Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:48:22 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 14 #319 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sensei??? (daomyer@aol.com) 2. Re: video clip:circle of death (Ronnielynchburg@aol.com) 3. RE: video clip:circle of death (michael tomlinson) 4. World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships Kick off in Incheon (The_Dojang) 5. One Step Further Than Bruce S (Frank Clay) 6. RE: Korean martial arts Sensei ? (Joseph Cheavens) 7. Re: Sensei??? (Ronnielynchburg@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sensei??? Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:15:47 -0400 From: daomyer@aol.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This story reminds me of touring some schools with a friend of mine. He is a high ranking Karate fellow. We were in San Francisco visiting schools of his style. At one there was a teacher who had the style and name on the school (Japanese). When we went in there was a Filipino flag and an American flag. My friend asked why no Japanese flag? The teacher said he could not hang such a flag as his father would be embarrassed due to the war. The funny part was when my friend asked him how he studied and taught a style that he could not hang the right flag for. No right answers just asked nicely to leave. ? Dave O. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ronnielynchburg@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:21:25 EDT Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] video clip:circle of death To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net thank you sir, for your post, Everyone's journey in the Arts is different, that in my opinion is a blessing, although through the grace of God and the arts, we all get to the same end and thats at a Black Belt level, and with that come personal enlightenment, personal growth, spiritual growth, family bonds grow stronger and roots run deeper, the ART get stronger, and you then get to pass all that along to someone else, Isn't martial arts great? To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world. Yours in the Arts Sensei Blankenship Red Dragon School of Korean Martial Arts Tong Moo Kwan / Hapkido ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] video clip:circle of death Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 03:04:40 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeff,, My hat is off to you...reading this post puts life into perspective....refusing to lay down and pushing forward is something we can all learn from you....thank you for the great words...and good luck... Michael Tomlinson > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:06:23 -0700 > From: tuffgong5150@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] video clip:circle of death > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I watched the video of the guy that was asthmatic. I just recieved my 1st Dan in WTF TKD after almost three years of hard work. My challenge is that I had my colon removed in 2003 after a 2 year "battle" with ulcerative colitis (closely related to Crohn's disease). As a result of that, I have to wear an "appliance" (as I choose to think of it) for the rest of my life. (I remember asking my surgeon about any activity after recovering from surgery. He said with a grin,..."well, I probably wouldn't take up boxing!" I emailed him a picture with my brand new Black Belt recently and he said that not everyone's post-surgical life has such a successful story.) Before I started training, I explained this to my Master and asked that I not be treated any differently than any other student. Before Black Belt testing in September, I reminded the Master that I may need to make a couple of trips to the restroom during the five-plus hours of testing. He had forgotten about my > situation and commended me on my dedication and hard work. I commend Sensei Blankenship for his service to his students and the grace he gives to those in need. That may not be a tenet of our beloved art of Tae Kwon Do, but I certainly consider it in the spirit of the art. > > My point? Reality has a different perspective for each one of us. If the guy needs a breath after 30 seconds,...so be it. Sorry for the ramble. Tae Kwon Do saved my life. My only regret is that I didn't start training earlier in life. At 42, I'll go as long as this body will let me. > > Tae Kwon, > Jeff Finley > Easley, SC > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:37:10 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships Kick off in Incheon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 2nd WTF World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships Kick off in Incheon, Korea 04 Nov The 2nd WTF World Taekwondo Championships kicked off in a ceremony in Incheon, west of Seoul, on Nov. 4, 2007. The three-day event, which took place at the Incheon Samsan World Gymnasium, drew about 500 athletes and officials from 50 countries. The WTF-promoted Poomsae Championships, which launched last year as part of the WTF's efforts to further expand the global taekwondo population, featured 16 divisions. On the opening day of the championships, a trio of German females (Gerber Petra, Manschwetus Clivia and Turner Imke) won the gold medal in the 2nd female team division. The silver went to Spain (Asuncien Martin Hernandez, Reyes De Miguel Renedo and Trinidad Rodriquez Garcia), while the bronze was shared by Australia (Rebecca Green, Carmela Hartnett and Melissa Kenihan) and the United States (Akiko Reyes, Noreen Thackrey and Bardara Brand). Players will compete to clinch 10 gold medals on Nov. 5 and five other gold medals on Nov. 6. The final two days of competition will be broadcast live on the KBS-N channel. Korea, which swept the 16 gold medals at last year's Poomsae Championships, decided not to send its players this time to the three categories - the women's 2nd team, the 1st pair and the 2nd pair divisions. "Poomsae is a discipline of taekwondo that combines dynamism, accuracy and grace. My vision for poomsae is for it to be a global sport-for-all that will help create an inclusive society for all walks of like," said Mr. Dai-soon Lee, vice president of the WTF, during the opening ceremony on behalf of WTF President Chungwon Choue, who is now abroad. "Through poomsae, we can attain the basic spirit of taekwondo-self-discipline and mutual respect. I am happy to inform you that poomsaw will be most likely included, together with kyorugi, in the official program of the 2008 World University Taekwondo Championships," he said. In the speech, he continued to say, "The competition and refereeing standards were of the highest quality, such that there was not a single protest filed during the three-day WTF World Taekwondo Qualification Tournament for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games held at Manchester, United Kingdom, the first ever in the WTF's 34-year history." The opening ceremony featured various cultural and taekwondo events, including a taekwondo demonstration by the Korean national team and a demonstration of new competition poomsae. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:39:55 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] One Step Further Than Bruce S Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Consider also that the Japanese tried to extinguish Korean culture. Korean soldiers were tertiary citizens and the women and children brutalized as a part of WWII, which is where the Ryu Ha system was introduced. In fact, Chung Do Kwan (opened in 1944 under the Japanese provincial Governor Abe) was a form of Karate under Lee, Won Kuk. I think that by using Japanese terminology, you are showing a good deal of disrespect to the culture that was lost and may never be recovered. In addition, you are being insensitive to the harm that the Koreans endured. If you want to be a sensei, the call what you do "Karate". To be disrespectful and insensitive goes against the very foundation of we say we teach. FWIW, Frank --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Joseph Cheavens To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Korean martial arts Sensei ? Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:42:34 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Oh, and I'd just like to point out that whether you are using a Japanese title or a Korean one, the title comes after your name. Also, sensei and subumnim are titles of respect that one use when referring to someone else, never oneself. In both Japan and Korea, to refer to yourself using a title, whether, shi, san, kun, chan, sabumnim, sensei, kwanjangnim, etc, would be considered extremely rude. Joe Cheavens > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:53:20 -0700 > From: kingjye@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Korean martial arts Sensei ? > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > In my opinion, sensei still is not the correct term for Korean arts, just like sifu isn't the proper term for japanese arts. So basically if you teach KMA and use japanese titles do you also speak japanese in class? > > Jye > > Ronnielynchburg@aol.com wrote: > The history of every modern Korean martial art starts after the Japanese > occupation (1910–1945), and was heavily influenced by Japanese martial > arts. > These Japanese arts were introduced to Korea during the occupation or brought > to > _Korea_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea) by Koreans who had studied in > Japan. (Korean martial arts were banned.) After the occupation, Korean > masters claimed linkage to traditional Korean martial arts like subak and > denied > any connection with Japanese martial arts, mostly because of the bitterness > Koreans felt for the Japanese, especially in the first few decades after the > _occupation_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule) . > > > Much of Korea's martial heritage was lost during the 1910–1945 _Japanese > occupation of Korea_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Korea) > . During the late Joseon period, traditional Korean martial arts were not > popular because neo-Confucian doctrine advocated academics rather than > martial > practice. After the Japanese occupation, new Korean martial arts like hapkido > and taekwondo blossomed, and interest in Korea's own ancient martial > traditions grew. > Although the influence of Japanese martial arts is undeniable and still > existent, many modern Korean martial arts have diverged from their Japanese > counterparts. Ancient books like the Mu Ye Do Bo Tong Ji became popular study > material for Korean martial artists, and influenced the development of many > modern Korean martial arts. For example, Koreans who had studied Japanese > kendo > during the colonization period studied the Mu Ye Do Bo Tong Ji to rediscover > their own cultural heritage and recreated the traditional Korean martial > arts. > Historically, a number of Japanese martial arts came from or were influenced > by Korea, thus many Japanese martial arts could be viewed as having roots in > Korea. Korean nationalists would argue that just as the Japanese turned the > martial techniques of older ages into something distinctively Japanese, so the > Koreans took the Japanese arts and turn them into something that suited > their needs. Although martial arts like _taekwondo_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taekwondo) (태권ë�„) and _tangsudo_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangsudo) ( > 당수ë�„) have their roots in _karate_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate) > , > they have taken their own route of development and transformed into unique > Korean martial arts. In a similar manner, hapkido (합기ë�„) developed from > Daito Ryu ( > 大æ�±æµ�), but also with influences from traditional Korean and Chinese > martial > arts, into a distinctively Korean martial art. > I guess you prefere the term Sabumnim (사범님 / 師範님): teacher. > You see at our dojo(sorry Dojang), we use Sensei, We teach traditional > martial arts with history and theory just like most others, but if you teach > history of martial arts, then I feel that you must teach all history of > martial > arts as far back as possible. > I hope this help everyone understand, thank you for your question Sir, I > welcome comments and other questions, > Yours in the Arts, > Sensei Blankenship > Red Dragon School of Korean Martial Arts > Tong Moo Kwon / Hapkido > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ronnielynchburg@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:29:10 EST Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sensei??? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Bruce, I don't want anyone to take it out of context what is being said here, First and foremost, I never ment anything disrespecful to the Korean people or to the practitionars of the KMA's and I never said that the Korean traditions died, or were severly damaged, what was said was that in HISTORY during the Japanese occupation of Korea and when Korean's went to Japan, China, India, and other parts of the world to get away from the Japanese, THEN SOME of the Korean's traditional martial arts were lost. As a result many new forms of martial arts were formed AFTER the occupation. With these new forms of martial arts came new influences from these other countries(such as Japan, China, India, etc.), In our dojo, we have a banner that says Red Dragon School of Korean Karate, PLEASE note the last word Karate, (now i may be wrong here, but I was taught that this word was a STYLE of martial arts, and that it was a dominately Japanese style of martial arts. Now our style has blocks such as down block, upper riser block, inside out, outside in, upper x, desending x, etc, etc, Strikes - twin knife hand, single knife hand, spearhand, ridge hand, palm heel, elbow, inverted knifehand, etc, etc. Punches - middle, reverse, lunge, etc. Kicks - front snap, front thrust, side snap, side thrust, roundhouse, back jam, back roundhouse, sliding side, hook kick, axe kick, cresent kick, etc. etc. One-step sparring, Throws, Defenses agains kicks, Three step sparring, Kata's, Weapons - Bo, Jo, Sai, Tonfa, Sword(Kumdo & Kum Sul Do), Cane, Nunchakus, Kama, etc. We teach Hyung from Tang Soo Do(Korean Karate). We pay respect to our dojo by bowing in and out and to each other and to higher rank, teach core respect values set by ALL martial arts, and how to grow as a person and as a martial artist, For example: I had one student who had a speech impediment(he could not say his R's), and he made low grades in school and was disruptive in class, but after a short time in martial arts, all of the above went away and his parent said "thank you for the wonderful job you did with our son," my reply was " I appreciate it, but don't thank me, I did nothing, it was the martial arts, that's what it does, it changes peoples lives if given a chance, but thanks for the complement, it was a team effort." It is so easy for us as instructors to teach, but man its sure is hard to be taught RIGHT???, sorry everyone for using the word SENSEI as a title, you can bet your bottom leg sweep that that will change, but lets remember what martial arts is REALLY all about, its not about a title its about building character, and about developing that Black Belt Spirit, May God richly bless you all, I hope you all have a blessed and fun day, and remember To the world you may only be one person, but to one person you may be the world. Blankenship Red Dragon School of Korean Karate Tong Moo Kwon / Hapkido ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest