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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,200 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Pressure points (NightRider) 2. RE: Gongkwon Yusul (Stovall, Craig) 3. Re: Kwan Jang Nim (Ray) 4. Re: Shin, Jae Chul Question (Vernon Noble) 5. hapkido (J R Hilland) 6. RE: Re: 50+ (Dennis Overall) 7. Re: Marc Tedeschi's style of Hapkido (Howard Spivey) 8. Re: Marc Tedeschi's style of Hapkido (Ray) 9. RE: Re: 50+ (steven riggs) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "NightRider" To: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:00:33 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Pressure points Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, I thank you all for your comments,I've answered some of you and dwelling on the rest. Meanwhile I found a source: I found an expert in Kyushojutsu techniques called Scott Rogers His videos are here: http://www.videowaza.com/Pressure-Points-Videos/ This is absolutely the best video I've seen.. shows the points, by naming like intestine 11 & 12, Heart 3, intestine 4, etc.. points right to it and takes his opponent down. After all your efforts, I've decided to move on after I get my BB this winter, where there's a school I am interested in... Rick, I'm scrounging up the $50 for your dvd, thanks for lead. thanks for all your help. Dougm --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:11:25 -0600 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Gongkwon Yusul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net They are a straight up joke, IMHO. Just a couple of guys who want to bring "MMA-like stuff" to the myriad of Korean practitioners who already have 9th degree black belts in TKD, HKD, and Yudo. I mean really...when you've mastered everything else, where do you go? CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information which is the property of Nucor, intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized use or disclosure of this information is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify Nucor and destroy any copies of this e-mail. Receipt of this e-mail shall not be deemed a waiver by Nucor of any privilege or the confidential nature of the information. --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kwan Jang Nim To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:54:39 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Kwan Jang Nim states in his History of MDK (pages 43 & 44) that ?^?^?Actual > attempts at unification were started in 1964-1965 by the Tae Kwon Do Group, > which was led by General Choi, Hong Hee. . . . After a number of discussions > and meetings, he (KJN) decided not to agree to the unification. His reasons > were: > > (1) Unification would be under the name of ?^?^?Tae Kwon Do.?^?^? . . . > > [snip] The attempts at unification started well before 1964. Perhaps the earliest was in the late 1940s and several in the 1950s. Consider that in 1959 Hwang Kee was the Secretary General of the first KTA, the first Korea Taekwondo Assoc organization. As reported in the Dong-A newspaper in 1959, the KTA President was Choi Hong Hi, Vice Presidents were No Byung Rick and Yun Kae Byung. Hwang Kee was Secretary General. There were also several directors including Lee Nam Suk, Hyun Jong Myung, Ko Jae Chun, etc. > When you say that "most MDK members voted in favor of kwan > unification". it creates an interesting picture. How many MDK members are > we talking about? I'm sure that no voting took place and the meetings were > among the representatives of the kwans. About 75% of the MDK members, including most of the senior masters wanted the MDK to join the unification effort. As previously mentioned, Hwang Kee was also initially in favor as can be seen by the fact that he was an early office holder in the KTA, but when he was NOT appointed to other positions, e.g. a member of the central testing committee he forced a split of the MDK. In March 1965 the majority of MDK members stayed in, or if you prefer, went to, the KTA. In later years (mid-1960s and later) he would also state that he was not in favor of the sportification efforts that were occurring and that is why he decided not to participate himself in the unification. Yet in actual fact he was the earliest proponent of tournaments and hosted some of the first tournys to take place in Korea. As a MDKer I hold Hwang Kee in the highest regard. Yet it is important to fully understand the history and what really occurred, both the good and the not so good. And it does not negate the fact that we are still MDK brothers whether we are TKD MDK, TSD MDK or SBD MDK. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:05:13 -0500 From: Vernon Noble To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Shin, Jae Chul Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote: >> At the time in question, I was training with Master Jeong Sook Lee, >> who was also part of this equation. I also was with Master Kim for many, >> many years. >> > > Good info. Thanks. > > Where were you and Jeong Sook Lee located back then? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > Mr. Terry, I was with Master Lee in Pocatello, Idaho, before he moved to Santa Barbara. I remained with him until his flameout and burn. Those of us still in Pocatello went our seperate ways. I moved back to the Pittsburgh area, and eventually became associated with Master C.S. Kim and the I.T.F. It was an association I am very proud of. I recently decided that my students needed to become "independent" from Associations. I am trying to emulate Grandmaster Hwang Kee's standards, but stay away from politics and control. I feel privileged to have been associated with these instructors. I hope to learn from the many others who have had similar circumstances and want to come together for the purpose of teaching our students in the way of the original Moo Duk Kwan. Sincerely, Vernon Noble --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:16:29 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Jye: Why does a hapkidoin have to practice a particular style? What is wrong with learning the complete art instead of a washed down version? JRH www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Dennis Overall To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: 50+ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:46:47 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You know, I have been around quite a few Korean Martial Artist and they use slang just like everyone else. They also accept short titles. When I was 3rd Dan I allowed my students to simply address me as Kyo Sa. As 7th Dan, I allow students to address me in 4 ways.. Master Overall, Mr. Overall, Sam Bau Nim, or Kwan Jau Nim. The main point is respect for the art and rank. Dennis Overall _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_M ediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:06:58 -0500 From: Howard Spivey Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Marc Tedeschi's style of Hapkido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jye, According to Marc Tedeschi's website, he does not consider himself to practice particular "style". His primary teacher has been Merrill Jung, who awarded him the rank of 7th dan. Mr Tedeschi's website notes that Merrill Jung brought Ji Han Jae to the US. Perhaps somebody out there can offer more details. Hope this helps answer your question... take care. Howard " --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Marc Tedeschi's style of Hapkido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:18:23 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Mr Tedeschi's website notes that Merrill Jung brought Ji Han Jae to the > US. Perhaps somebody out there can offer more details. That is about the extent of it. Merrill sponsored Gm Ji into the US. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:04:44 -0800 (PST) From: steven riggs Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: 50+ To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I strongly agree with Master Overall's perspective on this. While the art we practice, (Tang Soo Do in my case) traces roots not only to Korea but other countries are involved as in other arts that have multi-cultural influence. When these various arts of empty hand combat came to the United States they have changed due to our cultural influence. I would take great offense that another country than the one of my birth is who I should pay greater respect toward. I believe we demonstrate respect toward a country of origin and some of the traditions but we have our own traditions that are just as valuable. If the students are learning discipline, respect for the art, respect for their instructor, respect for their fellow classmates and society as a whole I believe we will produce students with self-respect and self-discipline that we can be proud to have had a hand in their training. SC Riggs Dennis Overall wrote: You know, I have been around quite a few Korean Martial Artist and they use slang just like everyone else. They also accept short titles. When I was 3rd Dan I allowed my students to simply address me as Kyo Sa. As 7th Dan, I allow students to address me in 4 ways.. Master Overall, Mr. Overall, Sam Bau Nim, or Kwan Jau Nim. The main point is respect for the art and rank. Dennis Overall _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_M ediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,200 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Sensei Steven Riggs Master Instructor American Defensive Arts Master of Philosophy in Martial Science stevencriggs@yahoo.com www.americandefensivearts.org 828-322-6904 --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest