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(James O'Connor) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:06:33 -0400 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: T'aeggyeon footwork Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye asked: >i've recently seen tae kyon online at youtube...can someone explain to me the ritualistic dance two step they do to start? looks like breakdance fighting sometimes... It is pumbakki (sp?). It is a triangular footwork similar to that used in Kali, but in this case similar to Korean dance movement. When I was doing t'aeggyeon back in 1987, one of our club members was a capoeirista, and he pointed out that the pumbakki was very much like the ginga of capoeira, except that the ginga put the base of the triangle behind you, and t'aeggyeon put it in front. The reason for the movement is that there are a lot of sweeps in t'aeggyeon, so you try to deceive your opponent into committing by playing with the rhythm of your movement. Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: T'aeggyeon footwork Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:37:52 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dakin, Cool explanation...we do kind of the same thing (but a little diferent) in our HKD...we always explain that in about 85 percent of the HKD techniques you step on an X....you are at the intersection of the two lines and your opponent is in the gap at the top of the X...when you move...you move in one of the 4 directions on the X...that way you are always flanking, glancing, and manuevering away from your opponents power....the other 15 percent of the time the movement goes straight in and low and then rises......these techniques are usually party crashers and are pretty brutal...in class we drill this stepping over and over and over until you just step that way naturally... when I get a student to this point then the fun begins... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: T'aeggyeon footwork >Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:06:33 -0400 > >Jye asked: > > >i've recently seen tae kyon online at youtube...can someone explain to me >the >ritualistic dance two step they do to start? looks like breakdance fighting >sometimes... > >It is pumbakki (sp?). It is a triangular footwork similar to that used in >Kali, but in this case similar to Korean dance movement. When I was doing >t'aeggyeon back in 1987, one of our club members was a capoeirista, and he >pointed out that the pumbakki was very much like the ginga of capoeira, >except >that the ginga put the base of the triangle behind you, and t'aeggyeon put >it >in front. The reason for the movement is that there are a lot of sweeps in >t'aeggyeon, so you try to deceive your opponent into committing by playing >with the rhythm of your movement. > >Yours in the arts, > >Dakin >dakinburdick@yahoo.com > >[demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a >name of winmail.dat] >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:25:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: T'aeggyeon footwork To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I didn't ask that question...lol. I have some training footage, I'll upload it and share it with the group in a few. Jye "Burdick, Dakin Robert" wrote: Jye asked: >i've recently seen tae kyon online at youtube...can someone explain to me the ritualistic dance two step they do to start? looks like breakdance fighting sometimes... It is pumbakki (sp?). It is a triangular footwork similar to that used in Kali, but in this case similar to Korean dance movement. When I was doing t'aeggyeon back in 1987, one of our club members was a capoeirista, and he pointed out that the pumbakki was very much like the ginga of capoeira, except that the ginga put the base of the triangle behind you, and t'aeggyeon put it in front. The reason for the movement is that there are a lot of sweeps in t'aeggyeon, so you try to deceive your opponent into committing by playing with the rhythm of your movement. Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:33:47 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Korean Crafts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "This site can be found at http://www.indiana.edu/~easc/resources/korea_slides/index.htm. In 2000 I was fortunate enough to visit some of the burial sites (Silla) and see some of these artifacts." That was a nice website. Thanks for the link Curt. Dr. Kimm He-Young took a group of us (with the USKMAF) in 2000, we also visited some of the burial mounds and I found a photo on my webpage at http://www.hapkidoselfdefense.com/image016.jpg. JRH www.rrhapkido.com www.jrhilland.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:13:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] taekkyon clips Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net song duk ki interview (anyone speak korean?) http://youtube.com/watch?v=gWCLMmEH_88&mode=related&search= http://youtube.com/watch?v=8gUv8tDn7yM&mode=related&search= http://youtube.com/watch?v=aM9A0R2vT_8&mode=related&search= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Duque Institute of Martial Arts" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:36:12 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If I could ask some of you with more experience to help me understand why we block sometimes with the fist pointing outwards (an palmok) and sometimes with the fist pointing inwards? I would think that one would be a stronger, more efficient block than the other? For example:    An palmok bakkat momtong makki vs. bakkat momtong makki? Does anyone recommend a good book or resource to learn about reasons/explanations for blocks? Sincerely, Kat ------------------------------------------------------------------------ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Robert Wood" Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:58:12 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net with the fist pointing outward, you can open the hand and turn the block into a grab, lock, and/or throw. IHS, Robert L. Wood, I am careful not to confuse excellence with perfection. Excellence I can reach for; perfection is God’s business. – Michael J. Fox ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Discuss martial arts & Christianity at http://www.karateforchrist.com Get your own emal service at ZZN.COM. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "harold stabe" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:49:35 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would guess that stronger more efficient is in the eyes of the beholder.The inner block lends itself immeadiately to a back fist or to a trap while the outer block lends itself to a tiger claw strike.These are just 2 examples, I am sure others can offer more. >From: "Duque Institute of Martial Arts" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? >Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:36:12 -0500 > >If I could ask some of you with more experience to help me understand why >we block sometimes with the fist pointing outwards (an palmok) and >sometimes with the fist pointing inwards? I would think that one would be >a stronger, more efficient block than the other? > >For example:    An palmok bakkat momtong makki vs. bakkat momtong makki? > >Does anyone recommend a good book or resource to learn about >reasons/explanations for blocks? > >Sincerely, > >Kat > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live >Hotmail. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 --__--__-- Message: 9 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:43:21 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > If I could ask some of you with more experience to help me understand why > we block sometimes with the fist pointing outwards (an palmok) and > sometimes with the fist pointing inwards? I would think that one would be > a stronger, more efficient block than the other? When you practice these blocks you typically start from the same position, yes? But what if the arm/hand is already in some other position, position X. If you only practice one type of block, you will only be able to block one way. If you are scratching your [insert itchy body part here] and suddenly you need to block, which block will be quicker? Plan for the unexpected. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:20:32 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net An interesting read. We saw much of this while visiting Korea with Grand Master Seo's World KidoHae group and Grand Master Timmerman's NKMAA. The tombs were unreal. Amazing buildings. Felt odd though as we tourists walked through and you'd see the locals stop and pray before the buddha. Some images on our website at www.gordonmartialarts.com/korea And I'll never forget, everything was up hill....even downhill seemed up hill! Thomas Gordon Florida -----Original Message----- From: Curt McCauley [mailto:curt@channeltownkarate.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:35 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) The article on ancient Korean Crafts was just great!! I googled "Han Byung Sam and found the article and the site it came from. There are some very nice photos of some of the things mentioned in the article as well as other very interesting information. This site can be found at http://www.indiana.edu/~easc/resources/korea_slides/index.htm In 2000 I was fortunate enough to visit some of the burial sites (Silla) and see some of these artifacts. Thanks Mr. JYE Sincerely, Curt McCauley Chief Instructor Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- Message: 11 From: James O'Connor Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:52:07 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On May 10, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Robert Wood wrote: > with the fist pointing outward, you can open the hand and turn the > block > into a grab, lock, and/or throw. > > And conversely when you block with the fist pointing in you are blocking with a larger bone in the forearm. So like many such questions, it depends on the context > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > Discuss martial arts & Christianity at http://www.karateforchrist.com Thanks for the link :) Jay O'Connor jay@r4h-music.com http://myspace.com/jwoconnor --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest