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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Mr. P (Ray) 2. GSP (Stovall, Craig) 3. JP Van Pelligrini (Stovall, Craig) 4. Funny Web Site, (David Weller) 5. RE: Mr. P (michael tomlinson) 6. Re: JP Van Pelligrini (Kevin Donohue) 7. Pelligrini's History (Chosondo@aol.com) 8. RE: Pelligrini's History (michael tomlinson) 9. World Hapkido Association / Pro-Hapkido Tournament June 2nd (Robinson, Charlie) 10. Re: Mine better than yours? (Beungood8@aol.com) 11. KMA event in Crestview, FL (Thomas Gordon) 12. Pelligrini (Horold whalen) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:04:04 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. P Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is probably time to take the P thread offline. I really have no wish to bash this fellow, but it is important that people know the facts, the dates, the truth. Once that is out [yet again] for all to see it is time to move on to the next topic. Who wants to bash purple spandex? :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stovall, Craig" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:20:06 -0500 To: Subject: [The_Dojang] GSP Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Or more than likely...he's just a mild-mannered guy, and his mama raised him right. Don't be too quick to attribute everybody's nicer virtues to the metaphysical rubber stamp of "traditional martial arts". I know too many frauds, jerks, and @$$holes that come out of TMA. 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Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Stovall, Craig" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:52:48 -0500 To: Subject: [The_Dojang] JP Van Pelligrini Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In regards to the hottest mustache in Hapkido (easy ladies...try to contain yourself)... I still have an issue of TKDTimes from around 1987 or so. They did a big cover story on P-Diddy with him bitching and complaining about how TKD schools didn't teach realistic self-defense (shocking...I know). This was back in the days when everyone was still plugged into the Matrix and the general thought pattern was that jump spinning kicks and endless drilling of one-steps was the high road to utter badassedness. Anyhither, he was basically a high ranking TKD instructor and there was no mention of Hapkido training at all in the article. It's interesting in that the article foreshadows his movement away from TKD and into Hapkido which I guess he thought was more self-defense oriented (and is, IMHO). Too bad he didn't just train like everybody else. Hell, after 20 years he'd be a legitimate master if he trained properly and under the right guidance. IMHO, buying rank is stupid unless you're going to die tomorrow. He should probably call what he does "Pelligrini Hoshinsul" since the only thing that everyone in the Hapkido community can seem to agree upon is the fact that Pelligrini doesn't teach/know/do Hapkido. That would be my first clue right there, folks. You talk about herdin' cats...dayum! Looking at his website, I see that he also claims instructor status in JKD, Aikido, and Combat Sambo. Uh huh...right. If my comments seem disrespectful, please keep in mind it was not my intention (to be respectful). Craig "The Truth Hurts Like a Punch to the Grill" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this e-mail was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by e-mail or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: David Weller Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:46:19 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Funny Web Site, Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.wuma.uk.com/WUMA%20Official%20stuff/History%20of%20DD.htm I ran into this whilst searching the World Sokeship web site and found this guy. be SURE to check out his family "album"..... the link is right in the middle of the page. reminds me of another fake named Richard ............. It's funny, my teacher has been teaching and training for 35+ years. He's made it all the way to 6th Dan in one art (kkw tkd) Now I realize he should be a Grandmaster in at least three existing arts and should have made up a couple of his own by now. I feel so cheated... :) have a groovy day, dave weller --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Mr. P Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:32:37 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bring it guys, I can take it!!! My closet is full of fat skeletons....LOL Michael Tomlinson >From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) >Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. P >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:04:04 -0700 (PDT) > >It is probably time to take the P thread offline. > >I really have no wish to bash this fellow, but it is important that people >know the facts, the dates, the truth. Once that is out [yet again] for all >to see it is time to move on to the next topic. > > >Who wants to bash purple spandex? :) > > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Can’t afford to quit your job? – Earn your AS, BS, or MS degree online in 1 year. http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866145&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866143 --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:27:54 -0400 From: Kevin Donohue Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] JP Van Pelligrini To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A friend of mine was certified (he passed away about 4 years ago) in JKD under Vunak. John P is certified under Vunak as a Phase I instructor but from what my buddy said. He quoted Vunak as stating "Pelligrini was not very good but was a charming guy". My buddy was also a 1st dan KHF and said that what he saw of Pelligrini's Hapkido was sloppy and ineffective at best. Just my 2 cents worth. Kevin Donohue On 4/16/07 4:52 PM, "Stovall, Craig" wrote: > In regards to the hottest mustache in Hapkido (easy ladies...try to > contain yourself)... > > > > I still have an issue of TKDTimes from around 1987 or so. They did a > big cover story on P-Diddy with him bitching and complaining about how > TKD schools didn't teach realistic self-defense (shocking...I know). > This was back in the days when everyone was still plugged into the > Matrix and the general thought pattern was that jump spinning kicks and > endless drilling of one-steps was the high road to utter badassedness. > > > > Anyhither, he was basically a high ranking TKD instructor and there was > no mention of Hapkido training at all in the article. It's interesting > in that the article foreshadows his movement away from TKD and into > Hapkido which I guess he thought was more self-defense oriented (and is, > IMHO). > > > > Too bad he didn't just train like everybody else. Hell, after 20 years > he'd be a legitimate master if he trained properly and under the right > guidance. IMHO, buying rank is stupid unless you're going to die > tomorrow. > > > > He should probably call what he does "Pelligrini Hoshinsul" since the > only thing that everyone in the Hapkido community can seem to agree upon > is the fact that Pelligrini doesn't teach/know/do Hapkido. That would > be my first clue right there, folks. You talk about herdin' > cats...dayum! > > > > Looking at his website, I see that he also claims instructor status in > JKD, Aikido, and Combat Sambo. Uh huh...right. > > > > If my comments seem disrespectful, please keep in mind it was not my > intention (to be respectful). > > > > Craig "The Truth Hurts Like a Punch to the Grill" Stovall > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > This e-mail transmission contains privileged and confidential information > intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this > e-mail was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains > confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by e-mail > or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, > paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not > the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not > be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such > privilege may relate to the sender. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:32:34 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Pelligrini's History Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ladies and Gentlemen: I am often very quiet about the goings on DD but there are times when silence is not an option. Master Tomlinson, I appreciate your chronology of Mr. Pelligrini's history but there are a few facts that was left out. Before I say anything let me make perfectly clear that I have no issue with Mr Pelligrini. he is where is because "the system" permitted it. I will add to what Master Tomlinson wrote because it's history and if it will help someone to make an informed decision, I am all for it. What I have to add is based on my own personal experience with him. Mr. Pelligrini was also a member of the World Oriental Martial Arts Federation (WOMAF) and the Korean Hapkido Federation (KHF) both led by GMs Sang Kook Kim and James Garrison or Portland, Oregon. He became a member of WOMAF and KHF circa 1990 then a 1st dan issued by GM Michael Wollmershauser who led the AHA. In 1992, Mr. tested for his 2nd dan at a seminar led by GM Garrison at seminar in Las Vegas. I, then a 5th dan, was a member of the exam board. Mr. Pellegrini was issued a provisional 2nd dan because is performance at the exam was not satisfactory. He was extended this privilege based on GM Arthur Gitlin and my recommendation. GM Garrison was against this idea but he went along with it. Shortly after that weekend GM Gitlin received a letter from Mr. Pellegrini resigning his membership on the ground that standards set by GM Garrison was too high and therefore unattainable. That's I know personally. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster IKMAF In a message dated 4/16/2007 4:15:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: I feel what Dakin is saying and I agree..work out with who you want, spend your money on what you want...BUT please don't get defensive and mad when guys on here tell you the truth who were there and not gossiping but informing people of the "actual history" it's a service to people to hear this information and not a bashing on anyone....I'm getting too old for all that!!! ..I don't think Pelligrini got his BB in 1988 but I could be mistaken...the only way I know about all of this is because I was personally there on the mat when it all happened...Orange City...Chester Holubecki's Dojo...it was where MY instructor taught HKD at that time...we worked out there 3 times a week religiously and a lot of times on Saturday too, every class was 2 and a half hours or more...once a year Mike Wollmershauser came down to do a three to five day AHA seminar...Chester was from Springfield Mass, Mike W. was from Springfield Mass, and my instructor Steve Mortel who was one of Hal Whalen's first black belts, had moved to my area of Florida from Boston....lot's of Mass. guys who knew each other....that's why we were at an Isshin Ryu Karate Dojo doing "real" HKD..plus Chester had some really good mats which were hard to find in the early 90's and late 80's...anywho Pelligrini owned a tkd school in Sunrise Florida and ONLY came up for the seminar..no one in our area knew him at all....I saw him recieve his 1st dan from Mike W..Pelligrini didn't do HKD then,..and knew nothing about HKD before that seminar...by 1992 I was testing for my 1st dan with Hal Whalen and we were in the WHF under Kwang Sik Myung...Pelligrini was NOW in the WHF so I was aware of his entire HKD history in the very early stages....ask yourself this??? Pelligrini recieved his 1st and 2nd dan in the AHA...and they were basically honorary...then he jumped to the WHF when Mike W. wouldn't promote him anymore, where did I hear this? From Mike W. personally...no worries..doesn't concern me and I have nothing but good things to say about Mike W., he treated me great and showed me some awesome HKD..plus he was good friends with Hal Whalen and Steve Mortel...by 1993 or so Pelligrini was now a 4th or 5th dan in HKD under Myung....did I agree with this??? No, was it my business, no....so whatever..BUT...he was in the AHA and the WHF and that is the ONLY place he trained in HKD before he started his own thing....ok...fast tracked with two honorary HKD black belts in the AHA and skipped to 4th and 5th in the WHF,,, ALL WITHIN ABOUT 6 YEARS!!! I'm not saying anything about anyone on here...it is just the facts.....just one question more and I'll stop..... Why doesn't Pelligrini state these facts on his website???? I read all the info on his link with all his accolades and accomplishments and history...why would he not put his training on there with the AHA and the WHF....it doesn't make sense to me that you would leave off the two organizations where you recieved your actual HKD training???? Why is that??? Just some facts and questions....again...I don't care who or where anyone trains with....it's all up to you..if you love training with him that is great and I am happy for you..but putting advertisements on here about a seminar with marketing stuff that some of us old timers no better will get these kind of facts stated everytime...it's not bashing...it's our duty as old time HKD people to let EVERYONE know...you make your own choices and decisions...but at least you know the truth... Michael Tomlinson ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Pelligrini's History Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:25:37 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Cyrus, Thank you sir for the information...I was totally unaware of this connection..... Michael Tomlinson >From: Chosondo@aol.com >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Pelligrini's History >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:32:34 EDT > >Ladies and Gentlemen: > >I am often very quiet about the goings on DD but there are times when >silence is not an option. Master Tomlinson, I appreciate your chronology of >Mr. >Pelligrini's history but there are a few facts that was left out. Before I >say >anything let me make perfectly clear that I have no issue with Mr >Pelligrini. >he is where is because "the system" permitted it. I will add to what >Master >Tomlinson wrote because it's history and if it will help someone to make an >informed decision, I am all for it. What I have to add is based on my own >personal experience with him. > >Mr. Pelligrini was also a member of the World Oriental Martial Arts >Federation (WOMAF) and the Korean Hapkido Federation (KHF) both led by GMs >Sang Kook >Kim and James Garrison or Portland, Oregon. He became a member of WOMAF >and >KHF circa 1990 then a 1st dan issued by GM Michael Wollmershauser who led >the >AHA. In 1992, Mr. tested for his 2nd dan at a seminar led by GM Garrison >at >seminar in Las Vegas. I, then a 5th dan, was a member of the exam board. >Mr. >Pellegrini was issued a provisional 2nd dan because is performance at the >exam >was not satisfactory. He was extended this privilege based on GM Arthur >Gitlin and my recommendation. GM Garrison was against this idea but he went > along >with it. Shortly after that weekend GM Gitlin received a letter from Mr. >Pellegrini resigning his membership on the ground that standards set by GM >Garrison was too high and therefore unattainable. That's I know >personally. > >Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster >IKMAF > >In a message dated 4/16/2007 4:15:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > >I feel what Dakin is saying and I agree..work out with who you want, spend >your money on what you want...BUT please don't get defensive and mad when >guys on here tell you the truth who were there and not gossiping but >informing people of the "actual history" it's a service to people to hear >this information and not a bashing on anyone....I'm getting too old for >all >that!!! > >..I don't think Pelligrini got his BB in 1988 but I could be >mistaken...the >only way I know about all of this is because I was personally there on the >mat when it all happened...Orange City...Chester Holubecki's Dojo...it was >where MY instructor taught HKD at that time...we worked out there 3 times >a >week religiously and a lot of times on Saturday too, every class was 2 and >a >half hours or more...once a year Mike Wollmershauser came down to do a >three >to five day AHA seminar...Chester was from Springfield Mass, Mike W. was >from Springfield Mass, and my instructor Steve Mortel who was one of Hal >Whalen's first black belts, had moved to my area of Florida from >Boston....lot's of Mass. guys who knew each other....that's why we were at >an Isshin Ryu Karate Dojo doing "real" HKD..plus Chester had some really >good mats which were hard to find in the early 90's and late 80's...anywho >Pelligrini owned a tkd school in Sunrise Florida and ONLY came up for the >seminar..no one in our area knew him at all....I saw him recieve his 1st >dan >from Mike W..Pelligrini didn't do HKD then,..and knew nothing about HKD >before that seminar...by 1992 I was testing for my 1st dan with Hal Whalen >and we were in the WHF under Kwang Sik Myung...Pelligrini was NOW in the >WHF >so I was aware of his entire HKD history in the very early stages....ask >yourself this??? Pelligrini recieved his 1st and 2nd dan in the AHA...and >they were basically honorary...then he jumped to the WHF when Mike W. >wouldn't promote him anymore, where did I hear this? From Mike W. >personally...no worries..doesn't concern me and I have nothing but good >things to say about Mike W., he treated me great and showed me some >awesome >HKD..plus he was good friends with Hal Whalen and Steve Mortel...by 1993 >or >so Pelligrini was now a 4th or 5th dan in HKD under Myung....did I agree >with this??? No, was it my business, no....so whatever..BUT...he was in >the >AHA and the WHF and that is the ONLY place he trained in HKD before he >started his own thing....ok...fast tracked with two honorary HKD black >belts >in the AHA and skipped to 4th and 5th in the WHF,,, ALL WITHIN ABOUT 6 >YEARS!!! I'm not saying anything about anyone on here...it is just the >facts.....just one question more and I'll stop..... Why doesn't >Pelligrini >state these facts on his website???? I read all the info on his link with >all his accolades and accomplishments and history...why would he not put >his >training on there with the AHA and the WHF....it doesn't make sense to me >that you would leave off the two organizations where you recieved your >actual HKD training???? Why is that??? Just some facts and >questions....again...I don't care who or where anyone trains with....it's >all up to you..if you love training with him that is great and I am happy >for you..but putting advertisements on here about a seminar with marketing >stuff that some of us old timers no better will get these kind of facts >stated everytime...it's not bashing...it's our duty as old time HKD people >to let EVERYONE know...you make your own choices and decisions...but at >least you know the truth... > >Michael Tomlinson > > > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:17:37 -0400 From: "Robinson, Charlie" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] World Hapkido Association / Pro-Hapkido Tournament June 2nd Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I wanted to share with the list that the World Hapkido Association http://www.worldhapkido.com/ will be holding its East Coast Tournament on June 2nd just outside of Orlando, FL. Last year it was a true international event with competitors from South America, Canada and across the US. There are already a number of folks from across the globe registered, including last years winner from Columbia. You can get more info or register for the tournament at either www.worldhapkido.com or http://www.pro-hapkido.com/ Regards Charlie Robinson Orlando, FL *********************************************************************** This email may contain confidential material. If you were not an intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies. We may monitor email to and from our network. *********************************************************************** --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:42:24 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mine better than yours? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 4/16/2007 6:15:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: From: "Jason & Nicole Swanson" To: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 08:34:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Combat Hapkido Seminar - June 2, 2007 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here we go again, with mine is better than yours. Ya, ya...we know...next topic please. I think you are a little off, but, then again you don't know me either. But I think these posts were in the vein of Senior Hapkidoin looking after those who are just getting into it. Ive trained with a lot of great Hapkido people as the rest here. If you have a good basis in Hapkido take a look at his tapes and watch GM P's Basic movement. HE HAS NONE. Get twisted by the likes of GM JI, Gm West, Master Whalen, MAster Mike Mcarty Master James Allison Master Jere Hilland and you will know. Or for the matter just watch them move. That is why these comments are made here. Jack O ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: "Thomas Gordon" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:30:56 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KMA event in Crestview, FL Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, the First Annual Korean Martial Art Festival here in Crestview, FL has come and gone. Weather was absolutely gorgeous until Saturday evening/night and it got ugly. Cleared up Sunday and was nice again. A bit cool for this time of the year but not enough for a jacket. A few of the participants went to the beach and viewed some local attractions. So everyone has gone home and I'm finally getting a chance to recoup. I'm so tired I can hardly type! Had a great time and I was humbled by the great martial artists that came out to support the event. The seminar leaders were fantastic and everyone seemed to have a great time. Frankly, it's not every day you get to attend a martial art function and everyone seems to be free of egos. Friday started out with a two blocks of three seminars. Then Grand Masters Hwang & Timmerman started the Saturday session out and onto four more blocks of three seminars running concurrently. Sunday wrapped it up with two more blocks of three seminars each. The menu style seminars has always been appealing to me since I first heard of them being hosted in California by the traditional ju-jutsu guys. Finally attended a few in the mid/late 90's in Destin, FL and then a few in Jackson over the last few years. We had a lot of different styles represented with Hapkido, Taekwon-Do, TangSooDo, KukSool, etc. Obviously the two keynote seminar leaders represented NKMAA and ITF. Couldn't have done this without Grand Master Timmerman's support. The NKMAA team of Master's Trudeau, Janisse, Custer, & Miner was first class giving seminars on short stick (DanBong), pressure points, kick defense, cane, wrist grab defense, and sparring drills/combinations. PTBA/ITTA's Master Hendrix couldn't make it due to his wife being pregnant but was considerate enough to send a stand in pitcher with Dr McKillican for the stick/arnis seminar. WKF's Grand Master McMurray lead a "Hapkido..why it's better to give than receive" seminar that was popular. Master DuFour gave a self defense seminar with a TangSooDo flavor. Master Dante James of WHA did a ground defense and knife defense seminar. Mr Wesley Wing of the ATA gave a kick seminar that made spin, jump, & jump-spin kicks a bit easier. Speaking of him, pleasantly surprised at the ATA folks that showed up. Started planning on next year's event being held April 18-20. Grand Master Hwang (ITF) and Grand Master Timmerman (WKF/NKMAA) have both committed to coming next year and I'll start working on the instructor list next week. For the most part, keeping the same list as this year but have a few slots that I'll be trying to fill. Check the website for pictures of this year's event at www.SouthEastMA.com and upcoming events in our area. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:21:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Horold whalen To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, Ray Subject: [The_Dojang] Pelligrini Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As I read the posts from both Master Dakin Burdik and Master Mike Tomlinson ,I would first like to thank them for their compliments and kind Words. As far as john Pelligirini goes ,A couple of things had been overlooked John was once involved with Master Garrison out of Oregon ,Before he became involved with Master Myung and The WHFand was asked to leave. There are reasons Master Myung Has never come out publicly I will go into a little detail ,I was first a member of the WHF and the first Non-Korean to receive 5TH Dan from them in 1987,This is before Pelligrini was even a member .or in Hapkido he was still TKD I first Met John in Jan or Feb of 1991 at a seminar held in Ca. at the World Hapkido Federations Dojang ,It was a two day instructors course along with annual Banquet. john moved Best when a Camera came out It made most of the People at the seminar laugh I was there with several of My Black Belt students john was partnered up with Donald Hahn ,I remember Him complaining about his wrist and the fact he would only use one side doing Techniques ,And when we kicked someone said I thought He did Tae Kwon Do but his kicks "SUCKED" After about ten minutes Donald Switched partners so we were paired up ,Don's reaction was Now we Do Hapkido he was upset That even before he applied the Technique or pressure John would tap out ,or he would have too guided to the Floor because He did not Seem to know how fall .Don and I did " Balls To walls " Hapkido the way it was meant to be every time Master Myung Had people switch he would look over at us . and "Say Not you Two" That evening was the Instructors Banquet held at a local restaurant the guest Speaker was Hwang,Duk Kyu the President of The KHA at that time . While dinner was going on John mentioned He was upset about the possibility we would be forced to do forms that Myung made up . He asked me Since you are the Senior American would you please approach Master Myung ,Which I did the Following day. The next Day I approached Master Myung and Mentioned some of the Instructors asked if We could not do the Forms , And he said those that wish not to do the Forms please step over to the Wall ,John did not move he stood there to give the impression it was all me ,This was his lame attempt to either Knock me down or discredit me , He could not do it on the Mat. That was the Beginning of my lost of respect for him.Master Myung held a seminar in New York in or around 1992 at a Dojang owned by someone John had promoted to first or second Dan . Two of My Black Belts were there I could not make it My wife was Pregnant and Due .. Not one of the Students there could fall And My Black Belts stepped up to assisit Master Myung in teaching A seminar on how to fall ,They were disappointed since little or No hapkido would be taught ,It was around this time He was either asked to leave or suggested ,If I had any respect for him it was lost , --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest