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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sensei??? (Jye nigma) 2. RE: Korean martial arts Sensei ? (Jye nigma) 3. Re: Korean martial arts Sensei ? (Ronnielynchburg@aol.com) 4. Re: Sensei??? (Ronnielynchburg@aol.com) 5. Re: Korean martial arts Sensei ? (Ray) 6. World Poomsae Competition results on Day 1 (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:03:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sensei??? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm just gonna put my 2 cents in. you said: "but lets remember what martial arts is REALLY all about, its not about a title its about building character, and about developing that Black Belt Spirit" But a huge part of martial arts is the art's integrity, which can only be kept by correct teachings being transmitted from teacher to students. Jye Ronnielynchburg@aol.com wrote: Dear Bruce, I don't want anyone to take it out of context what is being said here, First and foremost, I never ment anything disrespecful to the Korean people or to the practitionars of the KMA's and I never said that the Korean traditions died, or were severly damaged, what was said was that in HISTORY during the Japanese occupation of Korea and when Korean's went to Japan, China, India, and other parts of the world to get away from the Japanese, THEN SOME of the Korean's traditional martial arts were lost. As a result many new forms of martial arts were formed AFTER the occupation. With these new forms of martial arts came new influences from these other countries(such as Japan, China, India, etc.), In our dojo, we have a banner that says Red Dragon School of Korean Karate, PLEASE note the last word Karate, (now i may be wrong here, but I was taught that this word was a STYLE of martial arts, and that it was a dominately Japanese style of martial arts. Now our style has blocks such as down block, upper riser block, inside out, outside in, upper x, desending x, etc, etc, Strikes - twin knife hand, single knife hand, spearhand, ridge hand, palm heel, elbow, inverted knifehand, etc, etc. Punches - middle, reverse, lunge, etc. Kicks - front snap, front thrust, side snap, side thrust, roundhouse, back jam, back roundhouse, sliding side, hook kick, axe kick, cresent kick, etc. etc. One-step sparring, Throws, Defenses agains kicks, Three step sparring, Kata's, Weapons - Bo, Jo, Sai, Tonfa, Sword(Kumdo & Kum Sul Do), Cane, Nunchakus, Kama, etc. We teach Hyung from Tang Soo Do(Korean Karate). We pay respect to our dojo by bowing in and out and to each other and to higher rank, teach core respect values set by ALL martial arts, and how to grow as a person and as a martial artist, For example: I had one student who had a speech impediment(he could not say his R's), and he made low grades in school and was disruptive in class, but after a short time in martial arts, all of the above went away and his parent said "thank you for the wonderful job you did with our son," my reply was " I appreciate it, but don't thank me, I did nothing, it was the martial arts, that's what it does, it changes peoples lives if given a chance, but thanks for the complement, it was a team effort." It is so easy for us as instructors to teach, but man its sure is hard to be taught RIGHT???, sorry everyone for using the word SENSEI as a title, you can bet your bottom leg sweep that that will change, but lets remember what martial arts is REALLY all about, its not about a title its about building character, and about developing that Black Belt Spirit, May God richly bless you all, I hope you all have a blessed and fun day, and remember To the world you may only be one person, but to one person you may be the world. Blankenship Red Dragon School of Korean Karate Tong Moo Kwon / Hapkido ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 17:33:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Korean martial arts Sensei ? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wow that's interesting. I didn't know that. What title would you use for yourself? I would think teacher would be ok. But I could be wrong. Jye Joseph Cheavens wrote: Oh, and I'd just like to point out that whether you are using a Japanese title or a Korean one, the title comes after your name. Also, sensei and subumnim are titles of respect that one use when referring to someone else, never oneself. In both Japan and Korea, to refer to yourself using a title, whether, shi, san, kun, chan, sabumnim, sensei, kwanjangnim, etc, would be considered extremely rude. Joe Cheavens > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:53:20 -0700 > From: kingjye@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Korean martial arts Sensei ? > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > In my opinion, sensei still is not the correct term for Korean arts, just like sifu isn't the proper term for japanese arts. So basically if you teach KMA and use japanese titles do you also speak japanese in class? > > Jye > > Ronnielynchburg@aol.com wrote: > The history of every modern Korean martial art starts after the Japanese > occupation (1910–1945), and was heavily influenced by Japanese martial > arts. > These Japanese arts were introduced to Korea during the occupation or brought > to > _Korea_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea) by Koreans who had studied in > Japan. (Korean martial arts were banned.) After the occupation, Korean > masters claimed linkage to traditional Korean martial arts like subak and > denied > any connection with Japanese martial arts, mostly because of the bitterness > Koreans felt for the Japanese, especially in the first few decades after the > _occupation_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule) . > > > Much of Korea's martial heritage was lost during the 1910–1945 _Japanese > occupation of Korea_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Korea) > . During the late Joseon period, traditional Korean martial arts were not > popular because neo-Confucian doctrine advocated academics rather than > martial > practice. After the Japanese occupation, new Korean martial arts like hapkido > and taekwondo blossomed, and interest in Korea's own ancient martial > traditions grew. > Although the influence of Japanese martial arts is undeniable and still > existent, many modern Korean martial arts have diverged from their Japanese > counterparts. Ancient books like the Mu Ye Do Bo Tong Ji became popular study > material for Korean martial artists, and influenced the development of many > modern Korean martial arts. For example, Koreans who had studied Japanese > kendo > during the colonization period studied the Mu Ye Do Bo Tong Ji to rediscover > their own cultural heritage and recreated the traditional Korean martial > arts. > Historically, a number of Japanese martial arts came from or were influenced > by Korea, thus many Japanese martial arts could be viewed as having roots in > Korea. Korean nationalists would argue that just as the Japanese turned the > martial techniques of older ages into something distinctively Japanese, so the > Koreans took the Japanese arts and turn them into something that suited > their needs. Although martial arts like _taekwondo_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taekwondo) (­ƒœê¶Œë�„) and _tangsudo_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangsudo) ( > 당수ë�„) have their roots in _karate_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate) > , > they have taken their own route of development and transformed into unique > Korean martial arts. In a similar manner, hapkido (­•©ê¸°ë�„) developed from > Daito Ryu ( > 大æ�±æµ�), but also with influences from traditional Korean and Chinese > martial > arts, into a distinctively Korean martial art. > I guess you prefere the term Sabumnim (사범님 / 師範님): teacher. > You see at our dojo(sorry Dojang), we use Sensei, We teach traditional > martial arts with history and theory just like most others, but if you teach > history of martial arts, then I feel that you must teach all history of > martial > arts as far back as possible. > I hope this help everyone understand, thank you for your question Sir, I > welcome comments and other questions, > Yours in the Arts, > Sensei Blankenship > Red Dragon School of Korean Martial Arts > Tong Moo Kwon / Hapkido > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ronnielynchburg@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:27:18 EST Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Korean martial arts Sensei ? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Joseph, May I ask with true respect, where & how did and do you come to that conclusion, just so that I will know for future use, thank you Blankenship Red Dragon School of Korean Karate Tong Moo Kwon / Hapkido ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ronnielynchburg@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:32:25 EST Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sensei??? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jye, That is what character is, integrity of one's self, holding up to standards that one has set forth either by experience or by teachings of others. So with your statement friend that should have been a given, good point though, but maybe think about all that one word can consist of. thanks Blankenship Red Dragon School of Korean Karate Tong Moo Kwon / Hapkido ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Korean martial arts Sensei ? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:46:40 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > May I ask with true respect, where & how did and do you come to that > conclusion, just so that I will know for future use, See the 'sensei' entry in Wikipedia for some info or other such similar sources. Also see the entries for 'korean honorific' or even 'japanese honorific' as well as just plain 'honorific'. e.g. in Karate texts one only hears/sees Funakoshi Sensei, never Sensei Funakoshi; from Wikipedia... "... To the right of Funakoshi's precept is a copy of the poem he wrote on his way to Japan in 1922. A second stone features an inscription by Nobuhide Ohama reads: 'Funakoshi Gichin Sensei, of karate-do, was born on June 10th, 1870, in Shuri Okinawa. From about eleven years old he began to study to-te jutsu under Azato Anko and Itosu Anko.' " Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:16:44 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] World Poomsae Competition results on Day 1 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Competition results on Day 1 (Nov. 4, 2007) 05 Nov 2007 (2nd WTF World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships in Incheon, Korea) Individual Male Junior (14years~18years old) 1st place Korea - Yeon Haeng Kim 2nd place Spain - Juan Miguel Gomez 3rd place Iran - Beheshti Hossein 3rd place Chinese Taipei - Hung-Ting Kuo Individual Female Junior (14yrs~18yrs) 1st Korea - Seul Bi Lee 2nd Spain -- Vanesa Leon Pujola 3rd Japan - Kawashima Sayo 3rd Mexico - Ollin Yoliztlin Medina Individual Male 1st Senior (19yrs~30yrs) 1st Korea - Bo Hyeon Kim 2nd Iran - Ali Salmani Azarkhavrani 3rd Vietnam - Nguyen Dinh Toan 3rd Russia - Ligay Stanislav Individual Female 1st Senior (19yrs~30yrs) 1st Korea - Jin Young Ahn 2nd Turkey - Rabia Kim 3rd Spain -- Laura Kim 3rd Australia - Kyung Eun Yang Individual Female 2nd Senior (31yrs~40yrs) 1st Korea - Nam Jeong Song 2nd Spain -- Josefina Lopez Perez 3rd Germany - Afshar Roya 3rd France - Kocheida Leila Individual Male 1st Senior (41yrs~50yrs) 1st Denmark - Ky-Tu Dang 2nd Korea - Jong Beom Park 3rd Iran -- Hossinali Zarigharehchomagh 3rd France - Nguyen Ngnoc Thanh Individual Female 2nd Master (over 51 yrs) 1st Chinese Taipei -- Jui-Hsiang Tseng 2nd Turkey -- Sevgican Yalcin 3rd Australia -- Bronwyn Butterworth 3rd USA -- Noreen Thackery 1st Team Male (14yrs~35yrs) 1st Korea -- Se Hoon Jeong, Yong Seok Lee, Dong Hun Park 2nd Iran -- Alinadali Najafabadi, Akvar Forouzan, Hamid Nazarigharehchomagh 3rd Chinese Taipei -- Hung-Ting Kuo, Hung-Chan Chiang, Ming-Yuan Chang 3rd Turkey -- Volkan Yalcinkaya, Ibrahim Ucan, Adil Tekin 1st Team Female (14yrs~35yrs) 1st Korea - Kyeong Suk Kim, Na Yeon Lee, Cho Rong Hwang 2nd Turkey -- Elif Soyturk, S. Olgun Bektasoglu, Selin Sengul 3rd China - Liu Yiying, Li Wen, He Xiaoyan 3rd Chinese Taipei -- Ya-Yu Huang, Pei-Yun Huang, Pei-Han Huang 2nd Team Male (over 36yrs) 1st Korea -- Hyung-jun Noh, Jae-yoon Ahn, Myung-oh Lee 2nd Turkey -- Mustafa Yilmaz, Zeynel Celik, Murat Ezen 3rd Iran -- Morteza Esteki, Ali Barzegari, Shahram Allahabady 3rd Spain - Bernardo Fioalgo Perez, Diego Carillo Carrasco, Juan Antonio Santiago Bueno --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest