Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 03:00:40 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #150 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. need a school (steven riggs) 2. Re: The rules of life (sidtkd@aol.com) 3. Meloon washes her hands (The_Dojang) 4. Re: Arbitrator rules taekwondo star can't join (Joseph Cheavens) 5. Re: Re: The rules of life (Thomas Gordon) 6. Re: need a school (WTSDA Bruce) 7. Re: Re: The rules of life (Jye nigma) 8. Taekwondo World's Kick Off Friday (The_Dojang) 9. Re: purpose of blocks? (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: steven riggs To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] need a school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was hoping any one out there might know of a good school in Orange County CA. I have a 10 year old orange belt in Tang Soo Do moving back to CA. Parents want to keep him in Tang Soo Do preferrably but will accept quality dojo of other comparable style. Steven Riggs Sensei Steven Riggs Master Instructor American Defensive Arts Master of Philosophy in Martial Science stevencriggs@yahoo.com www.americandefensivearts.org 828-322-6904 --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 08:05:07 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The rules of life Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tom et al: Yes taxes, permits to run a busines and all the minutae of life weigh heavily on us all. But once again, Small Claims Courts dismiss 89% of all consumer complaints so I disagree with your assumptions that the courts side with consumers. Secondly, the original beef was about regulating martial arts. On that note you didn't offer any argument regarding how the law affects martial arts in any way whatsoever. It's my feeling that apart from opening any business and the attendant costs and rules, martial arts doesn't even have the rules a kids dance studio has much less any health or gym. Please...let's be real here. Sid ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 05:37:40 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Meloon washes her hands Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net May 16, 2007, 7:56PM Meloon washes her hands of USA Taekwondo Two-time world medalist says female-friendly coach is needed Houston Chronicle Mandy Meloon, the two-time world taekwondo medalist from Sugar Land whose petition to compete in this year's world championships was denied this week by an arbitrator, said Wednesday she will seek other avenues to continue her dispute with USA Taekwondo and with her former coach, Jean Lopez. Meloon, 26, hopes to spend time in Europe visiting family and getting back on her feet financially but plans to return to the United States and eventually enter the male-dominated world of taekwondo coaching. As for future competition at the world level, she said: "The only way I will compete is for another country. I will not compete for the United States after what they've done to me." Meloon, who has trained off and on since the late 1990s with the Lopez family at their Elite Taekwondo center in Sugar Land, qualified to represent the U.S. at this week's world championships in Beijing but was removed from the team after the latest in a series of disputes with Lopez and USA Taekwondo. That decision was upheld Monday night by Miami-based arbitrator Larry Saichek, who presided over a daylong teleconference involving Meloon and USA Taekwondo officials. She said one of the federation's primary complaints was that she had violated the federation's code of conduct and had published critical comments on her MySpace page. Meloon said that had she been allowed to compete in Beijing, she would have forfeited her matches and announced that she was doing so to protest the federation's treatment of female athletes. "I have major concerns (about USA Taekwondo)," she said. "Things won't be better unless Jean is removed and there's a women's coach and someone the girls can go to with their concerns." --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Arbitrator rules taekwondo star can't join Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 07:53:57 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Couldn't she just change her last name to Lopez, then? ;-) Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Arbitrator rules taekwondo star can't join Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:27:39 -0700 (PDT) > I'd be interested in knowing what this dispute is between her and the > Lopez's. It has a lot to do with her last name not being Lopez... :) Of course she did request arbitration, and got it, so she shouldn't be complaining too much. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 08:47:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The rules of life From: "Thomas Gordon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interesting percentage. Please give reference for 89% of small claim courts being dismissed. There is a large number but I’ve never seen a hard percentage. Much of this happens because of mediation, out of court settlement, petitioner failing to show up, and improper filing. Sometimes the person sues the business and the owners/managers realize the errors of their ways and make things right. Other times they just pay the person that ends up being little more than a leech. What I said was, we are over regulated – and we are. And you’re suggesting licensing of martial art instructors which will add more cost. I’ve discussed this on the other emails and I won’t waste bandwidth going over it again. In our area, opening a martial art school falls in the same category as opening a gym, dance studio, cheerleader/gymnastics studio, etc. And, we’re also under the same bonding laws for contracts. Price gouging is against the law. Selling XYZ certification/product and not providing it is against the law. Licensing instructors would not fix any of this – if it would, why do we have so many medical malpractice lawsuits? Does the bar make lawyers more ethical? Heck, we pay $250 a hour for a good attorney in our area. Thank goodness the bar keeps them from price gouging us. LOL! No offense meant, but do you own a martial art school? A building? Employees? I’m always curious as to the position in which a person argues their point. I’ve already given full disclosure with us operating a full time facility with certified instructors and paid staff. It’s hard being in any business and especially the martial art business while trying to offer a solid service for a reasonable rate. Some months are harder than others. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] need a school Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:08:44 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is a link to WTSDA Region 20, http://www.wtsda.com/regions/Listing.asp?region=20 Take care ----- Original Message ----- From: "steven riggs" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:53 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] need a school > I was hoping any one out there might know of a good school in Orange > County CA. I have a 10 year old orange belt in Tang Soo Do moving back to > CA. Parents want to keep him in Tang Soo Do preferrably but will accept > quality dojo of other comparable style. > Steven Riggs > > > Sensei Steven Riggs > Master Instructor > American Defensive Arts > Master of Philosophy in Martial Science > stevencriggs@yahoo.com > www.americandefensivearts.org > 828-322-6904 > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 07:50:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The rules of life To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This quarter I'm studying microeconomics, and all I can say is we DON'T want the governement to regulate martial arts!!!!! Jye sidtkd@aol.com wrote: Tom et al: Yes taxes, permits to run a busines and all the minutae of life weigh heavily on us all. But once again, Small Claims Courts dismiss 89% of all consumer complaints so I disagree with your assumptions that the courts side with consumers. Secondly, the original beef was about regulating martial arts. On that note you didn't offer any argument regarding how the law affects martial arts in any way whatsoever. It's my feeling that apart from opening any business and the attendant costs and rules, martial arts doesn't even have the rules a kids dance studio has much less any health or gym. Please...let's be real here. Sid ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 13:13:48 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo World's Kick Off Friday Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo World's Kick Off Friday By Bill Kellick // USA Taekwondo // May 17, 2007 The 2007 World Taekwondo Championships kick off Friday in Beijing, with the 16-member U.S. team hungry to improve on its four-medal tally from 2005. The Lopez family will look to "Repeat the Three-Peat" from the 2005 World Championships when all three siblings (Mark, Diana and Steven) claimed gold medals. Steven Lopez, a two-time Olympic gold medalist is seeking his third consecutive world title. Mark Lopez also won a silver medal in 2003 and a bronze at the 1999 World Championships. Other U.S. team members who have World Championship medals on their resume include men's flyweight Tim Thackrey (bronze in 2003) and men's heavyweight Josh Coleman (bronze in 1999). Women's lightweight Nia Abdallah was a silver medalist at the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, Greece. Be sure to catch all the action of the 2007 World Taekwondo Championships on www.wcsn.com, where you can see same-day action of the semi-finals and finals. The men's team consists of finweight Luis Reyes (Van Nuys, Calif.), flyweight Tim Thackrey (Sherman Oaks, Calif.), bantamweight Brian Gallagher (Littleton, Colo.), featherweight Mark Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas), lightweight David Bartlett (Colorado Springs, Colo.), welterweight Steven Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas), middleweight Antony Graf (Miami, Fla.) and heavyweight Josh Coleman (Winston-Salem, N.C.). The women's team is comprised of finweight Charlotte Craig (Murrieta, Calif.), flyweight Simone DeVito (Cortlandt Manor, N.Y.), bantamweight Eleni Koutsilianos (Astoria, N.Y.), featherweight Diana Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas), lightweight Nia Abdallah (Houston, Texas), welterweight Simona Hradil (Los Angeles, Calif.), middleweight Dalia Avivi (Davie, Fla.) and heavyweight Lynda Laurin (Austin, Texas). --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net my thoughts are below: To me knowing and implementing are the same thing....I don't consider "knowing" some form of verbal representation or slow demonstration in a controlled environment. that's just the beginning of the process..to me "knowing and implementing are the same thing" Think about the actual definition of knowing. To know something is to understand it either from experience, word of mouth, theory, etc. So if you can know something without even doing it, then how can you expect to be able to implement (which means to carry out, perform) something you've never experienced? That alone shows that implementation and knowing are different. Now what I will say is that there are different levels of knowing something. a person who actually does what they are studying has a deeper level of knowing (understanding) then a book smart person. HOWEVER, even a person who knows by experience doesn't even mean that they can implement what they know. Prime example, we all know about anatomical structures that can be hit to kill a person. We practice performing techniques that call for striking those points (although we don't really hit them) but that does not mean that in a real fight, we can implement that knowledge. There are way too many variables; moving and thinking opponent being the major variable. See you can know something all day, but that doesn't mean you can implement. also the word improvise conotates being able to skew a technique in any direction for different consequences...even if you can improvise one technique in many ways....does that mean that's enough?? No it doesn't... Well once again, I deal with words as they were meant to be used. so Improvise means to compose and perform or deliver without previous preparation, which basically means on the fly. So If I study a martial art and I get in a fight, and I attempt to implement what I know from training and it doesn't work as taught in class, I need to improvise to have a better chance of something else working due to various variables; environment, opponent, etc. I'll give you a real world example. My niece is 7 and she studies martial arts and had been learning about breaking free from grabs. Well her father comes home and sees her practicing with her sister. He says oh yeah, what are you going to do when someone bigger and stronger comes along and you can't break free, so she says I can break free, so he grabs both of her hands and she tries her move and they don't work, he says yeah what you gonna do now.....so then kicks him in the balls....lol. he let go. That is the best example of improvising....lol. So the bottomline is this, we have all been taught stuff that just doesn't work out on the street and therefore we need to think on our feet quickly to do something else we've been taught or whatever the moment inspires us to do. now there is no gaurantee that whatever you choose to do next will work, but nothing is gauranteed in a real fight except someone is gonna get beat down or worse. I can use a hammer for a lot of things..but some I can't "improvise" a hammer to do.....I can improvise a kick in a lot of different ways but there are some times a kick won't work....... You've missed my point. My example is this, you were taught at some point in your life that a hammer is the proper tool to drive a nail into wood, well if you're at home and can't find a hammer, you can improvise and use a shoe with a hard sole to drive a nail into wood. The same is true with martial arts. You may have been taught that a certain technique will stop someone in their tracks, but what if the person is on drugs? you do the certain technique and it doesn't work, now what? the "now what" is where you improvise simple as that. again I don't consider any technique being "known" until you can use it when you need it...... So then you are saying that any technique that you haven't used in a real fight you don't know. So unless you've killed someone, you don't know killing techniques, unless you've broken someone's joints you don't know joint destruction techniques...etc. To me that's inaccurate. That's like telling a creator or a weapon they don't know that weapon because they've never used it or used it in real time warfare. here's the farce about knowing just a few techniques....once an encounter becomes dynamic just like you have stated, and you are moving in a 3 dimensional world,, then things are changing on the fly and the "one" technique that you know so well is now not applicable because of the position, environment, situation that you are in...so this is when practicing a lot of techniques to the point of "knowing" becomes important and you can become fluid and responsive....like you say it is one thing to "talk" about it...it's another to "talk about it and then practice it", and the pinnacle is to get to the point of not talking about it and just being able to do it when it's needed...it's the asian concept of learning everything to the point of forgetting.....IMHO that is what the whole concept of martial arts and Zen or Chan Buddhism is based on.... What you've just describe applies to teaching someone 1 technique. If you drill any technique enough it becomes second nature, this is beyond the scope of knowing and more into the realm of no cognitive thought just reacting. Furthermore, if all I'm taught to do is punch, then I don't care how much we move around and no matter what environment we're in when you're close enough to hit I'm going to punch you. I have a similar conversation with bagua guys about TKD. In bagua, they learn all this stuff, proper alignment, root, chi development, different stepping, walking the circle, blah blah blah, and these things are really important, but what I was explaining to them was that back in the day when I was in gangs and had to really defend myself for real, I used what I had available some of that was what I knew, and alot was improvising. The point? they say TKD is a joke for various reasons, my argument, I'm here because of it. We learned many many many techniques but what did I use to lay people out? maybe 2 at best and alot of improvising. Jye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest