Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:58:29 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #214 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Viking Fighting Arts. (Jeremy Anderson) 2. Re: [Eskrima] Viking Fighting Arts. (Jared Dame) 3. Good TKD Video (Joseph Cheavens) 4. Black Belt Testing (Gordon Okerstrom) 5. Good TKD Video (Gordon Okerstrom) 6. Re: moo duk kwan (Vernon Noble) 7. Human Weapon (The_Dojang) 8. Re: moo duk kwan (Ray) 9. Re: Good TKD Video (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:59:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Anderson To: The Dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] Viking Fighting Arts. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anyone seen this before? Made me chuckle. Not that I'd *want* to face a Berzerker... http://www.vikingfighting.com/ Jeremy Anderson. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:44:46 -0600 From: "Jared Dame" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: "The Dojang" Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: [Eskrima] Viking Fighting Arts. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Nice ... I have respect for all fighting arts however I don't have endless training time and would not want to have to put armor on before combat. That goes back to my martial arts instructor stating right before a fight "Wait attacker I need to put my GI on ....45secs later.... ok now attack me" He always said this phrase when we would get a new student in the school that didn't understand why we practiced in normal clothing. It would be pretty fun watching someone attacking another with a battle axe!! J On 7/20/07, Jeremy Anderson wrote: > > Anyone seen this before? Made me chuckle. Not that I'd *want* to face a > Berzerker... > > http://www.vikingfighting.com/ > > Jeremy Anderson. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! > FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge. Daniel J. Boorstin (1914 - ) --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:55:27 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Good TKD Video Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Someone posted this on another forum a while back and I keep going back to watch it, as I think it is a good example of what I think good Tae Kwon Do should look like and along the lines of what I'd like to see (snow balls chance in Hades, I know) the WTF adopt as the rule set for competitions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qYRM7ZQiZo Here would be my modified rule set, which is largely based on how we sparred in the dojang where I started TKD and in the college club I helped start up. Techniques allowed: 1 all strikes above the belt 2 sweeps to the leg allowed as long as its from mid calf level down 3 3rd gup and up allowed to employ take downs, but it must be a clean takedown and clinches will be broken up within 3 seconds 4 punches and kicks allowed to the head 5 only closed fist strikes allowed Scoring: 1 One point for punches to the body or a clean takedown 2 Two points for a kick to the body or a punch to the head 3 Three points for a kick to the head Thoughts? Joe Cheavens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Missed the show?  Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:34:14 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Black Belt Testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We just had our semi-annual black belt last Saturday. It started with the black belt candidates arriving at 9:00 a.m. and turning in their essays on; what black belt means to them, scripting a curriculum that they would use from white to black belt if they were instructors and the take home, open book test on ethics and philosophy. After turning these in to the chief instructor, they put their running gear on and went outside our dojang and began the endurance portion of the test. We are in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma and it was 94 degrees Fahrenheit and it had rained the night before. It was humid. The candidates start running, basically laps around the block and the nearby park by the dojang. This year, it was my job to watch them and stop them before they passed out or threw up. After an hour, the other judges started arriving and reviewing the papers turned in by the candidates. They get a couple breaks from running for drinks, fruit and a towel and so on. When they all arrive back at the dojang, most of the judges are there and start their scrutiny of the candidates. (Attitude, manners, physical condition and over all conduct is scrutinized from the moment they get out of their car and their foot hits the parking lot.) We bring them in, they change into their dobalks and they start calisthenics; push ups, sit ups and the like in the rear of the dojang floor. The gup ranks arrive and we have our gup rank testing for the next few hours. When we get to brown belt, the black belt candidates are the sparring partners for the brown belts. After the brown belts finish, all the gup ranks go to the rear of the floor and sit to watch the black belt candidates test. They do all of their patterns (15) total for 1st Dan and recite all the meanings for each pattern. The judges, with the essays in front of them, quiz the candidates individually on their meanings, philosophy, purpose for some of the techniques and so on. Each candidate has included with their essays a 5 to 7 step self defense scenario and these are now performed for the crowd. There are usually a bunch of oohs and awes from the crowd here as some of the techniques are inventive and dynamic. (We let them ham it up and really play-act the scene.) I got to be an attacker on a few of the scenarios and had a blast dying, wincing in pain, falling or flying across the room. The candidates now spar, first with each other then with some of their seniors. We had one lady testing for 2nd Dan and on her first sparring with three of her seniors, she dislocated her left big toe (caught it on the flooring) we all knew when it happened, she finished the round, we taped it and she went on to finish the test without protest. What a trooper! She was spent and had a little trouble with one of her breaks, an elbow through only two boards. It took her 3 tries. Normally after the test, we go out to dinner (as the judges are hungry) LOL! The gup ranks are usually informed of their grade that day but the black belt candidates must wait until the next testing to find out. This last testing was different though. The chief instructor told us that the black belt candidates would find out at a picnic later that week. This was new for me. We usually have a formal banquet and present the new belt and certificate with chides and war stories like a celebrity roast. We had a pot luck picnic, played football and had a great time. This is why I posted this. The picnic was an informal, family event and made the friendship bonds stronger and built new ones. The chief instructor made a speech and announced the candidate ranks, introduced them with their new title as; Mister or Miss so and so. The new black belts each gave a speech and we all cheered for them. I liked the informal picnic idea for the summer testing. I look forward to the formal banquet in the winter though, because of the pomp and circumstance involved. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:26:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Good TKD Video Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Joseph Cheavens wrote: Looks pretty much like what we do. -But we only test in white uniforms. We took out spinning back fist in sparring, too blind, too many fore arms into the temple, nose, eye socket. Did I see a spin back kick that landed on the knee joint? We took out the straight line leg kicks; front, side and back kicks, in favor of the rotating "sweeping" kicks for use as a take down tool only. Other wise, looks the same. More or less. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:50:14 -0400 From: Vernon Noble To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] moo duk kwan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote: >> The Moo Duk Kwan is dead. >> > > While I can agree with the remainder of your sentiment, why would you claim > that the MDK is dead? > > In any of its various forms (a building, a dojang, a family, a fraternity, > or even as of late a political organization) it is very much alive. > Fragmented, yes, but alive. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > I hope so, Mr. Terry. Fragmented is a better word. I suppose I have become "dead" from all of the politics, or wounded, at least- lol. I will try to refrain from negativity. Thank you, sir. Vern Noble --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:22:42 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Human Weapon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Television Review The New York Times A Crash Course in Martial Arts With Multicultural Footnotes By MIKE HALE July 20, 2007 Reality television provides all sorts of pretexts for traveling to exotic places and gawking at quaint (but wise) local cultures: learning to cook, winning a race, saving wildlife, detailing cars, drinking beer. "Human Weapon," which has its premiere tonight on the History Channel, adds a new quest to that list: learning to bash someone's brains out. Actually, the mission of Jason Chambers and Bill Duff, the show's Mutt-and-Jeff stars — Mr. Chambers is a normal-size "mixed-martial-artist and professional fighter," Mr. Duff a quite large and bullet-headed "former professional football player and wrestler" — is to "fold back the rich historical and cultural layers" of various martial arts. In the first two episodes, which cover the Asian disciplines of muay thai and eskrima, that folding back involves donning workout clothes and shuttling around Thailand and the Philippines to absorb the lessons, and beatings, of various Yoda-like masters. This is all in preparation for a final bout in which one of the travelers tests his newly acquired skills against a local hero. The trend so far is a graceful loss to a much smaller and quieter opponent; we'll see if that holds when the show moves on to savate in France or krav maga in Israel. Along the way Mr. Chambers and Mr. Duff absorb history lessons — muay thai's role in ancient wars with the Burmese, the use of eskrima against Spanish and Japanese invaders — and soak up the local color. Apparently it's a rule that martial arts schools be near picturesque temples or waterfalls. (Though don't expect the local color to include the demure Asian beauties this sort of show usually lingers over: "Human Weapon" is all about sweaty, grimacing men.) As a travelogue and an exercise in improving foreign relations, the show is charming and, despite its subject matter, harmless. Mr. Chambers and Mr. Duff are ever respectful, marveling at their hosts' skills and at the beauty and traditions of the countries they visit. If you're not a martial-arts fan, though, things can bog down a bit during the long training sequences, when we're shown how to knee our opponent in the solar plexus or pummel him in the side with a metal rod. And in those scenes, the show's gee-whiz energy can edge away from comfortably multicultural topics and toward the universal desire to inflict pain. In one of Mr. Duff's more enthusiastic moments, he exclaims during an eskrima session, "It's the same injury-producing force as being hit in the temple by a hammer!" Like most hourlong reality shows, "Human Weapon" would be better at a half-hour; cut down the training sessions, but leave intact the attempt to practice eskrima throws on a water buffalo. (Final score: water buffalo 3, Filipino guy 0.) Still, it proves itself more useful than, say, "The Amazing Race" or "Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations." Those shows never taught us the skills to take out an Abu Sayyaf terrorist cell. HUMAN WEAPON History Channel, tonight at 10, Eastern and Pacific times; 9, Central time. Marc Etkind, executive producer for the History Channel; Steven Land and Zak Weisfeld, executive producers; produced by Jupiter Entertainment. WITH: Jason Chambers and Bill Duff. --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] moo duk kwan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:31:10 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I hope so, Mr. Terry. Fragmented is a better word. I suppose I have > become "dead" from all of the politics, or wounded, at least- lol. I > will try to refrain from negativity. Thank you, sir. Fragmented... that it is. Many know that it is a family and a fraternity. Others do not see it as such. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Good TKD Video To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:37:58 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Someone posted this on another forum a while back and I keep going back > to watch it, as I think it is a good example of what I think good Tae > Kwon Do should look like and along the lines of what I'd like to see > (snow balls chance in Hades, I know) the WTF adopt as the rule set for > competitions. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qYRM7ZQiZo Is it just me, or does it seem like the kicks used in their sparring don't have much 'intention' (aka power)? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest