Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:59:12 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #230 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re:Service contracts (sidtkd@aol.com) 2. Re: Time in getting a black belt (tkdsid@aol.com) 3. RE: service contracts (Thomas Gordon) 4. RE: Re:Service contracts (Thomas Gordon) 5. Re: RE: Seong sword (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:13:53 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Service contracts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At the outset, ANY contract for physical education may be voidable under some circumstances. First of which is doctor's certifcation that the clinet is physically unfit and unable to participate in the services rendered. There are a few other circumstances but that would take too long here. Second, who in their right mind would enter into such an arrangement that appears a financial strangelment to most people??? Sid ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:41:56 -0400 From: tkdsid@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Time in getting a black belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Geez, ???? What ook that parent so long in getting a black belt for?hre child? A year??? My God...it takes me 15 minutes to drive to the martial arts store and simply buy the belt! Please read my article in Taekwondo Times..."Anything Esily Gotten Isn't Worth Having!" Sincerely, Sid ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] service contracts Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:29:59 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "25.00 per month and no contracts at our school for 5 classes per week. We are SO in the dark ages out here" LOL! Mr. Weller, thank you for the reply. $25 a month - yikes! I have a receipt where I paid $35 a month in 1991. That's only about $55 in today's money. It's hard to run a full time professional facility on less than $89 a month. And every time someone balks at that, we'll typically find at least one or two of the situations below: 1 - They personally have supplemental income (like retirement, day job, inheritance, etc) and don't pay themselves a professional wage 2 - The school has supplemental income with seminars, organizational fees, subleased, etc 3 - They've owned the building for many years and don't pay themselves a reasonable rent. 4 - They've rented the building for a thousand years and the landlord would rather have the secure payment than chase a new tenant. 5 - Their building hasn't seen a fresh coat of paint or new light bulbs since the Carter years and the shag carpet is a throwback to the Flower Children time. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re:Service contracts Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:30:15 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "who in their right mind would enter into such an arrangement that appears a financial strangelment to most people???" $300 a month for three people isn't too bad really. Try gymnastics, dance, football, softball, basketball, golf, etc. Our daughter is in dance and it's about $70 a month PLUS all the extras (more extras in dance than we have in martial arts). For an older teen, color guard, gymnastics, cheer, or football is pretty expensive and very, very demanding for child AND the parents. No offense to those teaching the fore mentioned extracurricular actives, but a qualified martial art instructor is worth more and will give at least 10fold the benefits received from football or cheerleading. In regards to financial estrangement, the instructor has no business qualifying a customer who's established their own credit. (The people in this news article was doing EFT via credit card.) I've met some fairly common looking folks (jeans & t-shirt kinda people) that had a ton of money. In the example given, she'd made the payments for about a year so it apparently didn't cause any financial hardships. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:39:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Seong sword To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm with you, I like sword's too. As a child I used to like all movies with sword play in it...3 musketeers, conan, king arthur, kung fu and ninja movies, I loved them all, still do. I also like the real systems of sword play. I have a pair of butterfly swords I used to compete with that I'm looking to update with some newer ones. I'm thinking do I want sharp or unsharpened ones. Jye "Burdick, Dakin Robert" wrote: Ah, ok Jye. You know me -- I have this knee jerk response when it comes to sword, because it is a weapon near and dear to my heart. Sorry if I came on too strong! I've studied a few sword styles at this point -- European fencing, Praying Mantis saber, Eskrima, Hoki-ryu iaido -- and for me there's three practice methods that appeal to me: 1. Sport competition (like dry fencing or kendo). 2. Theatrical sword (like Elizabethan). 3. Classical sword (like Hoki-ryu) The attraction of classical sword for me is not "training as they did in the 1600s," because of course that is not what we do. Even with the Japanese, who are ultra-conservative in preserving the art as closely to the original instruction, every generation will introduce some change, even without wanting to. Either the technique changes, or the reason for it, because every body is different. It certainly is closer than a lot of other styles, but what I primarily gain from studying that style is practice as moving meditation (the only kind of meditation I can put up with!), and a deep connection to traditional culture, which is highly rewarding. Part of getting a 5th dan in Hoki-ryu iaido is a visit to the grave of the founder. We of course went there when we were 1st dans. I was grateful for learning the art and wanted to express that. And that made a good impression on the folks we were training with. Just rambling, Dakin _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! 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