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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: purpose of blocks? (Jye nigma) 2. RE: purpose of blocks? (Jye nigma) 3. TSD MDK instructor dies (The_Dojang) 4. Are they really "forearm" blocks at all? (dave weller) 5. Re: purpose of blocks? (michael tomlinson) 6. RE: Are they really "forearm" blocks at all? (michael tomlinson) 7. Re: purpose of blocks? (Josh Nyberg) 8. Re: TSD MDK instructor dies (steven riggs) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 07:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To me it's not necessarily what you know as much as how you can impliment what you know and how well you can improvise. For instance, you can know 1000s of techniques, but if you can't impliment one in a real fight or can't improvise when what you learned during training doesn't work exactly like they say during training, then you're in trouble. Jye michael tomlinson wrote: so you think if you know one joint lock, one throw, one kick, one block, and one punch you are ready for anything???? Michael Tomlinson --------------------------------- Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 07:29:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net to me blocking is not necessarily for just blocking as we do in hard styles. To me, a block with the palm facing inward can be a pulling motion, and with the palm facing outward is a pushing motion. Also, a block can be an 'in-between' motion. a person punches, initially you block but you can make that block become a bridge where you can stick to the opponent's limb and then go right into another action; joint lock, strike, etc. It can also be used to trap an opponent's limb. What's funny is, you can alter the function of a block simply by adjusting the force. For instance, a hard outer forearm block would knock the opponent's limb off course from its target. But the same block done with much less force can now stick to that limb and lead that limb. Jye harold stabe wrote: I would guess that stronger more efficient is in the eyes of the beholder.The inner block lends itself immeadiately to a back fist or to a trap while the outer block lends itself to a tiger claw strike.These are just 2 examples, I am sure others can offer more. >From: "Duque Institute of Martial Arts" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? >Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:36:12 -0500 > >If I could ask some of you with more experience to help me understand why >we block sometimes with the fist pointing outwards (an palmok) and >sometimes with the fist pointing inwards? I would think that one would be >a stronger, more efficient block than the other? > >For example: An palmok bakkat momtong makki vs. bakkat momtong makki? > >Does anyone recommend a good book or resource to learn about >reasons/explanations for blocks? > >Sincerely, > >Kat > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live >Hotmail. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 07:36:40 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TSD MDK instructor dies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Martial artist, 29, mourned after Broad Street Run By Jeff Gammage Philly Inquirer Many area martial artists were numb yesterday as they learned of the death of Robert Massaroni, a champion Tang Soo Do instructor who collapsed and died moments after he finished the 10-mile Broad Street Run on Sunday. Massaroni, 29, of Holland, Bucks County, was chief instructor at the Bensalem branch of Nate Gordon's Black Belt Academy, where he was idolized by his "little dragons," the younger students who trailed after him. "He was the first guy to show up to help, and one of the last guys to leave," said Louis Castelli, who trained Massaroni when he was a boy and later taught with him. "This was his life. The kids loved him." Massaroni excelled at the Korean discipline known for explosive kicks and punches. He was the Regional Black Belt Men's Grand Champion in 1997, 1998 and 1999, and won a men's world championship in 2002, according to the school. Gordon said in an e-mail that he was lecturing in Singapore but was cutting his trip short. "Rob was an incredible individual," he wrote. "He came from a very tight Italian family - was the 'baby,' fell in love with his wife, Val, who came from an even closer Italian family. [He] was married less than a year." Gordon said Massaroni was "loved by the students and had a special knack for teaching, especially little ones. . . . A wonderful person, son, husband, teacher and friend. He has touched many lives in his short time on Earth." Massaroni was also a seventh-grade teacher at Shafer Middle School in Bensalem, where he took an interest in youth fitness. Last year, a reporter who visited the school described Massaroni helping students to learn yoga, aerobics and karate. Efforts to reach school officials were unsuccessful. Massaroni earned a master's degree in education from Temple University. The Bensalem Black Belt Academy was closed yesterday in Massaroni's honor. Staff members posted a Web tribute to the chief instructor, whom they remembered as "a man that loved. He loved Tang Soo Do, he loved his family, he loved Val, his wife." Castelli said Massaroni had trained for his third Broad Street Run. He came in 3,934th among approximately 15,000 who finished the race, running the course in 1:24:34 on the cool and windy morning. "He was an athlete," Castelli said. "That's why this is so crazy. . . . It's devastating." Massaroni collapsed just after completing a point-to-point run that Runner's World magazine has named one of the fastest 10-mile courses in the nation. The race started at Central High School at 8:30 a.m. and finished at the end of Broad Street in South Philadelphia. Temple University, Hahnemann University and Methodist Hospitals stand along the course. Massaroni was taken to Methodist, where he was pronounced dead. No cause of death was immediately available. Sudden death among young, competitive athletes is rare, but not as singular as it may seem. The well-known basketball players Hank Gathers of Loyola Marymount University and Reggie Lewis of the Boston Celtics both died on the court. A 1991 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association examined the sudden deaths of 158 trained athletes between 1985 and 1995. It found that death can be due to congenital heart defects or a variety of cardiovascular diseases, and that medical pre-screenings were of limited value in revealing abnormalities. Massaroni had recently completed the requirements to become a fourth-degree master, which typically requires at least 16 years of training. He was to receive his belt this fall. "He wasn't the most talented kid when he came to me, but he became a world champion," Castelli said. "He had the drive. He was a good role model, too. If everyone in the world was as good as this guy, the world would be a better place." --__--__-- Message: 4 From: dave weller Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:32:41 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Are they really "forearm" blocks at all? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The discussion of "forearm" blocks got me to thinking (danger, danger!!). True, in inward and outward blocks the forearm _can_ be the blocking tool. Either blocking with the palm out ala the 2nd move of taeguek yook-jang (six) or the palm in ala the second move of Palgwe Il jang (one) the forearm might come into play. But is not the true intention to block with the hammer-fist (meaty part of the fist near the pinky) to the _attackers_ forearm? As Mako noted and anyone who had practiced those blocks against an opponent can testify the forearm nerve bundle along the inner forearm hurts like crazy when it is hit hard. I guess I'd rather have my fist hitting their nerves than vice versa. Of course the beauty of these blocks is that if I am inaccurate or the vector of attack changes and I do not hit the attacking limb with my fist then I have my forearm as a reserve blocking tool. Interested in other views on this! dave weller On May 12, 2007, at 5:06 AM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > Good Afternoon All, > I'd like to add something of little importance perhaps. There > is more sensitivity in the radius side of the forearm than in that > of the ulna. Try striking your forearms together and you quickly > discover which side is more or less sensitive. Unless you've > already damaged the nerves in your arms or don't mind the pain, you > may prefer blocking with one or the other. > Mako --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:36:25 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To me knowing and implementing are the same thing....I don't consider "knowing" some form of verbal representation or slow demonstration in a controlled environment. that's just the beginning of the process..to me "knowing and implementing are the same thing" also the word improvise conotates being able to skew a technique in any direction for different consequences...even if you can improvise one technique in many ways....does that mean that's enough?? No it doesn't...I can use a hammer for a lot of things..but some I can't "improvise" a hammer to do.....I can improvise a kick in a lot of different ways but there are some times a kick won't work....... again I don't consider any technique being "known" until you can use it when you need it......here's the farce about knowing just a few techniques....once an encounter becomes dynamic just like you have stated, and you are moving in a 3 dimensional world,, then things are changing on the fly and the "one" technique that you know so well is now not applicable because of the position, environment, situation that you are in...so this is when practicing a lot of techniques to the point of "knowing" becomes important and you can become fluid and responsive....like you say it is one thing to "talk" about it...it's another to "talk about it and then practice it", and the pinnacle is to get to the point of not talking about it and just being able to do it when it's needed...it's the asian concept of learning everything to the point of forgetting.....IMHO that is what the whole concept of martial arts and Zen or Chan Buddhism is based on.... Michael Tomlinson >From: Jye nigma >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? >Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 07:19:24 -0700 (PDT) > >To me it's not necessarily what you know as much as how you can impliment >what you know and how well you can improvise. For instance, you can know >1000s of techniques, but if you can't impliment one in a real fight or >can't improvise when what you learned during training doesn't work exactly >like they say during training, then you're in trouble. > > Jye > >michael tomlinson wrote: > so you think if you >know one joint lock, one throw, one kick, one block, and one punch you are >ready for anything???? >Michael Tomlinson > >--------------------------------- >Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection >in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Are they really "forearm" blocks at all? Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:45:30 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Very true....I again rebound back to what Ray said...in an uncontrolled environment you really don't have the luxury of having the time to adjust yourself and square up and block with the most advantagous body position...when you think about it...if you have that kind of time then maybe you have time to grab a weapon....I think it's paramount to practice evasion, deflecting, and blocking, from a lot of positions that put you in an improper frame of strength...we try to practice our evasions, blocks, etc... starting with our hands down and our bodies turned in all kinds of different positions....because that IMO is when you are gonna get it.....unfortunately I've seen a lot of fights over the years and almost all of them that involved a strike started with a sucker punch when one person wasn't "ready" for it....I think you need to make your "not ready for it" your "ready for it"....and to do this you need to use blocks and deflections from all over....using all kinds of positions. and all parts of your forearms, shoulders, upper arms etc...... Michael Tomlinson >From: dave weller >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Are they really "forearm" blocks at all? >Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:32:41 -0500 > >The discussion of "forearm" blocks got me to thinking (danger, >danger!!). > >True, in inward and outward blocks the forearm _can_ be the blocking >tool. Either blocking with the palm out ala the 2nd move of taeguek >yook-jang (six) or the palm in ala the second move of Palgwe Il jang >(one) the forearm might come into play. >But is not the true intention to block with the hammer-fist (meaty >part of the fist near the pinky) to the _attackers_ forearm? > >As Mako noted and anyone who had practiced those blocks against an >opponent can testify the forearm nerve bundle along the inner forearm >hurts like crazy when it is hit hard. I guess I'd rather have my fist >hitting their nerves than vice versa. Of course the beauty of these >blocks is that if I am inaccurate or the vector of attack changes and >I do not hit the attacking limb with my fist then I have my forearm >as a reserve blocking tool. > >Interested in other views on this! > >dave weller > >On May 12, 2007, at 5:06 AM, the_dojang- >request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > > > Good Afternoon All, > > I'd like to add something of little importance perhaps. There > > is more sensitivity in the radius side of the forearm than in that > > of the ulna. Try striking your forearms together and you quickly > > discover which side is more or less sensitive. Unless you've > > already damaged the nerves in your arms or don't mind the pain, you > > may prefer blocking with one or the other. > > Mako >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:30:53 -0500 From: "Josh Nyberg" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I learned a very important lesson regarding blocking a couple of weeks ago when we were sparring in class. If someone is punching you don't block the strike into your throat...it hurts. On the positive side that was one less time that Master Hilland got me in the ribs. I guess that's another important lesson...don't block with your ribs. Josh --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: steven riggs Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TSD MDK instructor dies To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I started my career in Tang Soo Do in Lancaster PA many years ago and my instructor had studied in Philadelphia. We knew of many good Tang Soo Do people there. I didn't have the privilege of knowing this young man but I wish that I did. I would have considered it an honor to know someone who obviously lived the tenets of our art to such a high degree. My deepest respects and condolences to his family and his students. Steven Riggs The_Dojang wrote: Martial artist, 29, mourned after Broad Street Run By Jeff Gammage Philly Inquirer Many area martial artists were numb yesterday as they learned of the death of Robert Massaroni, a champion Tang Soo Do instructor who collapsed and died moments after he finished the 10-mile Broad Street Run on Sunday. Massaroni, 29, of Holland, Bucks County, was chief instructor at the Bensalem branch of Nate Gordon's Black Belt Academy, where he was idolized by his "little dragons," the younger students who trailed after him. "He was the first guy to show up to help, and one of the last guys to leave," said Louis Castelli, who trained Massaroni when he was a boy and later taught with him. "This was his life. The kids loved him." Massaroni excelled at the Korean discipline known for explosive kicks and punches. He was the Regional Black Belt Men's Grand Champion in 1997, 1998 and 1999, and won a men's world championship in 2002, according to the school. Gordon said in an e-mail that he was lecturing in Singapore but was cutting his trip short. "Rob was an incredible individual," he wrote. "He came from a very tight Italian family - was the 'baby,' fell in love with his wife, Val, who came from an even closer Italian family. [He] was married less than a year." Gordon said Massaroni was "loved by the students and had a special knack for teaching, especially little ones. . . . A wonderful person, son, husband, teacher and friend. He has touched many lives in his short time on Earth." Massaroni was also a seventh-grade teacher at Shafer Middle School in Bensalem, where he took an interest in youth fitness. Last year, a reporter who visited the school described Massaroni helping students to learn yoga, aerobics and karate. Efforts to reach school officials were unsuccessful. Massaroni earned a master's degree in education from Temple University. The Bensalem Black Belt Academy was closed yesterday in Massaroni's honor. Staff members posted a Web tribute to the chief instructor, whom they remembered as "a man that loved. He loved Tang Soo Do, he loved his family, he loved Val, his wife." Castelli said Massaroni had trained for his third Broad Street Run. He came in 3,934th among approximately 15,000 who finished the race, running the course in 1:24:34 on the cool and windy morning. "He was an athlete," Castelli said. "That's why this is so crazy. . . . It's devastating." Massaroni collapsed just after completing a point-to-point run that Runner's World magazine has named one of the fastest 10-mile courses in the nation. The race started at Central High School at 8:30 a.m. and finished at the end of Broad Street in South Philadelphia. Temple University, Hahnemann University and Methodist Hospitals stand along the course. Massaroni was taken to Methodist, where he was pronounced dead. No cause of death was immediately available. Sudden death among young, competitive athletes is rare, but not as singular as it may seem. The well-known basketball players Hank Gathers of Loyola Marymount University and Reggie Lewis of the Boston Celtics both died on the court. A 1991 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association examined the sudden deaths of 158 trained athletes between 1985 and 1995. It found that death can be due to congenital heart defects or a variety of cardiovascular diseases, and that medical pre-screenings were of limited value in revealing abnormalities. Massaroni had recently completed the requirements to become a fourth-degree master, which typically requires at least 16 years of training. He was to receive his belt this fall. "He wasn't the most talented kid when he came to me, but he became a world champion," Castelli said. "He had the drive. He was a good role model, too. If everyone in the world was as good as this guy, the world would be a better place." _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Sensei Steven Riggs Master Instructor American Defensive Arts Master of Philosophy in Martial Science stevencriggs@yahoo.com www.americandefensivearts.org 828-322-6904 --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! 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