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Re: Re: Loose ends (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:48:42 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Loose ends Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Belt systems: My award goes to Tiger Schulman. He uses white, yellow, orange, orange/green, green, green/blue, purple, red, brown, black with white stripe and black. This is compounded by stripes, tips etc. However, he produces one of the best, most equipped dojangs, with comprehensive fitness and adapted Kyokushin training I've ever seen. American arts: Yes indeed there are numerous adaptations and improvements in Asian arts to be sure. No uniquely American art has taken hold yet. To the writer here that wondered how we could be as good as the Asians...I submit this. We have a huge body of knowledge on applied kinesiology, exercise science, scientists that practice martial arts and superior training equipment. How can we be as good as the Asians? HOW can we not be better???? My emphasis on Americans being taller and stronger: Why not emphasize that? Asian martial arts were specifically designed for Asians weren't they? For the time being at least, mixed martial arts serves as an American entity with nothing really new except the novel ways techniques are integrated. Sid ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 04:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [The_Dojang] Selection Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Olympic dreams at stake USA Taekwondo selection process a weighty issue for area women David Barron Houston Chronicle In a perfect world, Diana Lopez of Sugar Land and Nia Abdallah of Houston would march next year into Beijing's National Stadium as fellow members of the United States taekwondo team for the 2008 Olympic Games. Perfection, however, is a moving target for USA Taekwondo, the sport's national governing body. And so either Lopez, a former world champion, or Abdallah, a 2004 Olympic silver medalist — or, perhaps, both — will be watching the Olympics from the sidelines next summer. "We wanted to devise a system that would give a chance to have our best athletes (in the Olympics)," said David Askinas, the federation's CEO. "We thought we had that system. But the best-laid plans often don't work out." The problem stems in part from taekwondo's limited role in the Olympics, which compresses the traditional eight weight classes for men and women to four each. Each country can enter four athletes — two men, two women — and must qualify for entry spots in a series of world tournaments that will begin later this year. Point system in place To pick its four weight classes, USA Taekwondo devised a system in which each class received points based on its performance in the 2004 Olympics and 2005 and 2007 world championships. On the men's side, the deck was stacked. The divisions featuring Diana Lopez's older siblings Steven, a two-time Olympic gold medalist and now a four-time world champion, and Mark, a 2005 world gold medalist, were sure to qualify and, in fact, have done so. On the women's side, though, there was a catch. After beating Diana Lopez at the 2004 Olympic trials, then winning an Olympic silver medal in bantam/feather, Abdallah moved to the light/welterweight class. Her points from the 2004 Olympics, though, remained in bantam/feather. That gave that division a virtually insurmountable lead in the U.S. selection process, especially after Diana Lopez won the 2005 world championship. For Abdallah to clinch the second spot in the U.S. qualifying process for the light/welter class, she needed to advance to the gold medal match at the 2007 world championships. She fell one win short, settling for a bronze medal. And when Charlotte Craig also won a bronze at worlds in the finweight division, those points, plus the finweight bronze won by Mandy Meloon of Sugar Land at the 2005 worlds, gave the second women's spot to the fin/flyweight division. The bottom line is that Abdallah will have to drop 10 pounds, from 135 to 125, to return to the bantam/feather division and another possible showdown with Diana Lopez during the Aug. 23-25 Olympic trials in Colorado Springs, Colo. "I'm not mad that it happened this way," Abdallah said. "It was my fault. If I had done better than third (at worlds), we wouldn't be having this conversation." Abdallah has had a tumultuous, albeit rewarding, three years. She gave birth to a daughter, Lela, who will be 2 years old in August, and trained in California while Lela lived with Abdallah's parents, Joseph and Rhonda Duhart, in Houston. More time in Houston Last week, Abdallah returned to Houston and said she may remain here to train and spend time with her daughter. "I haven't been able to gain weight recently to save my life, so I won't have quite so much to lose," Abdallah, 23, said. "In 2004, I started off at about 140 pounds (before dropping to 125). Now I'm older, and I've been eating better." Diana Lopez said she is ready for a rematch with Abdallah at the Olympic trials, adding, "We're both physically strong women, and it should be a good fight. Three years have gone by, and I'm ready for this." Winners at the trials advance to the world Olympic qualifier in September in England. If they medal, they qualify themselves and their weight class for the Olympics. If they fail to medal, they will compete at the Pan American qualifier in December, where they can qualify the weight class, but not themselves. In that case, a final tournament will be held in April 2008 to pick the Olympic team member. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Robert Wood" Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:16:20 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Cubit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jay OConner Wrote; Right....how much is a cubit A cubit was a unit of measure. The length was said to by from the kings elbow to the tip of his middle finger. So depending to the king the length would very. Most scholars acknowledge that a cubit would be approximately 18 inches in length. iHs, Rob Wood IHS, Robert L. Wood, I am careful not to confuse excellence with perfection. Excellence I can reach for; perfection is Gods business. Michael J. Fox ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Discuss martial arts & Christianity at http://www.karateforchrist.com Get your own emal service at ZZN.COM. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Goju "technically" an American art? (was Re: American versions of kempo etc.) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net sidtkd@aol.com said: > The point is well taken that there are Asian arts that have been > significantly modified. After all, Goju Ryu is technically an American > art. Goju Ryu is technically American? How so? Pax, Chris Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, There's always laughter and good red wine. At least I've always found it so. Benedicamus Domino! -Hilaire Belloc ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Loose ends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I had a few friends that went to a Tiger Schulmans karate dojo. They could fight, but they lacked the self control and other things promoted by martial arts. I never knew what system of karate TS was it's nice to know now. Jye sidtkd@aol.com wrote: Belt systems: My award goes to Tiger Schulman. He uses white, yellow, orange, orange/green, green, green/blue, purple, red, brown, black with white stripe and black. This is compounded by stripes, tips etc. However, he produces one of the best, most equipped dojangs, with comprehensive fitness and adapted Kyokushin training I've ever seen. American arts: Yes indeed there are numerous adaptations and improvements in Asian arts to be sure. No uniquely American art has taken hold yet. To the writer here that wondered how we could be as good as the Asians...I submit this. We have a huge body of knowledge on applied kinesiology, exercise science, scientists that practice martial arts and superior training equipment. How can we be as good as the Asians? HOW can we not be better???? My emphasis on Americans being taller and stronger: Why not emphasize that? Asian martial arts were specifically designed for Asians weren't they? For the time being at least, mixed martial arts serves as an American entity with nothing really new except the novel ways techniques are integrated. Sid ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Fun 4th To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net you guys need to stop hoggin' the rain clouds....some places are in a drought ya know...lol. happy 4th and be safe. Jye Joseph Cheavens wrote: Sunny New England, eh? Down here in Texas, we're bracing for more rain and likely flooding. --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:44:35 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Several Things Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First Ray is right about the floor of the Moo Duk Kwan headquarters being small. However I have seen many more than 8 train there when HC Hwang was teaching. It was very crowded and the support poles in the middle of the room dont help. second--Congrats to the guys down in Austin at the Relson Gracie school on winning the fights in Luffkin Sat. I don't know them but I am sure if they train a Gracie school that there ground work is good, and I know how much goes into winning a fight in the cage. Third--The 14th is our cage fights at battlecage360 held in Louisiana at the Harrahs Casino there are 15 fights on the card. I have two fighting from my school. One is wanting to go pro, so maybe I will get to meet Joe soon at some event. Check out www.battlecage360.com for details or ticket info. Last-- i will be leaving for California next month. I plan to stay in LA and train at the Gracie Headquaters. I expect to visit with Royce. I will ask him about this roid use. He is an open guy and will not mind me asking. After 4 days at the Gracie academy I will be going down to San Diego to participate in the Moo Duk Kwan National Tournament. and maybe get in some Beach time I know you are all jealous JC _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:52:46 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Central Dojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net RE: "That is approaching the max you can get on that floor. Lovely floor, but rather small." If this is the same place I visited, the concrete support posts in the middle of the floor, provided great "creative" training. I have similar posts in my "Barn" studio. I have covered them with padding and vinyl and people still "run" into them occasionally. This has been a good posting and has brought back some fond memories. Thanks to all. Curt McCauley Chief Instructor Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- Message: 9 From: James O'Connor Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cubit Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:59:02 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Jul 4, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Robert Wood wrote: > Jay OConner Wrote; Right....how much is a cubit > > A cubit was a unit of measure. The length was said to by from the > kings > elbow to the tip of his middle finger. So depending to the king the > length would very. Most scholars acknowledge that a cubit would be > approximately 18 inches in length. > > iHs, > > Rob Wood > I know, but more particularly I was quoting from an old Bill Cosby routine about a conversation between Noah and God, in which Noah is... less than enthusiastic Take care, --__--__-- Message: 10 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [The_Dojang] wtf addrs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net New WTF e-mail Addresses Beginning from July 2, 2007, the World Taekwondo Federation will be using the following new e-mail addresses: General Inquiry: wtf@wtf.org General Affairs Division: general@wtf.org Marketing Division: marketing@wtf.org Planning and Finance Division: intl@wtf.org Public Relations Division: pr@wtf.org Referee Division: referee@wtf.org Sport Division: sport@wtf.org For the month of July, e-mails sent to the “@unitel.co.kr” domain will still be forwarded to the new addresses. Please take note, however, that the WTF will no longer use the “@unitel.co.kr” domain after the month of July 2007. The creation of an “@wtf.org” domain was one of the recommendations stipulated in the 188-page Reform Report, which was developed in March 2005 by the Reform Committee. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:04:55 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:dojang in KC KS Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 7/4/2007 6:13:11 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: I'm looking for a Song Moo Kwan school in Kansas City, KS for a student moving home after attending college in Minnesota. We're more non-WTF and don't use the Taegueks. We're not a competitive but do point sparring (mostly NASKA oriented) and use the Chungs Bong poomse. Please forward any suggestions to me off the list. Thanks, Rob Frankovich ------------------------ hi rob, first, i'd recommend master john brown of _www.aspirefitness.com_ (http://www.aspirefitness.com) or 913 648 6868 however, since youre not wtf tkd (although he does both the palgwe's and taegueks) i'd recommend contacting him for a local recommendation in the KC area. master brown is one of my instructors and a great guy. thanks and take care, melinda Melinda Kidder, Owner Chajonshim Martial Arts & Supply Supply: _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 School: _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.445.6636 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cubit Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:20:51 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I grew up on Bill Cosby, he is great. He had a great bit on karate, where he beat his hands in class to look like his feet. Then he walked down the street with his hands in his pockets, when attacked he would pull his hands out of his pockets. If the karate chop missed, the smell would kill them. Hope everyone's 4th was a safe one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James O'Connor" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cubit > On Jul 4, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Robert Wood wrote: > >> Jay O'Conner Wrote; Right....how much is a cubit >> >> A cubit was a unit of measure. The length was said to by from the >> king's >> elbow to the tip of his middle finger. So depending to the king the >> length would very. Most scholars acknowledge that a cubit would be >> approximately 18 inches in length. >> >> iHs, >> >> Rob Wood >> > > I know, but more particularly I was quoting from an old Bill Cosby > routine about a conversation between Noah and God, in which Noah is... > less than enthusiastic > > Take care, > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Several Things Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:59:39 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JC, Good luck to you and your guys down in L.A. at the Battlecage. In case you (or anyone else on the DD) are interested, here are a couple of links to Youtube for the video of our two fighters. Jason Carr is in the blue trunks on the right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O8M-FS9oAE Ryan Larson is in the black trunks on the right doing a little prayer before the fight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE5dmYFwWUM Joe Cheavens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Missed the show? Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. --__--__-- Message: 14 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Loose ends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:06:30 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Goodmorning to all, My mind is still in a fog this morning. Would you please clarify your previous post? Was it your friends that could fight but lacked self control, or the Tiger Schulmans karate folks? Curiously yours, Victor kingjye@yahoo.com 07/04/2007 12:06 To PM the_dojang@martialartsresource.net cc Please respond to Subject the_dojang@martia Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Loose ends lartsresource.net I had a few friends that went to a Tiger Schulmans karate dojo. They could fight, but they lacked the self control and other things promoted by martial arts. I never knew what system of karate TS was it's nice to know now. Jye sidtkd@aol.com wrote: Belt systems: My award goes to Tiger Schulman. He uses white, yellow, orange, orange/green, green, green/blue, purple, red, brown, black with white stripe and black. This is compounded by stripes, tips etc. However, he produces one of the best, most equipped dojangs, with comprehensive fitness and adapted Kyokushin training I've ever seen. American arts: Yes indeed there are numerous adaptations and improvements in Asian arts to be sure. No uniquely American art has taken hold yet. To the writer here that wondered how we could be as good as the Asians...I submit this. We have a huge body of knowledge on applied kinesiology, exercise science, scientists that practice martial arts and superior training equipment. How can we be as good as the Asians? HOW can we not be better???? My emphasis on Americans being taller and stronger: Why not emphasize that? Asian martial arts were specifically designed for Asians weren't they? For the time being at least, mixed martial arts serves as an American entity with nothing really new except the novel ways techniques are integrated. Sid ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! 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