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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. (no subject) (kwan jang) 2. Re: joint locks and compliance (steven riggs) 3. Re: The best knife defense (Jon Payne) 4. TKD Olympic Trials (The_Dojang) 5. Knife Defense (WTSDA Bruce) 6. Knife Defense (James K Allison) 7. Re: 2 DDers in BB Mag (aburrese@aol.com) 8. Re: joint locks and compliance (Michael Munyon) 9. Passing (ISA Headquarters) 10. US Olympic Trials Begin Thurs (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "kwan jang" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:01:09 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sharon Writes: <> Hey Sharon. Thanks so much for the compliment. Nice to see our friend Alain get some well deserved publicity. Her is hoping we all will run into one another again real soon. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: steven riggs Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] joint locks and compliance To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This weekend I was talking with a defensive tactics instructor of a large metropolitan police dept. in the SE. He has a background in Tang Soo Do, Gracie jujitsu, mixed styles ground work, Kodokan Judo and countless police seminars. One of his greatest frustrations is getting the department to take seriously the need for continued follow up practice of defensive tactics. They alot a certain number of hours in the Academy for rookies but after that the work becomes voluntary. Officers express interest to coming to a well equipped gym, padded rooms, experienced instructors and fellow officers to help and only a few show up. The same thing happens on the firing range. Officers appear for their quarterly qualifications and have a free day or two a month to use the range but only a few take advantage of it. Then officers are injured and sometimes killed and we wonder why. While I believe it is mainly the responsibility of the officer to take care of himself the department has a responsibility to require him to maintain a certain level of preparedness. Rarely showing up at the gym just doesn't cut it. I agree 1000%. No technique will work that is not practiced over and over and then some more. S.C. Riggs WTSDA Bruce wrote: The problem with ALL Aikido/Hapkido joint locks in Police work is not the technique, it is the frequency of practice. Any DT Instructor/Civilian MA Instructor who teaches a joint lock to a Police Officer in a 4-8 hour DT seminar is putting them in danger. Anyone who expects to use a complex joint lock technique in a spontaneous incident, and cannot do it with unconscious competence, is going to get hurt. If you want to use a MA joint lock on the street, practice, practice, practice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TNT Martial Arts-Hillsboro" To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:49 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] joint locks and compliance > Greetings All, > > For many years I specifically taught lock flow to police during my > combatives courses. > It was the same stuff I used on patrol. > I did 10 years on the cop job and had oh so many chances to use my joint > locking skills against people who really didn't feel like being compliant. > Man, that was fun! > I still get success stories from folks on the job who use the lock flow I > taught them. The techniques have also made their way into the state > police > training curriculum via former combatives students. > > Learn to do the techniques correctly and slowly have your partner increase > their resistance. > > I forget who said it but a phrase comes to mind----'its not that aikido > doesn't work...its that YOUR aikido doesn't work' > > > Mark Gajdostik > TNT Martial Arts > 503-640-8400 > www.TNTma.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Sensei Steven Riggs Master Instructor American Defensive Arts Master of Philosophy in Martial Science stevencriggs@yahoo.com www.americandefensivearts.org 828-322-6904 --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Jon Payne" To: "The_Dojang" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:46:00 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The best knife defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, email me privately and I'll give you all my wisdom as an ex- USAF SP, Combat Arms Instructor, and Police Officer. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:20:56 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Olympic Trials Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo team trials will be held this weekend at Olympic Training Center By BRIAN GOMEZ THE GAZETTE Colorado Spgs, CO August 20, 2007 - 11:24PM The third phase of a complicated Olympic selection process for the nation's top taekwondo athletes will play out this week in Colorado Springs. The U.S. Olympic team trials, which feature 41 athletes in four weight classes, will be held Thursday and Friday at the Olympic Training Center. Among the favorites are Steven, Mark and Diana Lopez, who are trying to become the second set of three American siblings to make the same Olympics in the same sport. Brothers Edward, Richard and William Tritschler competed in gymnastics at the 1904 Olympics. New selection procedures used to determine which four weight classes were selected for the 2008 Beijing Games allow Steven, Mark and Diana to compete in their natural divisions at the trials. Weight classes were selected under a points system that accounts for athletes' results at the 2004 Athens Games and the 2005 and 2007 world championships. Athletes earn points for their weight class, not for themselves. For example, when Steven Lopez won a gold medal in Athens, he earned seven points for the lightweight/welterweight division. Steven Lopez got the men's lightweight/welterweight division qualified with 25 points; Diana Lopez helped qualify the women's bantamweight/featherweight division by contributing 11 of 14 points; and Mark Lopez qualified the men's bantamweight/featherweight division with eight points. The other women's weight class is finweight/flyweight, which got three points from Charlotte Craig's bronze medal at the 2007 world championships and two points from former national team member Mandy Meloon's bronze at the 2005 world championships. The revised criteria was released by USA Taekwondo in March, four months before the senior national championships, the qualifier to the trials for non-elite athletes. Most affected is lightweight Nia Abdallah, who lost 8 pounds to make weight in bantam/feather. Abdallah contributed three points to the bantam/feather class with a silver medal in Athens — points that benefited Diana Lopez after Abdallah moved up a weight class. Her three points from a bronze medal at the 2007 world championships weren't enough to qualify the women's lightweight/welterweight class, which is where she would naturally compete. "It's fair," said Abdallah, the biggest challenger to Diana Lopez at the double-elimination trials. "I knew going into worlds that I had to get first or second to secure my weight division. Seeing that I didn't, I'm not mad or surprised." Like Abdallah, lightweight David Bartlett, a member of the World Class Athlete Program at Fort Carson, lost weight for the trials. Bartlett would have competed in the light/welter class, which features Steven Lopez. Instead, he dropped 10 pounds to compete in bantam/feather, where Mark Lopez and Cheyenne Mountain High School graduate James Moontasri are the top seeds. "This is my third Olympic trials. Every time, it has been going in their favor," Bartlett said of the Lopez siblings. "I don't want to say that people don't want to fight Steven Lopez. But maybe they have already given up." Senior national team coach Jean Lopez, the oldest of the four siblings, defended the selection procedures Monday on a conference call, reminding reporters of Steven's accomplishments. "We came up with the most objective criteria," Jean Lopez said. "You can't apologize for being a two-time gold medalist and a four-time world champion." Winners of the trials don't advance directly to Beijing. They must place in the top three in one of four Olympic weight classes — flyweight, lightweight, middleweight or heavyweight — at a world qualifier next month in England to automatically advance to Beijing. If U.S. trials winners don't finish in the top three at the world event, they can qualify their weight class for the Olympics with a top-three finish at a Pan American qualifier in December in Colombia. The person who qualified the weight class in the Pan American event would then face an athlete from this week's trials in a fight-off in April. The winner of the fight-off would receive the Olympic berth in the weight class at stake. Abdallah said she likes having an opportunity for a second shot at the Olympics should she lose at the trials. "Our goal is to win medals in the Olympics," she said. "If you can't qualify at the world division, there's some question about you being able to medal in the Olympics. Let's give somebody else a chance." --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:21:53 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Knife Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My last word on knife defense, just controlling the knife and a good punch to the face works. Sometimes K.I.S.S. applies during a knife defense. Again, teaching complex skills that are not practiced could be fatal. Some mistakes were made during the search, and it was in a closed environment, but bottom line good guy won. http://www.tacobomb.com/images/lightning_quick_reflexes.wmv --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "James K Allison" To: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:34:19 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Knife Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The best knife defense is not to piss someone off bad enough for them to want to cut you! Respectfully, James Allison --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:38:36 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 2 DDers in BB Mag Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congrats to DD members GM Rudy Timmerman and Alain Burrese who are quoted in the Oct/07 issue of Black Belt Magazine! The article, "Korea's Best," includes quotes from 20 people identified as "movers and shakers in the martial arts." Sharon Tkach ************************ Thanks Sharon! I have not seen the article yet, but am looking forward to it. Thanks to Mike and Thomas for their kind words as well. Alain www.burrese.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Michael Munyon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] joint locks and compliance Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:00:25 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I run into the same problem in the Air Force.  I train the Security Forces Squadron and unless it's made a mandatory appointment only a few folks stop in to train.  We have a great gym, padded floors, ASP training weapons and much more.  With our current work schedules and deployments overseas, I can understand their thought process of "Their time off...is their time off." Very Respecfully, Michael Munyon On Mon Aug 20 22:20 , steven riggs sent: This weekend I was talking with a defensive tactics instructor of a large metropolitan police dept. in the SE. He has a background in Tang Soo Do, Gracie jujitsu, mixed styles ground work, Kodokan Judo and countless police seminars. One of his greatest frustrations is getting the department to take seriously the need for continued follow up practice of defensive tactics. They alot a certain number of hours in the Academy for rookies but after that the work becomes voluntary. Officers express interest to coming to a well equipped gym, padded rooms, experienced instructors and fellow officers to help and only a few show up. The same thing happens on the firing range. Officers appear for their quarterly qualifications and have a free day or two a month to use the range but only a few take advantage of it. Then officers are injured and sometimes killed and we wonder why. While I believe it is mainly the responsibility of the officer to take care of himself the department has a responsibility to require him to maintain a certain level of preparedness. Rarely showing up at the gym just doesn't cut it. I agree 1000%. No technique will work that is not practiced over and over and then some more. S.C. Riggs WTSDA Bruce wrote: The problem with ALL Aikido/Hapkido joint locks in Police work is not the technique, it is the frequency of practice. Any DT Instructor/Civilian MA Instructor who teaches a joint lock to a Police Officer in a 4-8 hour DT seminar is putting them in danger. Anyone who expects to use a complex joint lock technique in a spontaneous incident, and cannot do it with unconscious competence, is going to get hurt. If you want to use a MA joint lock on the street, practice, practice, practice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TNT Martial Arts-Hillsboro" To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:49 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] joint locks and compliance > Greetings All, > > For many years I specifically taught lock flow to police during my > combatives courses. > It was the same stuff I used on patrol. > I did 10 years on the cop job and had oh so many chances to use my joint > locking skills against people who really didn't feel like being compliant. > Man, that was fun! > I still get success stories from folks on the job who use the lock flow I > taught them. The techniques have also made their way into the state > police > training curriculum via former combatives students. > > Learn to do the techniques correctly and slowly have your partner increase > their resistance. > > I forget who said it but a phrase comes to mind----'its not that aikido > doesn't work...its that YOUR aikido doesn't work' > > > Mark Gajdostik > TNT Martial Arts > 503-640-8400 > www.TNTma.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Sensei Steven Riggs Master Instructor American Defensive Arts Master of Philosophy in Martial Science stevencr iggs@yahoo.com www.americandefensivearts.org 828-322-6904 --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:46:44 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Passing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is to inform you that Larry Hartsell passed away on Monday, August 20, 2007. http://www.martialinfo.com/comments/LarryHartsell Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA International Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:41:10 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] US Olympic Trials Begin Thurs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net US Olympic Trials Begin Thursday August 20 The list of entries for the 2008 U.S. Olympic Team Trials for Taekwondo has been announced. The Trials will be held August 23-24, 2007, at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, and will be a double-elimination format. The winner of each weight division will represent the U.S. at the World Olympic Qualifier in Manchester, England, Sept. 28-30. A top-three finish in Manchester qualifies the weight division for the 2008 Summer Olympic Games in Beijing and earns the athlete nomination to the 2008 Olympic Team. Below are the athletes entered in each division listed by their seeding. * = A random draw for athletes with the same seed will take place to determine their seed order. This will take place at the Technical Meeting on the evening prior to competition. Female Fin/Fly 1. Charlotte Craig (Murrieta, Calif.) 2. Simone DeVito (Cortlandt Manor, N.Y.) 3*. Natalie Aguilar (Los Angeles, Calif.) 3*. Alexis Martinez (Pembroke Pines, Fla.) 3*. Mara Perscheid (Alexandria, Va.) 6*. Anees Hasnain (McKinney, Texas) 6*. Cheryl Krause (Fairfax Station, Va.) 8. Danielle Pelham (Bothell, Wash.) Female Bantam/Feather 1. Diana Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) 2. Nia Abdallah (Houston, Texas) 3. Simona Hradil (Los Angeles, Calif.) 4. Lynda Laurin (Austin, Texas) 5. Danielle Holmquist (Coral Springs, Fla.) 6*. Christina Johnson (Rockville, Md.) 6*. Stephanie Beckel (Miami, Fla.) 8*. Tanya Paterno (Katonah, N.Y.) 8*. Samantha Cravens (Harrah, Okla.) 8*. Jessica Pryor (Sacramento, Calif.) 11. Jade Lopez (Union City, Calif.) Male Bantam/Feather 1. Mark Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) 2. James Moontasri (Colorado Springs, Colo.) 3. David Bartlett (Colorado Springs, Colo.) 4. Luis Reyes (Van Nuys, Calif.) 5. Brian Gallagher (Littleton, Colo.) 6. Terrence Jennings (Alexandria, Va.) 7. Chris Martinez (Sugar Land, Texas) 8*. Nicolas Delgado (Arvada, Colo.) 8*. James Howe (Miami, Fla.) 8*. Richard Lee (Granada Hills, Calif.) 8*. Nir Moriah (Houston, Texas) 8*. Gus Villa (Los Angeles, Calif.) 13*. Christopher Tapuro (Seattle, Wash.) 13*. Christian Valencia (Renton, Wash.) 13*. Stepfon Westbrook (Pacoima, Calif.) 16. Jesus Armendariz (La Porte, Texas) Male Light/Welter 1. Steven Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) 2. Antony Graf (Miami, Fla.) 3*. Rudford Hamon (Miami, Fla.) 3*. John McBlair (Westlake Village, Calif.) 5*. Gary Galloway (Dallas, Texas) 5*. Jayson Grant (Worcester, Mass.) --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest