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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: purpose of blocks? (michael tomlinson) 2. Re: purpose of blocks? (Jye nigma) 3. Need a school (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 4. Re: purpose of blocks? (michael tomlinson) 5. Mark Lopez suffers early exit (The_Dojang) 6. Moon Named Taekwondo Council Member (The_Dojang) 7. Re: purpose of blocks? (Jye nigma) 8. Re: purpose of blocks? (James O'Connor) 9. Strawberry Meth in Schools (Gordon Okerstrom) 10. School (John Merwin) 11. Schools in CA (Frank Clay) 12. grannies shatter myths about ageing (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:48:52 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net << so he grabs both of her hands and she tries her move and they don't work, he says yeah what you gonna do now.....so then kicks him in the balls....lol. he let go. That is the best example of improvising....lol.>>> hhmmm....my point to begin with...you have to practice numerous techniques.....and to improvise you have to "know" numerous techniques....... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net she kicked him in the balls. She wasn't taught to do that...lol. She improvised, both hands were being held and the only things free were her feet. (which is pretty good thinking for a 7 year old, considering her older sister didn't know what to do...lol.) I think the point you could make is that by studying more techniques it gives you a larger array of techniques to improvise from. Jye michael tomlinson wrote: << so he grabs both of her hands and she tries her move and they don't work, he says yeah what you gonna do now.....so then kicks him in the balls....lol. he let go. That is the best example of improvising....lol.>>> hhmmm....my point to begin with...you have to practice numerous techniques.....and to improvise you have to "know" numerous techniques....... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:11:16 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Need a school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Try the web site www.soobahkdo.com that is the Soo Bahk Do (Tang Soo Do) Moo Duk Kwan national website. They a listing of schools around the country JC _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You’ll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:14:25 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net EXACTLY.....that is it...if you have a larger database of techniques to pick from then you can improvise on the fly..... Michael Tomlinson >From: Jye nigma >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? >Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:24:46 -0700 (PDT) > >she kicked him in the balls. She wasn't taught to do that...lol. She >improvised, both hands were being held and the only things free were her >feet. (which is pretty good thinking for a 7 year old, considering her >older sister didn't know what to do...lol.) I think the point you could >make is that by studying more techniques it gives you a larger array of >techniques to improvise from. > > Jye > >michael tomlinson wrote: > << so he grabs both of her hands and she tries her move and they >don't work, he says yeah what you gonna do now.....so then kicks him in the >balls....lol. he let go. That is the best example of >improvising....lol.>>> > > >hhmmm....my point to begin with...you have to practice numerous >techniques.....and to improvise you have to "know" numerous >techniques....... > >Michael Tomlinson > >_________________________________________________________________ >More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > > >--------------------------------- >You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:57:05 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Mark Lopez suffers early exit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark Lopez suffers early exit at Beijing taekwondo worlds Lopez family from the United States failed to repeat the trio-victory glory as Mark Lopez lost to South Korean Song Myeong Seob in the last eight duel of men's featherweight at the World Taekwondo Championships on Friday. As the title holder in the U-67 kilo category, Lopez eased to the last eight. The reigning champion took the advantage over Song Myeong-Seob's one-point deduction in the first round. But Mark failed to score in the second round. Moreover, he inflicted two-time half-point deduction to level with Song, both one point minus. Song launched effective attacks to score three consecutive points to spring out. Despite of being erased a point later for intended fall-down, Song booked a berth in last four with two-point lead, smashing Mark's expectation of extending his family resplendence. The Lopez family made legendary phenomena at 2005 Madrid World Championships, where three players from the family won gold medals and their coach is also from the family, the elder brother Jane Lopez. Steven Lopez, 29, is a dominant taekwondo athlete in welterweight. The accomplishment of two-time Olympic champion and three-time world champion illustrates that frankly. Mark Lopez, 25, was crowned at the featherweight of last World Championships. Their 23-year-old sister Diana Lopez also triumphed there. Source: Xinhua --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:59:52 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Moon Named Taekwondo Council Member Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gold Medalist Moon Named Taekwondo Council Member By Kang Seung-woo The Korea Times BEIJING _ Moon Dae-sung, a gold medallist in the men's over 80kg weight class at the 2004 Athens Summer Olympics, was appointed Thursday as a Council member of the World Taekwondo Federation (WTF). At the WTF General Assembly in Beijing, China, WTF president Choue Chung-won, who has the authority to select two Council members, named Moon, 30, a professor at Dong-a University in Busan, and French national team coach Myriam Baverel, who won a silver medal in the women's over 67kg category in Athens, athlete Council members of the taekwondo body. It is the first time former athletes have served as Council members. They will serve a two-year term. ``I am really proud to be contributing to the development of taekwondo,'' Moon told reporters. ``More than anything else, as a Council member, I will do my best to ensure fair decisions in Taekwondo. If so, I believe taekwondo will gain as much popularity as K-1 or Pride FC.'' He also expressed his future ambitions. `` I have always dreamed of representing South Korean sport.'' Copenhagen, Denmark was selected as the venue of the 2009 WTF World Taekwondo Championships. Copenhagen and Baku, Azerbaijan competed to host the next championships but Baku withdrew at the last moment. The Copenhagen delegation promised to make the 2009 World Taekwondo Championships the best event ever. The governing body hailed two new members, American Samoa and Montenegro. The addition of the two new comers, increase the number of WTF members to 184. In the meeting, the WTF approved the setting up of an Ethics Committee and said that it plans to bring celebrities like former United Nation Secretary General Kofi Anan of Ghana to the committee. The General Assembly also approved the adoptions of a new WTF ``poomsae'' competition uniform and a WTF taekwondo anthem. The uniform is planned to be introduced at the 2nd WTF World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships this September in Incheon and the anthem was played for the first time at the 2007 Beijing World Taekwondo Championships, which kicked off yesterday for a five-day run at Changping Gymnasium in northern Beijing. The governing body, however, postponed altering competition rules such as awarding three points instead of the current two for strikes to the head and reversing decisions by referee. It was decided to gather more opinions from taekwondo experts before putting the rules to a vote. ``As president of the WTF, I have devoted most of my time and energy to the following tasks: to make taekwondo more attractive and action-packed; to ensure fairer judgment and refereeing through the introduction of an electronic protector system and stepped-up referee education; to strengthen solidarity between the WTF and member national associations and continental unions by expanding financial support and strengthening solidarity programs; and to enhance financial stability of the WTF through promotion of marketing activities and transparency in the management of finance matters,'' said Choue at the assembly. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I get your point but you're just stating it wrong. The way you're stating it is making it seem like you can't improvise if you don't have a large database to pull from. Where we differ is that I'm saying you can improvise regardless of the size of your knowledge base, but IF you do have a larger database, it gives you a wider range to improvise with. I could give you some real life situations, but I'm not trying to incriminate myself, plus I'm too pretty for prison...lol Jye michael tomlinson wrote: EXACTLY.....that is it...if you have a larger database of techniques to pick from then you can improvise on the fly..... Michael Tomlinson >From: Jye nigma >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? >Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:24:46 -0700 (PDT) > >she kicked him in the balls. She wasn't taught to do that...lol. She >improvised, both hands were being held and the only things free were her >feet. (which is pretty good thinking for a 7 year old, considering her >older sister didn't know what to do...lol.) I think the point you could >make is that by studying more techniques it gives you a larger array of >techniques to improvise from. > > Jye > >michael tomlinson wrote: > << so he grabs both of her hands and she tries her move and they >don't work, he says yeah what you gonna do now.....so then kicks him in the >balls....lol. he let go. That is the best example of >improvising....lol.>>> > > >hhmmm....my point to begin with...you have to practice numerous >techniques.....and to improvise you have to "know" numerous >techniques....... > >Michael Tomlinson > >_________________________________________________________________ >More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > > >--------------------------------- >You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: James O'Connor Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:30:48 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anyone can improvise and anyone probably will improvise, but a database of techniques will allow you to improvise *more effectively*. Not all improvisational responses are create equally. A kick to te groin is not always effective... what's your next improvisation? On May 18, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Jye nigma wrote: > I get your point but you're just stating it wrong. The way you're > stating it is making it seem like you can't improvise if you don't > have a large database to pull from. Where we differ is that I'm > saying you can improvise regardless of the size of your knowledge > base, but IF you do have a larger database, it gives you a wider > range to improvise with. I could give you some real life > situations, but I'm not trying to incriminate myself, plus I'm too > pretty for prison...lol > > Jye > > > michael tomlinson wrote: > EXACTLY.....that is it...if you have a larger database of > techniques to pick > from then you can improvise on the fly..... > > Michael Tomlinson > >> From: Jye nigma >> Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] purpose of blocks? >> Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:24:46 -0700 (PDT) >> >> she kicked him in the balls. She wasn't taught to do that...lol. She >> improvised, both hands were being held and the only things free >> were her >> feet. (which is pretty good thinking for a 7 year old, considering >> her >> older sister didn't know what to do...lol.) I think the point you >> could >> make is that by studying more techniques it gives you a larger >> array of >> techniques to improvise from. >> >> Jye >> >> michael tomlinson wrote: >> << so he grabs both of her hands and she tries her move and they >> don't work, he says yeah what you gonna do now.....so then kicks >> him in the >> balls....lol. he let go. That is the best example of >> improvising....lol.>>> >> >> >> hhmmm....my point to begin with...you have to practice numerous >> techniques.....and to improvise you have to "know" numerous >> techniques....... >> >> Michael Tomlinson >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live >> Hotmail. >> http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- >> us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck >> in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live > Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- > us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > > > --------------------------------- > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Jay O'Connor jay@r4h-music.com http://myspace.com/jwoconnor --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:34:54 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Strawberry Meth in Schools Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.snopes.com/horrors/drugs/candymeth.asp Hello all, I was shown this and I thought you all should hear about it. Since we all influence the lives of so many, here is a chance to do something before you hear about someone near you. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John Merwin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] School Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net the one that would sent your kid to is National HapKiDo Center, Master Kim. www.hapkidocenter.com or look into Jimmy Kim TKD e-mail at the ceimtrainingcenter@yahoo.com if you would like smaller school John Merwin CIMA Training Center cima@kma-cima.com ***************************************************************************** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful, CIMA Training Center ***************************************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:27:54 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Schools in CA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Try Master Pak, Ho Sik. If he is too far, he may know someone who can help you. He is an EXCELLENT TSD Kwanjang... no bias here though. :) http://www.greatwarriorpak.com/ Frank --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:47:07 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] grannies shatter myths about ageing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net S Korea's taekwondo grannies shatter myths about ageing by Jun Kwanwoo Fri May 18 INCHEON, South Korea (AFP) - Their friends may settle for a stroll in the park but South Korea's taekwondo grannies are made of sterner stuff when it comes to exercise. Shattering stacks of roof tiles with a single powerful punch is part of the daily training routine for the formidably tough members of the Grandma Taekwondo Federation demonstration team, aged in their 60s and 70s. In white robes about 20 women -- including 12 proudly sporting black belts -- practise various chops, kicks and other sparring techniques at a gym in the city of Incheon, west of Seoul. Sharp yells of "Ha!" "Hap!" or "Pasha!" resound through the second-floor matted gym during the gruelling two-hour workout. One black-belted granny dexterously cruises past her peers who hold rubber target boards at different angles. She knocks them down in the blink of an eye with a series of graceful kicks and punches. "All these women have won black belts through an official test at the Kukkiwon (World Taekwondo Headquarters)," said Yoon Yeo-Ho, a taekwondo master and founder of the team which was launched in 1989. "They use actual roof tiles and wooden boards to break for public demonstrations. They practise a lot and harden their bones enough to smash them (the boards) into pieces." The team's 22 members are aged between 58 and 78, with 16 of them in their 70s. They make it a rule to exercise at least two hours a day and six days per week under Yoon's guidance. "At the beginning, it was a simple idea that taekwondo could help these grannies improve their health and that uniforms would look good on them," Yoon said. The team now performs 16 times a year on average at various ceremonies or festivals at home and abroad -- in China, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines. At the start of the session the team recites "Hello" in Japanese, Chinese, English and Thai to prepare for future foreign tours. The tours fit the aims of the Seoul-based World Taekwondo Federation (WTF). "As the nation where taekwondo was born, we're responsible for making the sport enjoyed and loved by men and women of all ages," WTF President Choue Chungwon told AFP. "What matters is how we can let taekwondo take root in the world, not how many medals we can earn from global competitions." At the Incheon gym, each grandma seems full of confidence, satisfaction and fun. "If any punk gets drunk and tries to do something stupid, I think I can knock him out in a single blow," said Park Yeong-Ja, 72, a second-grade black belt practitioner, clenching her fists in a mock offensive gesture. -- More than just exercise, taekwondo is a way of life -- She is the team's "smashing ace" who successfully broke a stack of 10 wooden boards during the latest public demonstration. "Is my husband afraid of me? No. As I am healthier than I used to be, he likes it. He even brags about it to his friends," Park said with a smile. But Park said her main delight was bringing her weight down from 80 to 67 kilograms (176-147 pounds) over several years. Ji Bok-Yeon, 75, team leader and one of the best roof-tile smashers, said taekwondo is not just a hobby but therapy for her rectal cancer. "Doctors first saved my life by giving me a 30-month anti-cancer treatment and taekwondo then gave me a cure. I no longer take anti-cancer medicines after a nine-year workout," Ji said. Ji is a serious enthusiast. She has had a photo taken of herself in her taekwondo robe for use at her funeral and has asked teammates to attend in uniform. The exercise is also a social occasion at which grannies can chat, joke and gossip over coffee or tea during a break or after training. "I was formerly a shy person but now I feel like a totally different character," said Lee Jeong-Suk, 68, who also holds a black belt and took up the martial art to overcome depression after her husband's death. Taekwondo, an Olympic event since 2000, is practised by some 60 million people in 182 countries across the world, according to the WTF. The federation in 2004 launched reforms to bolster its status as a global sport as the IOC reviews all 28 Olympic events. Some may be dropped in future. The federation says its reforms focus on making taekwondo more commercially successful and more interesting. The grannies fit the bill, attracting increasing public recognition. "Once out in a park after appearing on a TV show, we were all surprised to see kids scrambling to get our autographs," said Yoon. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest