Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:58:32 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #181 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hapkido in Villa Rico Georgia (blueknightpi@att.net) 2. Re: belt colors (Jye nigma) 3. Re: The Sells in Villa Rica Georgia (Jye nigma) 4. TKD TEAM FOUND :( (Junkredmailbox@cs.com) 5. Dr. Kano (J R Hilland) 6. history of belt usage (Mike Donahoo) 7. ATA in Little Rock (Martial Arts Tournaments) 8. Re: Dr. Kano (rick.aodenkou@verizon.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: blueknightpi@att.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:18:14 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido in Villa Rico Georgia Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just for the education involved I went through his site. The schoolowner in question makes no claims about any Hapkido experience. There is no mention of Ha[pkido in his or anyone else's credentials, class schedules, programs. The word Hapkido only shows up in regards to itmes for sale in the Martail Arts Supply section under DVD's where he has discs for sale by GM Myung Ynng Kim and GM Chang Soo Lee and under Books where he sells Master Azhakh's materials. So one is left to wonder how many Combat hapkido semianrs he might have attended since he doesn't even mention Mr. Pelligrini or Combat Hapkido on his web site. http://www.intoarts.net/ Material below condensed to preserve bandwidth: Vic Cushing > > After talking with him he saw a WHA crest I was wearing on a shirt and > stated that he had heard i had a little MA experience (After 30 years I feel > like this was disrespectful). He said they practiced Hapkido as well but I > found out it was Combat Hapkido and I wont even go there. I said nothing of > Pellagrini and showed no disrespect. > > Greg Hindley > Douglasville, GA --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:15:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] belt colors To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net sorry but a camo belt is corny...lol. no offense. That's like a camo ninjutsu suit. Jye MSKBEvans@aol.com wrote: <<<<...and how about the camouflage belt? :-)>>>>> Dunno never seen one Ever since I started using camo belt my attendance has fallen way off too. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:24:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] The Sells in Villa Rica Georgia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That story, for me, sounds like you went to a HUGE McDojang! I'd say don't sweat the guy saying you had a little experience of what ever he said. When someone asks me, I tell them I know a little something something, but the devil is in the details. Should have crossed hands with him to see what he had (or thought he had). The whole pay for an autograph....that's BS. If you don't have to pay for one for celebs, then there's no way I would pay for one for a MA person. HOWEVER; when celebs have book signings or cd releases, people are required to purchase the product to get it signed. It is a 2 way thing, help sell the celebs product and you get an autograph. But why in the world would someone not involved in a school want someone's curriculum book. I would have told him to his face that was BS. Jye The Hindley's wrote: Many times I have went to other schools visiting or going to seminars featuring prominent martial artists only to receive the graciousness of masters and students spreading the camaraderie of Budo. Taking the time to speak to you and posing for photos and giving autographs. So after hearing that Grandmaster Edward sell and his wife Master Brenda Sell were to be in our little town of Villa Rica Georgia for a day of fun and MA I wanted to take my two sons to see some pillars of the MA community. What a dissapointment it was for me and my two youg men. It was more like a circus. Selling hot dogs and drinks, face painting and a raffel, ect, ect, not to take away from this school owner his ability to recoup the costs of bringing the Sell's to GA but for him to try to recruit us for his school after knowing we were practicing MA was not the way I have witnessed at other events. With over 100 people there at 40 bucks a shot to get an autograph or picture seems a little over the top. Nothng about costing money. It was a grand new opening. Look at the flyer: http://www.intoarts.net/ The school was more like a diploma mill and the Master more like a businessman. Another McDojang After talking with him he saw a WHA crest I was wearing on a shirt and stated that he had heard i had a little MA experience (After 30 years I feel like this was disrespectful). He said they practiced Hapkido as well but I found out it was Combat Hapkido and I wont even go there. I said nothing of Pellagrini and showed no disrespect. I told him that after years of following the Sells career that I wanted my sons to see them and maybe get a photo and autograph on an old issue of TKD times featureing the Sell's. He said no problem but we would have to purchase their curriculum manual for $40 and they would hapily autograph it and give a photo opp. I was flaberghasted. Never have I been charged for something like this. Come to find out that Edward Sell would not be there anyway. We immediatly left after I asked my sons how they felt about this. They were truely disapointed as was I. My son said would you charge someone for your autograph dad. They knew the answer. Was wondering if anyone has been in this situation or your comments on the event and structure. Greg Hindley Douglasville, GA _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Junkredmailbox@cs.com Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:30:51 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD TEAM FOUND :( Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The decomposed bodies of at least 13 martial arts experts have been found more than a year after they were kidnapped in an al-Qaeda stronghold west of Baghdad, local officials and family members said... http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21918491-1702,00.html --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:28:09 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dr. Kano Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not necessarily true, as Dr. Kano really did not invent the kyu/dan system. When Jigoro Kano developed judo he didn't have to look far to come up with the ranking system. He simply borrowed the system in use at the Japanese public schools where belts were used by different athletic departments, most notably for ranking swimmers. <<<...Before Jigoro Kano invented Judo, there was no kyu/dan ranking system...>>> Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Donahoo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] history of belt usage Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is a general question for all the digest members. I was reading the posts on the use of belts and colors and there history. I found it all very interesting, but I have some questions. First of all, where did everyone get their information? Was it passed down from an instructor or was it researched? The reason I am asking is because I find the history of martial arts whether it is belts, philosophy, technique, or people and events very interesting and I am always looking for a good book to add to my library. I am not in a position to tap my instructor for lots of this info because he simply doesn't have it. This is through no fault of his own, he is just younger and doesn't have 20+ years of experience or anyone legitimate around to learn from. Any suggestions for reading material would be appreciated! In devotion to the art, Mike Donahoo ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:24:01 -0700 From: "Martial Arts Tournaments" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ATA in Little Rock Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Little Rock Welcomes ATA World Championships Scott Munsell Little Rock - Between 20,000 and 30,000 people are expected to flock to Little Rock this week for the annual American Taekwondo Association World Championships. The ATA officially kicked off the annual week long celebration Monday at the Statehouse Convention Center. It's the largest convention in the Little Rock area this year, and the event draws in visitors from around the world. Today martial arts enthusiasts began arriving for seminars, training, and tournament action. (Taekwon Lee, ATA) "If you don't know what ATA is all about, you'll learn if you come down here because ATA is all about respect and self control and self esteemand all these positive life changing elements in your life. It's not just martial arts, it's all about life." The opening ceremonies will be held Friday night at Alltel Arena at 7:00 p.m. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:16:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Dr. Kano To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: J R Hilland The Kyu/Dan system goes back a bit farther, in the 17th century Dosaku (1645-1702) a grand master of the board game “Go” introduced the kyu/dan system as a method of handicapping the game. Rick Clark >Not necessarily true, as Dr. Kano really did not invent the kyu/dan system. >When Jigoro Kano developed judo he didn't have to look far to come up with >the ranking system. He simply borrowed the system in use at the Japanese >public schools where belts were used by different athletic departments, most >notably for ranking swimmers. > ><<<...Before Jigoro Kano invented Judo, there was no kyu/dan ranking >system...>>> > >Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND >www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest