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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. In response to Breaking Videos (Jye nigma) 2. RE: Dahn Moo Do (Stovall, Craig) 3. RE: front stance - Ap Kubbi (Rick Clark) 4. Re: front stance - Ap Kubbi (Mr.Lesko) 5. RE: Headbutts (Rick Clark) 6. Re: Breaking Videos (J Hazen) 7. ITF Taekwondo in Virginia / Maryland / Washington DC (Ron Johnstone) 8. Re: front stance - Ap Kubbi (Taekwondo America) 9. RE: video clip: hapkido sparring (Gordon Okerstrom) 10. RE: TKD as a means of ruling the world (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 11. Re: ITF Taekwondo in Virginia / Maryland / Washington DC (daomyer@aol.com) 12. RE: front stance - Ap Kubbi (Rick Clark) 13. re: ITF Taekwondo in Virginia / Maryland / Washington DC (Brian Alexander) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] In response to Breaking Videos Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbHqbxyTHhc&NR=1 Jye --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:03:37 -0500 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Dahn Moo Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<<6th dans who injured a 7 year old INTENTIONALLY (he was being "mouthy"), and then injured the kid's father in exactly the same way (kote gaeshi).>>> Words can't describe exactly how "Jerry Springer" that situation would get if I saw someone do that to a kid (much less my own). I'm the nicest guy in the world, but my redneck meter goes all the way to 11 when it comes to "chillen". Kick 'em out of class if you have to, but hurting a kid goes beyond the bounds of any acceptable behavior. Maybe I'm still reeling from the story of that 7-month old kid in Sacramento that got killed execution style after they shot and killed his father. Pisses me off, nonetheless. Arresting officer: I have one question. Me (in cuffs): Shoot. Arresting officer: Why did you feel it necessary to cut his face with a razor? Me: Naw, thems wuz elbows, chief. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information which is the property of Nucor, intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized use or disclosure of this information is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify Nucor and destroy any copies of this e-mail. Receipt of this e-mail shall not be deemed a waiver by Nucor of any privilege or the confidential nature of the information. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:16:24 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] front stance - Ap Kubbi To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Kat, You might point out that stances serve a purpose and each stance fits a particular need of the technique used in the upper body. But don't forget that a stance could be a technique in its self. Rather than write a book I'll keep it short and give 3 examples that seem to work for me. 1) front stance - ask them to visualize pushing a car out of a snow bank, or in the mud if you don't get snow in your area. Put your hands on the back end of the car and push. What position do your feet naturally take? 2) Back stance - imagine participating in a tug of war. Grab on a rope and pull. What position do your feet take? 3) Horse stance - you have a barbell in front of you and you are going to lift it. Reach down and lift, notice the position of your feet? Form follows function, your feet must be in a position that facilitates the actions of the upper body. If you try to lift a barbell from a back stance you will not be able to lift a heavy weight. If you try to push a car from a horse stance you will not be able to exert much force. Or if you try to pull a rope from a front stance you will be using only your arms, and not make use of your entire body to pull back on the rope. Techniques and stances are dynamic, not static. We get the impression stances and techniques are static when we look at photographs of individual movements, too often we forget what we are doing with the technique and how we would apply the technique in real life. Hope this is of help, Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org -----Original Message----- From: Duque Institute of Martial Arts [mailto:ottawadima@hotmail.com] Hello - I'm an instructor that mainly works with kids ages 8-12. I'm looking for new ways to explain TKD's front stance, and maybe some different exercises to practice. Anyone have a favorite drilll they use to teach beginners? Thanks - Pilsung! Kat --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Mr.Lesko" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] front stance - Ap Kubbi Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:16:50 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Kat I work with children as well, I have found what works best for my front stance drills is to hide the stance for the first week or so, Let me explain. I will from time to time use obstacle courses to motivate the kids, they will have to do things such as jump then get into a stance (horse, defensive,fighting,ect..) and then do the blocks they know and move on to the next drill. For front stance I set up two balancing beams about the right width apart for all (it is different from student to student but you get my meaning) then I'll show them how to walk across the beams never telling them that it is a new stance. By the time I introduce the stance as a "new stance" they have already used it a couple of hundred times (on the beams). I'll also use a tug war game all you need is a belt or piece of rope. This I found was a great way to teach the proper width that there feet should be (to narrow they fall fast wider they are more stable ect...). hope this helps Robert Lesko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duque Institute of Martial Arts" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] front stance - Ap Kubbi > Hello - I'm an instructor that mainly works with kids ages 8-12. I'm > looking for new ways to explain TKD's front stance, and maybe some > different exercises to practice. Anyone have a favorite drilll they use > to teach beginners? Thanks - Pilsung! Kat > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:21:07 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Headbutts To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Michel, I have been told that the older Korean art used to make the head butt a specialty, pak chigi. I was told that during the occupation of Korea there were a lot of Japanese soldiers that got their noses broken from getting to close to a Korean. As a side note, I remember reading that in Scotland the most common way a police officer was assaulted was from a head butt. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org From: michael tomlinson [mailto:tomlinson_michael@hotmail.com] I remember a force study being done several years ago and the headbutt actually generated more force then any other technique.....the breakdown was headbutt the most powerful, knee strike the second most, and elbow strike the third most powerful.....this study actually included kicks of various kinds also....the head, knee, and elbow won out over all the spinning kicks in the study....don't ever question the power of a good head butt....I have seen several people dropped by good head butts over the years...most of them during our college Rugby parties after the games...but that's a whole different story in it's self..... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:43:25 -0700 (PDT) From: J Hazen To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Breaking Videos Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JN: Here are some breaking videos I saw on you tube. Are they breaking JN: real masonry, or is this masonry fabricated for demonstration JN: purposes? I have seen this kind of breaking live and have my JN: assumptions. I see no reason to use fake or prepped masonry when the real stuff is quite breakable. I can assure you that the pieces of masonry in this picture that I took are real: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhazen/285050932/in/set-72157594346553202 --jeff --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF Taekwondo in Virginia / Maryland / Washington DC Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:45:17 -0400 From: "Ron Johnstone" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr Lutz, Thank you very much for the prompt response and kind offer. At this time I will continue to look for a suitable TKD location, but if I have the opportunity I will look in at your club and say hello. regards & peace 'aye Ron Johnstone -----Original Message----- From: Mike Lutz [mailto:hapkidocop@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:19 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] ITF Taekwondo in Virginia / Maryland / Washington DC Mr. Johnstone, If you have any interest in changing to a different style like Hapkido, I am part of a school in Fairfax, VA. We teach traditional Hapkido and have affiliation under the USKMAF and KHF. Our website is www.novahapkido.com. Feel free to contact myself, Master Holcombe Thomas, or Mr. Larry Nisenoff via the contact info on the net. Hope to hear from you. Respectfully, Mike Ron Johnstone wrote: >>Hello Sirs, >> >>I am an out of practice / condition 47Yr young 3rd Dan from Scotland. >>I was trained through the Taekwondo Association of Great Britain >>(TAGB) which was based, as I understand, on Ch'ang Hon ITF style - as >>taught via Grandmaster Ki Ha Rhee in U.K. >> >>I now live in Fairfax VA in USA, close to the Washington DC area >>(where I work), and I am keen to locate a club where I can restart my >>and my wife's training, and also introduce my daughter. I am having >>no success in locating a quality traditional style club in my area, >>and I was hoping perhaps that you might have some guidance for me. >> >>peace 'aye >> >>Ron Johnstone >>Commercial Officer - DES4 >>British Embassy >>Tel: 202 588 6771 >>Mil net: 98455 6771 >>Email: ron.johnstone@bdsus.mod.uk >> >> >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard >disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:20:18 -0500 From: Taekwondo America To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] front stance - Ap Kubbi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I give them a board, like the kids break for testing. This gets their attention fast since our beginners don't break boards. Then I make them do a drill or their form holding the board against their chest, making sure the board is straight and not slanted to the side. This is also a good opportunity to talk about how important the feet are in the stance for generating power. "Power" is an attractive concept for this age. "All 10 toes straight ahead! If you have 12 toes, I want them all straight ahead!" Another one: we have tape in a big square on the carpet defining a sparring ring. I make them go around the room with one foot on one side of the tape and the other foot on the other side of the tape. You can combine the two drills. Best, Cheryl Rogers Duque Institute of Martial Arts wrote: > Hello - I'm an instructor that mainly works with kids ages 8-12. I'm > looking for new ways to explain TKD's front stance, and maybe some > different exercises to practice. Anyone have a favorite drilll they use > to teach beginners? Thanks - Pilsung! Kat > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] video clip: hapkido sparring Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:54:23 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just hands down WTF point sparring with leg sweeps. -Not Hapkido. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:11:25 -0400 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: TKD as a means of ruling the world Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dan Scholten wrote of tkd: >This Traditional Indigenous Native Art was never meant to be so commercialize and is truly paying a price for it now. The fighting is a simulation of fighting to the death with out death. In historic times it was used to decide elections of different governmental positions and the opinion was given that when this was used to choose leaders times were better than men of letters or (Lawyers) were used. My response: Ok, I have to take you to task in a big way on this post. TKD started as kongsudo and tangsudo, the Korean pronunciations of karate-do. It was a Japanese art transplanted to Korea. It was founded in the 1950s. It was never used to decide elections. The Koreans were one of the leading Confucian societies and prized intellectualism far above athleticism. They invented a great many things (moveable type, armored ships, etc.) but got their butts kicked by China and Japan alternately through the centuries. And I do not believe that a man who can kick head level is always a better choice as a government leader than someone who has been educated. TKD, especially in its native and indigenous form (WTF), was designed as a sport so Koreans could pull in some of that dough that the Japanese made by hosting the Olympics. It has worked pretty well for them, but in a world where sports champions can make millions of dollars, I think we have to expect that the law is going to come into it at some point. There's money to be had. On the other hand, I strongly agree with your statement that, "Olympic rule fighting has become so watered down to worship the clock and win by one point that it is embarrassing and boring to watch. I have seen good green belts fight better." I don't think we need to return to the old blood 'n guts days of sparring (ie. hurt the guy if you can't win, as you mentioned), but I much prefer competition by either ITF, AAU karate, or Sabaki rules. I haven't been to the AAU Karate Nationals for years, but when I went (as a spectator!), they put on a fantastic show, had great sportsmanship, and the officials were all incredibly professional. You might see if they still do great work over there -- I know the tangsudo guys used to compete and have a great time. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] ITF Taekwondo in Virginia / Maryland / Washington DC Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:51:55 -0400 From: daomyer@aol.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Ron, I live in Northern VA as well. First of all its different but one lf not?the best Hapkido schools you could hope for (no offens to others) is right near you. Check out www.novahapkido.com . I train there and after years of bouncing around can attest that you may find the greatest set of instructors that also have created a team/family training environment. Throw some serious skill on top of it and it may be worth looking at? ; ) If you really want some TKD as well I also train with a 9th degree that used to be Moo Duk Kwon but does WTF now. Northern VA is pretty much all WTF. Master Cho has us do the WTF plus the ITF forms though and runs the school with equal true fighting vs Olympic. Its Star Tae Kwon Do out in Aldie...A bit far though. Really consider checking out the HKD school and awesome team there. Its well worth a visit. Cheers and welcome to VA? : )?? !!! -----Original Message----- From: Ron Johnstone To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 6:33 pm Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF Taekwondo in Virginia / Maryland / Washington DC > Hello Sirs, > > I am an out of practice / condition 47Yr young 3rd Dan from Scotland. > I was trained through the Taekwondo Association of Great Britain > (TAGB) which was based, as I understand, on Ch'ang Hon ITF style - as > taught via Grandmaster Ki Ha Rhee in U.K. > > I now live in Fairfax VA in USA, close to the Washington DC area > (where I work), and I am keen to locate a club where I can restart my > and my wife's training, and also introduce my daughter. I am having > no success in locating a quality traditional style club in my area, > and I was hoping perhaps that you might have some guidance for me. > > peace 'aye > > Ron Johnstone > Commercial Officer - DES4 > British Embassy > Tel: 202 588 6771 > Mil net: 98455 6771 > Email: ron.johnstone@bdsus.mod.uk _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:50:44 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] front stance - Ap Kubbi To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Cheryl, From: Taekwondo America [mailto:info@taekwondoamerica.com] "All 10 toes straight ahead! If you have 12 toes, I want them all straight ahead!" Cheryl Rogers >From what you wrote I am making the assumption that you are talking about a front stance where all 10 toes are straight ahead. This is completely different than the way I was taught back in the 60's. The rear leg will have the toes pointed at a 45 degree angle. The front foot is at 12O'clock and the rear feet pointing at about 2 O'clock. The reason is that if your rear foot is at this angle you can push your rear leg, with force, giving you more forward "thrust" when you apply a technique. If you have the rear toes pointing straight ahead you will have a harder time to do this, in addition you will require a greater degree of flexibility in the ankle that many may not have. For me a front stance is about generating force forward, as a personal preference I think that the rear foot at a 45 will give me greater force. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:09:44 -0400 Subject: re: [The_Dojang] ITF Taekwondo in Virginia / Maryland / Washington DC From: "Brian Alexander" To: , Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Sir, I am a student of Taekwondo at Gentle East Martial Arts, in Washington, DC. I train under Master Howard Davis, a 5th Dan ITF instructor. Our school is located at the National Capital YMCA at 17th & Rhode Island Ave., NW, in Washington, DC., where Master Davis has taught for over 25 years. Based on my knowledge of the art, ours is a traditional ITF-style school but we practice WTF/Olympic rules when sparring. The program is a rigorous 2 hour adults-only workout, every Monday and Wednesday from 7-9pm, and a mixed class with children on Saturdays at 12-2pm. If you would like additional information, please feel free to contact me, and I can put you in touch with Master Davis to attend a trial class. (alexander.brian@gmail.com) I can not speak highly enough about the class. It is well-disciplined, well-rounded, a heck of a work out, and a good price. The class is a great mix of beginners and seasoned pracitioners, (including one student who has been studying with Master davis for over 20 years!). Most of us are in our 30s, but the age ranges from mid-20s to 50s. One 47 year old black belt recently returned after a 17 year hiatus! The work out is typically pretty intense, with a combination of basic techniques, drills, forms and sparring. The price varies based on whether you are a member of the YMCA or not, but is somewhere between $80-$100 for a 8-10 week session. We also have sister schools in the DC area, including: Master John Holloway's in Silver Spring, Maryland (http://www.gentleeast.com/) Master Barbara Robinson's in Midlothian, Virginia (http://www.gema-va.com/index.htm) Again, please contact me if I can provide additional information. Best of luck! Sincerely, Brian Alexander Email: alexander.brian@gmail.com ---------------------------------------- From: "Ron Johnstone" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:47 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF Taekwondo in Virginia / Maryland / Washington DC > Hello Sirs, > > I am an out of practice / condition 47Yr young 3rd Dan from Scotland. > I was trained through the Taekwondo Association of Great Britain > (TAGB) which was based, as I understand, on Ch'ang Hon ITF style - as > taught via Grandmaster Ki Ha Rhee in U.K. > > I now live in Fairfax VA in USA, close to the Washington DC area > (where I work), and I am keen to locate a club where I can restart my > and my wife's training, and also introduce my daughter. I am having > no success in locating a quality traditional style club in my area, > and I was hoping perhaps that you might have some guidance for me. > > peace 'aye > > Ron Johnstone > Commercial Officer - DES4 > British Embassy > Tel: 202 588 6771 > Mil net: 98455 6771 > Email: ron.johnstone@bdsus.mod.uk _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest