Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:01:23 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #279 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Breaking vids (Luther Veuleman) 2. RE: Headbutts (Rick Clark) 3. RE: Head butts and feet (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 4. Re: RE: Head butts and feet (jay.oconnor@comcast.net) 5. Re: RE: Head butts and feet (michael tomlinson) 6. Fairfax, VA (J R Hilland) 7. re:dahn mu do??? LMAO (Curt McCauley) 8. headbutts (Don Kirsch) 9. Maestas Team Challenge 08 (Robert Martin) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:30:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Luther Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Breaking vids Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Man, someone get that guy in the second video a horse tranquilizer. Or Geodon. I once had my guys do alot of breaking, very routinely, but now I just do it when the point needs to be proven, usually only once with a student. Its relatively easy to break those concrete 8x16x2 blocks, and wood is no big deal, Sometimes I wonder about those landscaping blocks that have the curves at the top, but they probably arn't that big of a deal either. The only issues I really see up there is the baseball bat. I'd like to think they are super strong, but maybe not. One neat breaking demo I saw had a guy take a nail in his hand (hand wrapped with a washcloth in it, then drive the nail through a 2x4. A bunch of my buddies and I got together and did it, proving it wasn't that big of a deal, but the wow factor was still there. Charlie --------------------------------------------------- Here are some breaking videos I saw on you tube. Are they breaking real masonry, or is this masonry fabricated for demonstration purposes? I have seen this kind of breaking live and have my assumptions. http://www.youtube.com/watchv=D3ZYFgG72Xg&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtnQlT9VIqE&mode=related&search= Everybodies opinion is appreciated, John Nowicki --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:13:20 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Headbutts To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Michael, >Rick, >The Korean connection with the head butt makes sense...back in 1969 at I'll tell a story about a "trick" played on me by a Korean instructor in Korea in '69. I watched a demo of an instructor from another Dochang drive a spike nail into a board with his head. He took his belt off, doubled it and with a few hits drove the spike flat in a board. I thought that was good demo and asked my instructors if they knew the technique and they said sure and that it was no problem - even I could do it. So . . . . they gave me a spike, a couple of boards and said to take off my belt and give it a try. Being young and dumb I did, and I had red bumps all over my forehead, and a HUGE headache. These Koreans started laughing their head off and said the other instructor was a "bad guy" and used a "trick". So after doing it the "right" way they told me the trick. Cut the stitching on the belt and put a 50 cent piece in the belt, then sew it back up. Then when you drive the spike into the board it disperses the impact on your head and you don't get the pounding headache. So needless to say I have not done that one again, but I do get some laughs from people with that story. I hope to have gotten a bit wiser as I have gotten much older :-) Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:16:31 -0400 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Head butts and feet Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read a Korean autobiography from the 1930s that described head butts as a North Korean style of fighting, and tripping or kicking as the South Korean style. The story went that in North Korea, the father hanged a rock over the gate so the child would headbutt it as he left. The rock would start as a pebble, and then increase in size as the years went on. This all probably has ties to the ancient Chinese sport of head-butting (seriously), apparently a recreation of the headbutting that bulls do. Ouch. Dakin --__--__-- Message: 4 From: jay.oconnor@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Head butts and feet Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:06:56 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" > I read a Korean autobiography from the 1930s that described head butts > as a North Korean style of fighting, and tripping or kicking as the > South Korean style. The story went that in North Korea, the father > hanged a rock over the gate so the child would headbutt it as he left. > The rock would start as a pebble, and then increase in size as the years > went on. This all probably has ties to the ancient Chinese sport of > head-butting (seriously), apparently a recreation of the headbutting > that bulls do. I would be more impressed if it started off as a large rock and got wore down to a pebble over the years from constant hitting.. :) Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Head butts and feet Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:42:56 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That's awesome...I had an exchange student take Hapkido from me a couple of years ago from Sao Paoulo....forgive the spelling.....he was an adult who was sent here to Florida from his company that he worked for and stayed here for two years to learn business and english at the local college...anywho he was a BJJ guy from the early years....we were talking about how important neck strength is in martial arts....he told me that all the good BJJ schools have all their guys find a rock and that they have to duct tape the rock to their foreheads while they work out to build their necks up....now that's what I call old school.... Michael Tomlinson >From: jay.oconnor@comcast.net >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Head butts and feet >Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:06:56 +0000 > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" > > I read a Korean autobiography from the 1930s that described head butts > > as a North Korean style of fighting, and tripping or kicking as the > > South Korean style. The story went that in North Korea, the father > > hanged a rock over the gate so the child would headbutt it as he left. > > The rock would start as a pebble, and then increase in size as the years > > went on. This all probably has ties to the ancient Chinese sport of > > head-butting (seriously), apparently a recreation of the headbutting > > that bulls do. > >I would be more impressed if it started off as a large rock and got wore >down to a pebble over the years from constant hitting.. :) > >Take care, >Jay >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ It’s the Windows Live™ Hotmail® you love — on your phone! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/mobilehotmail/default.mspx?WT.mc_ID=MobileHMTagline2 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:41:00 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fairfax, VA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ron, As a hapkido instructor I have often had students move to another city without quality hapkido instruction. But if I know a quality instructor in another art I would immediately send them to that school. It is not necessarily the art, but the quality of instruction. With that said I would not pass up a chance in Faifax to study under Master Holcombe Thomas, or his student Larry Nisenoff. I have known these two for years and have spent some quality training time on the mat with them in Jackson. Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:05:53 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] re:dahn mu do??? LMAO Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I went on the site listed. The character they are using is the same "Dahn" as used in Dahn Jan which to my limited knowlege translates as "Red or cinnabar Field" Thus I would have to think the logo means "RED MOO DO"? or the Way of the Red/cinnabar Martial/Military. I guess I just don't get it. Curt McCauley Chief Instructor Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:31:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] headbutts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I too was taught that a headbutt was a North Korean specialty . I remember Dr. Kimm teaching a headbutting class. He said because it is colder in North Korea it is common for people to put their hands in their jacket pockets. One of the first striking techniques when wearing a heavy jacket with your hands in your pockets is to headbutt. Regards, Don Kirsch P.S. Remember to roll your tongue against the roof of your mouth. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Robert Martin" To: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:10:13 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Maestas Team Challenge 08 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear all, The date has been set for the Maestas Team Challenge 08. It will be Saturday, March 22, 2008. Once again we will have it at the beautiful Apex Center in Arvada, Colorado. The junior team event (aged 15 years and younger) will be the same as previous years. New for 08 is a major change to the adult event -- black belt teams only and only 8 teams allowed to enter! This will be a full black belt team event with the exception that each team must have 3 men and two men, 1st Dan to 4th Dan. The tournament is open to all schools that practice ITF style Taekwon-do. If you would like additional information let me know and I'll get it out to you. We should have the rules up on the Maestas web site by mid October (www.maestastkd.com). Robert Martin -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 15089 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest