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:58:34 -0700 > >Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to > the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." > > ><<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> > >Serving the Internet since June 1994. >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. >2,200 members. > >See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine >for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com > >Pil Seung! > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Lifting of dan rank (sidtkd@aol.com) > 2. Re: Hankido Video (Klaas Barends) > 3. (no subject) (Celeste Fisher) > 4. Re: Re: Lifting of dan rank (Prof Dr Rizwan Mustafa Zubairi) > 5. Re: Re: Lifting of dan rank (Ray) > 6. Grant Reaches Quarterfinals (The_Dojang) > 7. RE: Testing Procedures (Dana Vaillancourt) > 8. KOOK SUL - High belts hurting lower belts in > sparring (Anna Weltman) > 9. RE: KOOK SUL - High belts hurting lower belts in > sparring (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) > 10. Re: KOOK SUL - High belts hurting lower belts in > sparring (ted williams) > 11. High belts hurting lower belts in sparring (Billy Scott) > 12. Re: KOOK SUL - High belts hurting lower belts in (Ray) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: sidtkd@aol.com >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 07:14:56 EDT >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Lifting of dan rank >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Just for information sake...a dan can and HAS many times been removed from >individuals by the kukkiwon. I personally know of one such case. I'm >surprised >that this is not better known. > > >Sid > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: Klaas Barends >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:16:31 +0200 >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hankido Video >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Hi everyone, > >A newer version of the video is online now > >I will delete the old one soon > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2057664054307011012&hl=en > >The project will take a few months to finish. > >Comments are more than welcome. > > >-- >kind regards, > >MooYeSa >http://www.mooyesa.com/ > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: "Celeste Fisher" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 07:16:16 -0500 >Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >JC > >I train at Marshall TaeKwon Do Academy on Five Notch road. My instructor >is Jason Herrington. His instructor - Alex Azar - has a school in >Longview. I used to see home health patients in Gladewater, and I think >I drove by your studio a few times. Small world! > >Celeste > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. Up to 5 free >quotes - *Terms > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 07:52:14 -0700 (PDT) >From: Prof Dr Rizwan Mustafa Zubairi >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Lifting of dan rank >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Hi Sid > > I cant believe that, once Kukkiwon issued dan can not be cancelled, > > Master Zubairi > 5 th dan Kukkiwon > >sidtkd@aol.com wrote: > Just for information sake...a dan can and HAS many times been removed >from >individuals by the kukkiwon. I personally know of one such case. I'm >surprised >that this is not better known. > > >Sid > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > > >--------------------------------- >Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Lifting of dan rank >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 09:06:18 -0700 (PDT) >From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > I cant believe that, once Kukkiwon issued dan can not be cancelled, > >They don't come and try to take away your paper cert, but you cannot >promote within that org. > >Hackworth is an example of someone that, due to their own actions, lost >their rank and the ability to promote. Yet he probably still has paper >somewhere that says he is a 2nd dan. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:52:12 -0700 >From: The_Dojang >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Grant Reaches Quarterfinals >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Jayson Grant Reaches Quarterfinals of German Open >March 31, 2007 > >Jayson Grant (Worcester, Mass.) turned in the top performance for the >U.S. team Saturday, advancing to the quarterfinals of the German Open >in Bonn. Competing in the men's welterweight division, Grant won his >first two matches of the day before losing to Rashad Ahmadov of >Azerbaijan in the quarterfinals. > >The other two U.S. competitors on Saturday both lost their opening >matches. Jesus Armendariz (La Porte, Texas) dropped an 8-1 decision to >Venezuela's Dany Miranda in the men's featherweight class, and Anthony >Bell (Alexandria, Va.) lost to Spain's David Tarrida, 7-5, in the >men's lightweight division. > >The competition concludes on Sunday with three more U.S. competitors >in action: Danielle Holmquist (Coral Springs, Fla.) in women's >featherweight, Dalia Avivi (Davie, Fla.) in women's middleweight, and >James Howe (Miami, Fla.) in men's flyweight. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >From: "Dana Vaillancourt" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:40:41 +0000 >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Testing Procedures >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Actually Mark, I think we are on the same page as every test should have a >commensurate level of non-physical learning as well. I just think you can >make it a tougher test without the casual observer thinking little Johnnie >or their husband is being pushed too hard. At this point, we can agree to >disagree over the little things. > >Dana > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:35:51 -0400 > >From: "Lasich, Mark D." > >To: "Dojang" > >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Testing Procedures > >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > >Dana: I understand the thinking, and almost fully agreed. Again, the > >ceremonial aspect and the seriousness of testing can really add meaning, > >and help solidify the impact of rank advancement. > > > >On the other hand, for any of the "DO arts", or those that propose to > >enhance one's way of life, we must encourage, and perhaps even test, the > >complete development of the entire individual, not just the physical > >aspect. The concepts of physical, mental and spiritual growth should > >balance. Emphasis of one over an other may create undesired results. > > > >Why memorize and recite tenants and oaths that largely deal with > >everything but physical skill, then limit our testing to simply > >evaluating a series of physical movements? > > > >Now, is cheering and encouragement from the sidelines an appropriate way > >to test aspects other than physical skill? That idea can be debated, but > >for a journey that includes development across multiple dimensions, > >something that properly reflects those other aspects, for me, is highly > >desirable. > > > >For the analogy: I believe learning math is a purely a mental exercise, > >appropriately tested, via SATs/ACTs, in a mentally conducive > >environment, with no spectators. So, that approach does make sense to > >me. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN >Presents today. >http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >From: "Anna Weltman" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] KOOK SUL - High belts hurting lower belts in > sparring >Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:43:50 +0000 >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >My question is this: > >When practising sparring, how to prevent the higher belts from whopping >the 'crap' out of the lower belts? Aren't they suposed to exercise some >form of restraint when spar practising with lower belts? > >I've been bloodied and had the wind knocked out too many times now, but >usually the same 4 red belts (there are 5 red belts in my class - 1 blue, >2 yellow and i'm a white) even though I've asked them to please be more >lenient on me. The instructor does not incorporate much teaching about >restraint, from what I've seen so far. > >What can I do? Can I ask the teacher to be stricter or is making >teaching suggestions to the teacher a no-no? > >Thanks very much, > >Anna in Israel > > >_______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: > >http://the-dojang.net > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] KOOK SUL - High belts hurting lower belts in > sparring >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:45:28 +0100 >From: >To: >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Hi Anna I think you are right. It is wrong for the higher grades to beat >on >the lower ones, its wrong for the strong to beat on the weak. Gen Choi >made a >statement to that effect. >I'll share a brief story. I'm one of the senior belts in my club. There >was >a fairly big man hitting a young girl hard in the face. I told him to watch >the contact. He didn't. me and this same man later sparred. Throughout >the >round I hardly touched him. I flicked out a back fist, he turned and >dropped. >When he got up I realised I broke his nose. It was an accident. Perhaps >karma? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Anna Weltman [mailto:annaweltman@hotmail.com] >Sent: 01 April 2007 11:44 >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] KOOK SUL - High belts hurting lower belts in sparring > >My question is this: > >When practising sparring, how to prevent the higher belts from whopping >the 'crap' out of the lower belts? Aren't they suposed to exercise some >form of restraint when spar practising with lower belts? > >I've been bloodied and had the wind knocked out too many times now, but >usually the same 4 red belts (there are 5 red belts in my class - 1 blue, >2 yellow and i'm a white) even though I've asked them to please be more >lenient on me. The instructor does not incorporate much teaching about >restraint, from what I've seen so far. > >What can I do? Can I ask the teacher to be stricter or is making >teaching suggestions to the teacher a no-no? > >Thanks very much, > >Anna in Israel > > >_______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: > >http://the-dojang.net >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net >**************************************************************************** > > > >SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES > > > >Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety > > > >This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe >that >you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. >If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and >telephone >the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:33:48 -0700 (PDT) >From: ted williams >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KOOK SUL - High belts hurting lower belts in > sparring >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >WHEN I WAS TRAINING UP IN CLASS IT WAS TAUGHT AS >DISRESPECTFUL FOR THE HIGHER BELTS TO BEAT UP ON >LOWER BELTS. BUT YOU ALSO LEARN BETTER HOW TO PROTECT >YOURSELF IF THEY ARE MORE AGGRESSIVE. LEARN TO GET OUT >OF THE WAY & COUNTER THEIR ACTIONS. > >TED > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Don't pick lemons. >See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. >http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html > >--__--__-- > >Message: 11 >From: "Billy Scott" >To: >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:14:32 -0400 >Subject: [The_Dojang] High belts hurting lower belts in sparring >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >At my school when we spar the high rank students spar at there rank with >each other. And when sparring with lower rank they challenge them but >not to hurt them. they all have got to have good control and learn from >each other high rank and low rank, learning is what we are there for not >to hurt one another. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 12 >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KOOK SUL - High belts hurting lower belts in >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:31:09 -0700 (PDT) >From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > I've been bloodied and had the wind knocked out too many times now, but > > usually the same 4 red belts (there are 5 red belts in my class - 1 >blue, > > 2 yellow and i'm a white) even though I've asked them to please be more > > lenient on me. The instructor does not incorporate much teaching about > > restraint, from what I've seen so far. > >Sounds like you're new to the school and to this instructor. What does >the blue belt have to say? A blue belt has probably been there for a year >or more. Does he/she indicate that this is common practice? If it is, >perhaps it is time to move to a different school. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > >Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang > >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com >Standard disclaimers apply. >Remember September 11. > > >End of The_Dojang Digest