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RE: 2 DDers in BB Mag (Thomas Gordon) 17. Re: joint locks and compliance (WTSDA Bruce) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "tim walker" To: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:30:28 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I still think the best knife defense is a good firearm offense. Think of it as adding chlorine to the gene pool. T-bone. "I love pacifists. Especially with hot sauce." --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net true. but to add on, I'd like to have a gun with enough space between the knife guy and myself to be able to pull out my gun take safety off and send them to their maker. SPeaking of gun talk, does anyone use or own any H&K brand guns? I saw some handguns made by them and when I inquired the guy said they were top of the line, didn't know if he was just being a sales man or what. any thoughts? Jye tim walker wrote: I still think the best knife defense is a good firearm offense. Think of it as adding chlorine to the gene pool. T-bone. "I love pacifists. Especially with hot sauce." _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Christian Briggs" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:50:40 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My friend owned a 9mm H&K. It was a pretty nice piece. After handling this gun for a bit you could just feel the quality of it. Shot very well...and as a movie bonus...it looked very sharp (important...goes with cool sunglasses). But, I also really like my ruger. -Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense > true. but to add on, I'd like to have a gun with enough space between the > knife guy and myself to be able to pull out my gun take safety off and > send them to their maker. SPeaking of gun talk, does anyone use or own any > H&K brand guns? I saw some handguns made by them and when I inquired the > guy said they were top of the line, didn't know if he was just being a > sales man or what. any thoughts? > > Jye > > > tim walker wrote: > I still think the best knife defense is a good firearm offense. Think of > it > as adding chlorine to the gene pool. > > T-bone. > "I love pacifists. Especially with hot sauce." > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > > > --------------------------------- > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:52:07 -0400 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, I have a great degree of respect to guns because it's quick and it's more fatal but when it comes to close-quarter fights, I put my money's worth on knife expert... why? Guns stops when there are no bullets to shoot whereas the knife is always loaded. Just my .02 thoughts. -------------------------------------- Clint -----Original Message----- From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:41 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense true. but to add on, I'd like to have a gun with enough space between the knife guy and myself to be able to pull out my gun take safety off and send them to their maker.... snip.... Jye --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:58:15 -0500 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Interesting Link Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I'm still trying to figure out how to get by on my looks. It's the wonder of the ages why I haven't struck it rich on that count. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Dennis Overall" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:11:28 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One thing about a gun...when you run out of bullets , yu can use it like a rock. heh heh. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Interesting Link Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:03:10 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Like the old saying goes: "you have the perfect face for a radio career"!!! LOL... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Stovall, Craig" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Interesting Link >Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:58:15 -0500 > ><<can make a living being a "writer for hire.">>> > > > >I'm still trying to figure out how to get by on my looks. It's the >wonder of the ages why I haven't struck it rich on that count. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 --__--__-- Message: 8 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:48:35 -0400 From: daomyer@aol.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, My best friend was a police officer in San francisco. They loved the H&Ks. The one thing I found interesting was that it was the one gun my wife was ever comfortable with. She is small and the short grip is great and still well balanced. I give them 6 hollow tips up. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:40 am Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense true. but to add on, I'd like to have a gun with enough space between the knife guy and myself to be able to pull out my gun take safety off and send them to their maker. SPeaking of gun talk, does anyone use or own any H&K brand guns? I saw some handguns made by them and when I inquired the guy said they were top of the line, didn't know if he was just being a sales man or what. any thoughts? Jye tim walker wrote: I still think the best knife defense is a good firearm offense. Think of it as adding chlorine to the gene pool. T-bone. "I love pacifists. Especially with hot sauce." _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --__--__-- Message: 9 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:58:43 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > My best friend was a police officer in San francisco. They loved the H&Ks. Just to piggy-back off this thread a bit... If you decide to carry, then please get some training. Too many people think that the tactical use of firearms is just as easy as point and press the trigger. Proper use of firearms is simply another martial art requiring training and practice. See my list of training schools around the country as one possible starting point on your journey. http://martialartsresource.com/firearms.htm Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:14:39 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray writes: Proper use of firearms is simply another martial art requiring training and practice. I couldn't agree more...proper use and expertise comes with safety first, and then execution of proper repetition,....just like all the kicking, throwing, grappling, etc....that we all do...the only difference is that firearms are "forever" so you need to be safe and serious..and learn from good people...just like Craig Stovall wouldn't go to Wal Mart to learn Brazillian JuJitsu...firearms should be learned from some competant instructors... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:21:12 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Gun Safety Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael Tomlinson wrote: Wait!!! I thought all Walmarts had McDojangs in them! Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 12 From: jay.oconnor@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Safety Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:45:25 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Gordon Okerstrom" > Michael Tomlinson wrote: learn Brazillian JuJitsu> > > Wait!!! I thought all Walmarts had McDojangs in them! > > Gordon Okerstrom Just the Super Walmarts Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:15:57 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] 2 DDers in BB Mag Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congrats to DD members GM Rudy Timmerman and Alain Burrese who are quoted in the Oct/07 issue of Black Belt Magazine! The article, "Korea's Best," includes quotes from 20 people identified as "movers and shakers in the martial arts." Sharon Tkach --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] 2 DDers in BB Mag Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:55:38 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Nice....good job guys!! Michael Tomlinson >From: "Sharon Tkach" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] 2 DDers in BB Mag >Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:15:57 -0700 > >Congrats to DD members GM Rudy Timmerman and Alain Burrese who are quoted >in the Oct/07 issue of Black Belt Magazine! The article, "Korea's Best," >includes quotes from 20 people identified as "movers and shakers in the >martial arts." > >Sharon Tkach >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "x x" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:38:51 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Years ago, a police officer gave his 2" S&W to his wife for protection as she dropped him off at the station. She then went grocery shopping nearby and upon returning to he car was grabbed from behind in the parking lot as she was about to load the groceries into her car. She hit her attacker with her purse, knocking him cold. The pistol did the trick but she was in violation of CCW without a permit. All this was handled internally and few outside of the "Police Community" ever knew about the pistol in the purse. After all this was over (hospital, arrest, conviction and etc.), She started carrying a pet rock in her purse (which is in violation of another law in California but we won't tell anybody when it's used in self defense). Mako >From: "Dennis Overall" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense >Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:11:28 -0500 > >One thing about a gun...when you run out of bullets , yu can use it like >a rock. heh heh. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] 2 DDers in BB Mag Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:54:44 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congrats to both! I heard about the article tonight but haven't seen it yet. An early birthday present eh Grand Master Timmerman? :) Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 17 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] joint locks and compliance Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:18:20 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The problem with ALL Aikido/Hapkido joint locks in Police work is not the technique, it is the frequency of practice. Any DT Instructor/Civilian MA Instructor who teaches a joint lock to a Police Officer in a 4-8 hour DT seminar is putting them in danger. Anyone who expects to use a complex joint lock technique in a spontaneous incident, and cannot do it with unconscious competence, is going to get hurt. If you want to use a MA joint lock on the street, practice, practice, practice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TNT Martial Arts-Hillsboro" To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:49 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] joint locks and compliance > Greetings All, > > For many years I specifically taught lock flow to police during my > combatives courses. > It was the same stuff I used on patrol. > I did 10 years on the cop job and had oh so many chances to use my joint > locking skills against people who really didn't feel like being compliant. > Man, that was fun! > I still get success stories from folks on the job who use the lock flow I > taught them. The techniques have also made their way into the state > police > training curriculum via former combatives students. > > Learn to do the techniques correctly and slowly have your partner increase > their resistance. > > I forget who said it but a phrase comes to mind----'its not that aikido > doesn't work...its that YOUR aikido doesn't work' > > > Mark Gajdostik > TNT Martial Arts > 503-640-8400 > www.TNTma.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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