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California State TKD Chip (Martial Arts Tournaments) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 07:24:38 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Host China, Korea, Cuba Clinch One Gold Medal Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Host China, Korea, Cuba Clinch One Gold Medal Each on 1st Day of World Taekwondo Championships 19 May 2007 Host China, Korea and Cuba won one gold medal each on the first day of the 2007 Beijing WTF World Taekwondo Championships at the Changping Gymnasium in northern Beijing, China, on May 18, 2007. On the overall medal tally, Cuba and Korea topped others with one gold and one bronze each, followed by China with one gold. Chinese Taipei came next with one silver and one bronze, while Thailand and Iran clinched one silver each. The United States and Spain grabbed one bronze medal each on the first of the five-day World Taekwondo Championships, which came one year before the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games. In the women's finweight final match, China's Wu Jingyu easily beat Thailand's Yaowapa Boorapolchai to earn her country the gold medal. The bronze went to Chinese Taipei's Yang Shu-chun and the United States' Charlotte Craig in the division. Korea's Jung Jin-hee found no difficulty winning the gold medal in the women's bantamweight class, as she defeated Chinese Taipei's Tseng Yi-hsuan in the women's bantamweight final. Cuban Yaimara Rosario Ferrer and Spanish Andrea Rica shared the bronze in the category. In the men's featherweight final, Cuba's Gessler Viera Abreu brushed aside a stiff challenge from Iranian Omid Gholam Zadeh Asl to clinch the gold medal. The bronze went to Korean Song Myeong-seob and the Netherlands' Dennis Bekkers. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 07:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] from another group: won hwa do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net got this from another group...anyone heard of or practice this art? Jye Came across this martial art named Won Hwa Do yesterday whilst I was in the park, what the #@$% is it man, its awful, Id never heard of it before. I was training in my usual spot when some guy comes and asks what I was doing, I told him Xing Yi and then he preceds to tell me that Xing Yi is useless compared to Won Hwa Do which is far more advanced. I was with one of my students who started to laugh so the guy then goes and gives the strangest demo I have ever seen, looked like a cobination of bad bagua and karate. He asked me to spar which I did fo about thirty seconds, it was just embarrassing, he was useless so I changed it to pushing hands which was less likely to get him injured. He was crap at that too. Why have I never come across any good korean martial arts? They are big in Britain but always $#@! , is the situation any different anywhere else? Even the korean tae kwan do team on TV looked $#@% and you would have thought they got good training. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:04:01 -0500 From: "Josh Nyberg" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Purpose of Blocks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All of this talk of improvisation makes me think of playing jazz. I used to play trumpet in jazz bands in high school as well as earlier in my college career. I see a lot of similarities between martial arts and jazz. When you start out learning to play an instrument in a school band or even on your own you start with how to even make a noise, move on to basic scales, then maybe simple exercises, and after awhile some simple songs. By this point you are probably playing in some sort of concert band where you're playing simple songs with other people, then after awhile you start playing more complicated songs. After lots of practice and playing hours you may find yourself in a jazz band where you're still using all of the basics you learned previously but you also have to take those basics and on occasion improv solos. Solos still have form and structure, but for the most part its just you riffing. However even though you're doing youre own thing a good soloist will feed off of what the other musicians are doing around them and make their solo fit. Now martial arts from what I've seen are the same, you start out the learning the simplest basics on your own, etiquette, basic falls, maybe some very simple technique. Then you start working with others in class, learning some more complicated basics and getting an understanding for how things fit together. After while you may even be able to start improvising but if you don't have a strong base to work from and appreciation for whats going on around you it will work about as well as a jazz soloist with no idea what key they are playing in. Also in martial arts as well as jazz when you watch a true master perform they can impress by doing the simplest technique perfectly as well by improvising something you didn't think possible. Josh --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 08:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Purpose of Blocks To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'll tell you another place where being able to improvise comes in handy. I used to work in a comedy club, and the best comedians that I saw were the ones who could improvise when being heckled. Basically, in the club alcohol was served, and when some people got drunk, they started running their mouth. Now a good comedian could take what the people said and come up with something slick to say that would be funny, and embarass the person talking, and then they'd return to their material and/or incorporate it into their material. Now I have seen some comedians who had material prepared and if someone gave them a hard time, it would mess them all up because they couldn't improvise. Jye Josh Nyberg wrote: All of this talk of improvisation makes me think of playing jazz. I used to play trumpet in jazz bands in high school as well as earlier in my college career. I see a lot of similarities between martial arts and jazz. When you start out learning to play an instrument in a school band or even on your own you start with how to even make a noise, move on to basic scales, then maybe simple exercises, and after awhile some simple songs. By this point you are probably playing in some sort of concert band where you're playing simple songs with other people, then after awhile you start playing more complicated songs. After lots of practice and playing hours you may find yourself in a jazz band where you're still using all of the basics you learned previously but you also have to take those basics and on occasion improv solos. Solos still have form and structure, but for the most part its just you riffing. However even though you're doing youre own thing a good soloist will feed off of what the other musicians are doing around them and make their solo fit. Now martial arts from what I've seen are the same, you start out the learning the simplest basics on your own, etiquette, basic falls, maybe some very simple technique. Then you start working with others in class, learning some more complicated basics and getting an understanding for how things fit together. After while you may even be able to start improvising but if you don't have a strong base to work from and appreciation for whats going on around you it will work about as well as a jazz soloist with no idea what key they are playing in. Also in martial arts as well as jazz when you watch a true master perform they can impress by doing the simplest technique perfectly as well by improvising something you didn't think possible. Josh _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Purpose of Blocks Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 15:18:22 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That's a great comparison..... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Josh Nyberg" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Purpose of Blocks >Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:04:01 -0500 > >All of this talk of improvisation makes me think of playing jazz. I used to >play trumpet in jazz bands in high school as well as earlier in my college >career. I see a lot of similarities between martial arts and jazz. When you >start out learning to play an instrument in a school band or even on your >own you start with how to even make a noise, move on to basic scales, then >maybe simple exercises, and after awhile some simple songs. By this point >you are probably playing in some sort of concert band where you're playing >simple songs with other people, then after awhile you start playing more >complicated songs. After lots of practice and playing hours you may find >yourself in a jazz band where you're still using all of the basics you >learned previously but you also have to take those basics and on occasion >improv solos. Solos still have form and structure, but for the most part >its >just you riffing. However even though you're doing youre own thing a good >soloist will feed off of what the other musicians are doing around them and >make their solo fit. > >Now martial arts from what I've seen are the same, you start out the >learning the simplest basics on your own, etiquette, basic falls, maybe >some >very simple technique. Then you start working with others in class, >learning >some more complicated basics and getting an understanding for how things >fit >together. After while you may even be able to start improvising but if you >don't have a strong base to work from and appreciation for whats going on >around you it will work about as well as a jazz soloist with no idea what >key they are playing in. Also in martial arts as well as jazz when you >watch >a true master perform they can impress by doing the simplest technique >perfectly as well by improvising something you didn't think possible. > > >Josh >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 --__--__-- Message: 6 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:55:26 -0400 From: tkdsid@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Purposeful blocks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While blocks prevent strikes and avoid your opponent scoring points, nothing does more good than an awesome low block to the side of the knee to end a fight. It's our equivalent to leg kicks done in karate. Sid ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] New rules To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Someone needs to whip up a reality show where they put different TKD systems against each other...lol. olympic style versus other styles...lol and see which will come out on top. Jye Joseph Cheavens wrote: They still need to allow punches to the head or it will remain boring and unrealistic. Joe Cheavens Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 hot CTA = Join Yahoo!'s user panel --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:39:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Purposeful blocks To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net a low block to the side of the knee? while the opponent is standing, or when they kick? Jye tkdsid@aol.com wrote: While blocks prevent strikes and avoid your opponent scoring points, nothing does more good than an awesome low block to the side of the knee to end a fight. It's our equivalent to leg kicks done in karate. Sid ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip: taekkyon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvo2dgWATH8&mode=related&search= --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:24:06 -0700 From: "Martial Arts Tournaments" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] California State TKD Chip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net California State TKD Chip Saturday, June 23 Cerritos College 11110 Alondra Blvd Norwalk, CA 90650 Register online @ http://www.cutkda.com Hosted by: Kwon Sung Choi Sanctioned by: California Unified Taekwondo Assoc Directed by: Yushen Lai For more info: 1.310.212.6010 or masterlai@cutkda.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest