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Re: soft motion hapkido (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:12:22 -0400 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] History of bahng mahng ee (Double sticks) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings to all! I just have few questions; does anybody know the history of bahng mahng ee or double stick form? The person who introduced the curriculum to ATA? Does it have transitional applications? Thanks in advance. Clint --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ko-Online.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:21:14 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cubit memories Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "You want me to build a what?  Riiiight......."  Thanks for the reminder. Those were some great albums.  Now ask who remembers what an "album" is.   Jay O’Conner Wrote; Right....how much is a cubit A cubit was a unit of measure. The length was said to by from the king’s elbow to the tip of his middle finger. So depending to the king the length would very. Most scholars acknowledge that a cubit would be approximately 18 inches in length. Jim Grimestad www.rrtkd.com ko-online.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "x x" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Goju Ryu Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 00:19:54 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sid If Peter Urban was stationed in Formosa during WWII he must have lied about his age. He was born in 1935. Makoto >From: sidtkd@aol.com >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Goju Ryu >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:36:01 -0400 > >During World War II Peter Urban was stationed initially in Formosa >(Taiwaan). He there met Mas Oyama and trained with him until he was ready >to test for black belt. There was a falling out and Mas Oyama refused to >give Peter Urban a black belt. Urban returned to the states and opened the >first Goju Ryu school patterned initially after Kyokushin Kai, but later >changed the forms and techniques a great deal. Peter Urban, an American >reshaped his art and made himself 10th dan. He created a large network that >has survived his death. He left quite a few 10th dans to carry on his work. >Thus, Goju Ryu, an Asian inspired art was uniquely American. > >Sid >________________________________________________________________________ >AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free >from AOL at AOL.com. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 7:14:14 -0500 From: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Goju-Ryu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net [quote] During World War II Peter Urban was stationed initially in Formosa (Taiwaan). He there met Mas Oyama and trained with him until he was ready to test for black belt. There was a falling out and Mas Oyama refused to give Peter Urban a black belt. Urban returned to the states and opened the first Goju Ryu school patterned initially after Kyokushin Kai, but later changed the forms and techniques a great deal. Peter Urban, an American reshaped his art and made himself 10th dan. He created a large network that has survived his death. He left quite a few 10th dans to carry on his work. Thus, Goju Ryu, an Asian inspired art was uniquely American. [/quote] I thought Urban had been a student of Gogen Yamaguchi of Japanese Goju-Ryu fame, not Mas Oyama. It's true enough that the Goju that stems from Urban is very different from JKF Goju which in turn is different from the various Okinawan Goju ryu-ha, but the statement should be fully qualified to refer exactly to Peter Urban's system. Plenty of Okinawan and Japanese Goju is taught and practiced in the US and their people would be more than displeased to hear their art described as American. LOL. Alex --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Goju Ryu Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:54:40 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How was an American stationed in a Japanese colony during WWII? Do you mean after WWII? Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sidtkd@aol.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Goju Ryu Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:36:01 -0400 During World War II Peter Urban was stationed initially in Formosa (Taiwaan). He there met Mas Oyama and trained with him until he was ready to test for black belt. There was a falling out and Mas Oyama refused to give Peter Urban a black belt. Urban returned to the states and opened the first Goju Ryu school patterned initially after Kyokushin Kai, but later changed the forms and techniques a great deal. Peter Urban, an American reshaped his art and made himself 10th dan. He created a large network that has survived his death. He left quite a few 10th dans to carry on his work. Thus, Goju Ryu, an Asian inspired art was uniquely American. Sid ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what you’re getting into…before you go there --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Pro Cage Fights Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:58:40 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not sure, I'd have to ask Phil. TXMMA.com seems to be a pretty good source for listing all the upcoming fights. Adrenaline Sports was the sponsor of these last fights in Lufkin.  Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Pro Cage Fights Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:43:07 -0500 Hey Joe I have a guy that is fighting in Battle Cage360 but wants to go pro. When is the next pro event down in Lufkin area. JC _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Missed the show?  Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Walton Guthrie" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Bill Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:14:11 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If you remember Bill's son was murdered. Perhaps because of his father's celebrity (although that's speculation his appearance of wealth certainly helped to make him a target). That would have to have an effect on the way Bill views society and his place in it. Bill's celebrity also makes him much more of a unique target than us more "normal" types. Walton Guthrie ----- Original Message ----- > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:20:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) > Subject: [The_Dojang] Bill > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I too liked Bill Cosby until I heard him talking about how he was special, > different... He had the right to carry a weapon, a handgun in his case, > to > protect himself because he was special, different... > > His point was that 'normal' people did not need to protect themselves. > Since > they were not special, different... no one wanted to hurt them. But since > he was so well known he had rights that others did not and should not > have. > > Since hearing that interview with my own ears my opinion of him has > greatly > changed. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > > > -- __--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang > > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com > Standard disclaimers apply. > Remember September 11. > > > End of The_Dojang Digest --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:40:43 -0400 (EDT) From: sfb@iaw.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Re: Goju Ryu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My understanding is that Kanryo Higashionna from Okinawa is the 'father' of Goju, his student Chojun Miyagi also from Okinawa coined the name Goju (and his fist was the main "logo"). The time of the style naming is estimated to be 1927-1930 and officially registered in 1933. Goju was originally Okinawan with heavy influence from China. Gogen Yamaguchi enters the picture later, in 1931. www.gojuru.net has lots of information. Scott --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "C. Bonner" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:30:54 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Goju Ryu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- Huh?? G.M. Urban trained in Tokyo with Richard Kim and then Gogen(the cat)Yamaguchi in Japanese/Okinawan Goju ryu.Starting his own school back in the states in "59". After reaching 4th, or 5th dan in Japanese Goju he was denied promotion any higher(for political reasons) and thus started U.S.A.( American) Goju Ryu. Hope this helps, Clint   >Message: 1 >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:36:01 -0400 >From: sidtkd@aol.com >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Goju Ryu >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >During World War II Peter Urban was stationed initially in Formosa (Taiwaan). He there met Mas Oyama and trained with him until he was ready to test for black belt. There was a falling out and Mas Oyama refused to give Peter Urban a black belt. Urban returned to the states and opened the first Goju Ryu school patterned initially after Kyokushin Kai, but later changed the forms and techniques a great deal. Peter Urban, an American reshaped his art and made himself 10th dan. He created a large network that has survived his death. He left quite a few 10th dans to carry on his work. Thus, Goju Ryu, an Asian inspired art was uniquely American. > >Sid ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Tabaczynski To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] soft motion hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I am located in Busan, Korea. I was interested in learning something like Aikido but it seems that only some forms of Hapkido here in Korea have a similar philosophy. From what I read SinMoo Hapkido is like that. But I don't see that this is available here in Busan. Does anyone know how I can tell which schools are like that. I'm interested more in the philosophy than in 'hard' combat. I have observed a class in my local Hapkido school but the teacher's background is the military. Could he adopt his teaching style to me if I told him my interest, as he seems to be doing both, the soft and the hard stuff. Many thanks, Tom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html --__--__-- Message: 11 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Bill To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > If you remember Bill's son was murdered. Perhaps because of his father's > celebrity (although that's speculation his appearance of wealth certainly > helped to make him a target). That would have to have an effect on the way > Bill views society and his place in it. Bill's celebrity also makes him > much more of a unique target than us more "normal" types. Bill's son Ennis was murdered about 10 years ago. Bill claimed 'special privledge' perhaps 10 years prior to that. This is a fairly common theme with those that support gun control. They frequently feel that -others- should not be permitted access to firearms, but those laws should not apply to them, since they are special. It smacks of racism (yes, even for Bill) and a class society. imho Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:47:44 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [The_Dojang] back in CA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry for the show list the past week. We're back home in sunny California again, so things should be returning to normal. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:51:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: Jyesluv@hotmail.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clips: 52 blocks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 52 blocks clips: 52 youth training- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rRHKUTootA&mode=related&search= the beginning stage- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRB2ANHW7HU&NR=1 gotta start somewhere- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX5p_6eG8bo&mode=related&search= official 52 hand blocks documentary- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Il2-705YM&mode=related&search= 52 blocks follow the leader- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmrp1scHTvE&mode=related&search= blood culture and 52 blocks- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yITYP2VoRI0&mode=related&search= 52 hand blocks fitness program- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainEAmQ1PkY&mode=related&search= --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] soft motion hapkido Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:05:56 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tom, Sin Moo Hapkido IMO would not be a good style of HKD for you to take on if you are mainly interested in the philosophy end of things...SMHKD is first and foremost based in some very hard core physical training techniques that have a strong military and self defense foundation to them and then the meditation , philosopy, way of living are combined....whenever we train with Doju Nim Ji Han Jae the practice is quite hardcore and very physical...the philosophy is paramount but it is a working, active philosophy done during some hardcore physical training...in my practice, teaching, and understanding of Sin Moo HKD it is nothing even close to Aikido.....you might want to check out some International Hapkido Federation Dojangs, or some Hoi Jeon Moo Sool HKD Dojangs in Korea, these two arts are basically a mixture of HKD and Aikido and probably are more akin to what you are searching for...hope this helps.. Michael Tomlinson >From: Tom Tabaczynski >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] soft motion hapkido >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:55:50 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi all, >I am located in Busan, Korea. I was interested in learning something like >Aikido but it seems that only some forms of Hapkido here in Korea have a >similar philosophy. From what I read SinMoo Hapkido is like that. But I >don't see that this is available here in Busan. Does anyone know how I can >tell which schools are like that. I'm interested more in the philosophy >than in 'hard' combat. I have observed a class in my local Hapkido school >but the teacher's background is the military. Could he adopt his teaching >style to me if I told him my interest, as he seems to be doing both, the >soft and the hard stuff. >Many thanks, >Tom > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on >all webmail accounts. >http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now!  http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 --__--__-- Message: 15 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] soft motion hapkido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 13:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I am located in Busan, Korea. I was interested in learning something like > Aikido but it seems that only some forms of Hapkido here in Korea have a > similar philosophy. You might seek out Hankido. See the KMA FAQ at martialartsresource.com. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. 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