Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:48:22 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #30 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: korean karate (Thomas Gordon) 2. Re: RE: [The_Dojang] korean karate (rick.aodenkou@verizon.net) 3. Re: RE: [The_Dojang] korean karate (Ray) 4. Get your ITF doboks here ??? (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] korean karate Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:47:55 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We don't teach "Korean Karate" but I do have a book entitled that published in 1968 by Duk Sung Son and Robert J Clark. Oddly enough, on page one with the first sentence of the first paragraph, it states: "Tae Kwon Do is a Korean martial art. It is the art of unarmed combat, using weapons nature has given man instead of those he has picked up from the ground , fashioned from metal or wood, or devised from making chemical compounds or reconstructing atoms. Yet these natural weapons are similar to artificial weapons. For in Taek Kown Do, the hands are feet and other parts of the body are used up as weapons..." Kuk Mu I, Kuk Mu II, Pyong An I, Pyong An II, Pyong An III, Pyong An IV, Pyong An V, Chul Gi I, and Pal Sek are the patterns listed. All fairly short tuls. Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 18-20, 2008 www.gordonmartialarts.com/new/2008-0420 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:47:31 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: RE: [The_Dojang] korean karate To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: Thomas Gordon I was in Son Duk Son's organization at that time, and my instructor did have Korean Karate on the front of the business. My instructor said the reason that they used the term Korean Karate was that the general public was familiar with Karate but not Tae Kwon Do. But, what was taught was VERY VERY close to Shotokan Karate. The forms were slightly different than the Shotokan versions but I could go into a Shotokan Dojo and not have a bit of problem following along with them. But that would not be surprising as Won Kuk Lee was reputed to be a yudansha in Shotokan under Funakoshi. Koreans that I knew back then were not willing to admit any connection with Japanese Karate other than using the name of Karate for advertising. >We don't teach "Korean Karate" but I do have a book entitled that published >in 1968 by Duk Sung Son and Robert J Clark. > >Oddly enough, on page one with the first sentence of the first paragraph, it >states: >"Tae Kwon Do is a Korean martial art. It is the art of unarmed combat, >using weapons nature has given man instead of those he has picked up from >the ground , fashioned from metal or wood, or devised from making chemical >compounds or reconstructing atoms. Yet these natural weapons are similar to >artificial weapons. For in Taek Kown Do, the hands are feet and other parts >of the body are used up as weapons..." > >Kuk Mu I, Kuk Mu II, Pyong An I, Pyong An II, Pyong An III, Pyong An IV, >Pyong An V, Chul Gi I, and Pal Sek are the patterns listed. All fairly >short tuls. The Kuk Mu were forms that Son made up, I found out later he used the term Kuk Mu Kwan for his school, then Pyoung An were the Pinan/Heian forms and Chulgi is the same as Naihanchi/Teki and Pal Sek is Batsai/Pasai. Rick Clark --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: RE: [The_Dojang] korean karate To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:03:07 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I was in Son Duk Son's organization at that time, and my instructor did have > Korean Karate on the front of the business. My instructor said the reason > that they used the term Korean Karate was that the general public was > familiar with Karate but not Tae Kwon Do. But, what was taught was VERY > VERY close to Shotokan Karate. I trained briefly at a "Korean Karate" studio shortly after moving to California (1984) and transferring dojangs. It was run by an old timer that taught TKD and HKD when he wasn't running his liquor store. He had been here for ever and used the term Korean Karate for exactly the reason described by Rick. It also served as the local watering hole for all those that had Olympic TKD dreams (I was not one), so it was very Kukki-TKD. However I suspect had I started there instead of 15 years earler in Ohio & Illinois that would have not been the case. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:00:03 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Get your ITF doboks here ??? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net North Korea lures online shoppers BBC News North Korea is offering shoppers the chance to buy goods made in the secretive communist state. It has launched an e-commerce website in Korean, English, Chinese, Russian and Japanese that could help the country earn foreign currency. Products for sale include machinery, building materials, vehicles and industrial art objects. But the site appears to be suffering some teething problems. The BBC was unable to access it on Monday. Promoting trade An official at the North Korean embassy in London confirmed that the website had been launched, but said he too was having access problems. "It is a website about our economy," the official said. "It is also promoting international trade." The Associated Press news agency said the site sells bicycles, commemorative stamps, roller skates and uniforms for Taekwondo - a Korean martial art. It said the website accepted credit cards. North Korea's command economy is struggling, hit by natural disasters, poor planning and a failure to modernise. It is reliant on imports from China for a large part of its food and energy needs. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest